http://IIIArmsCompany.com

The President of IIIArmsCompany (my friend) and his presentation.

Enjoy.

 

Kinda sounds like the type of place the government will be targeting. I wish your friend luck.

 

No kidding, you'ld have a CIA operative on one side, and an FBI guy living on the other side. The smiling guy manning the gate? He's TSA.

 

So your friend is sell out to move there ? According to the link they have not selected a final place to build nor is their any property purchased.

 

remus - I agree, and I also wish and pray for his success.

felicia - if you listen to the vid it's "in progress". Apparently talks are in progress with 3 different counties as to "where" to build. Everything has to start somewhere.

Jim Miller is an determined man, and while I know very little about this project, I've known Jim for many, many years and there is no doubt in my mind that he will succeed and thrive in this type of environment.

 

Apparently talks are in progress with 3 different counties as to "where"

I sure hope Idaho county isn't one of them.

 

Certainly won't be the first time someone has attempted this . There are several groups in the Grangeville/Kamiah area the most notable being Bo Gritz's "Almost Heaven" which in turn spawned several others in the immediate area . I wish him luck but he may find that the sour apples from the 90's may have left a bad taste in the locals mouths and should expect some pushback or at the very least a cold shoulder .

 

Lets make a community of like minded patriotic Americans who are fed up with the way things are being run.

Then lets make a website on it, tell people where we are going, and invite more to come?

Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

 

Just like every survival group that recruits. Nothing but problems. That's why these communities never turn out well, either. But I wish them the best just the same.

 

sounds interesting,


-What's the cost to buy in?
-Who and How will they rule? They say Jefferson rightful liberty yet often that plays out at the expense of others,..example; Say I'm an early riser and I like to target shoot, cut firewood and 5 am but my neighbor likes to sleep until 7:30 who's right full liberty prevails and who determines that?

"American society suffers the inevitable destruction that must accompany the decades of degenerating morality of our Countrymen"

Don't disagree with the quote however, Who gets to determine and enforce morality? I have found there is no great bank of morality in one group of people liberal, conservative, religious or atheists it really doesn't work that way.

Seems too vague and idealistic to me.

 

I'd be afraid to put any ammount of money into this.

I can see it tanking real quick and someone running off with your retirement funds.

 

The barrel bushing on that 1911 needs to read " The 2nd Amendment Starts Here "

 

Bo Gritz no longer lives in "Almost Heaven"
http://www.rickross.com/reference/militia/militia88.html

 

I don't have to financially support, join, move or agree with his ideas/ideals, however I DO have to support him emotionally and hope for his safety and success.

That's what, in my humble opinion, REAL friends do.

Could be Utopia. Could be hell-on-earth. Gotta hope for the best and prepare for the worst, after all, isn't that what preppers do?

Thanks for the input.

@charliemeyer007 - Excellent! I'll pass that along (if he's not already reading it).

 

What a joke.

It sounds like they arent even aware of the latest technology for agriculture and infrastructure.

For example: Basic composting toilets? THere are many high and low tech/expensive and inexpensive options for rural and urban life....the Gates Foundation here supports research into many options into all kinds of low tech infrastructure and this past summer they had a "Toilet Fair" where they demo'd several toilet options like I described above.

 

9MMare,

I'm one of those "crazy" people who is moving to the Citadel in Idaho when I can. One of the main reasons we are posting on boards like this is to reach out to people like you who have information that could be helpful to our effort. We can't know everything but we can ask people like you who have useful information to pass it along to us. If you have any references you could share we would appreciate it.

There are many very serious problems to be overcome for a project like this to work. Maybe the chances of success aren't very good, but there are those of us who feel we have to try. Alone, I know I don't stand a chance in any major disruption or collapse. With a group I might at least have some chance.

To those who wish us well, thank you. To those who think we are doomed to fail, do you really think it has gotten that bad? Is the government so corrupt and are Americans so evil that what we are trying to do isn't possible? If you really believe that, why are you even preparing to survive? What is out there that is worth surviving for? That's a serious question. I'd really like to know why people on a survivalist web board would think that a group of Liberty oriented individuals banding together for mutual support and preparing for disaster is somehow a bad idea.

VJ

 

Interesting that you have first hand knowlege Duck.

How welcome will people of color be? Do you have to be a US citizen? Back in the 'Jeffersonian' days, women didnt have full rights....and we have politicians now *campaigning* on platforms that reduce women's rights and access to reproductive services. They sound positively medievel.

The tone I got from what I read was for a step back in time...in many ways....women cannot afford to relinquish a single one of the strides they've made forward anymore than gun owners can, IMO.

 

Lofty & romantic idea but I see it going one of two ways...scam where many put up money but it never actually comes to fruition or worse it comes to life but as a dictatorship/cult that the feds bring down like Waco.

Either way doesn't end well...

Inviting the public is inviting disaster, reserving a spot will put you on a list alright, and not just one list.....

When being a patriot puts you on a government list, its time for a new government

....now I'm on a list

 

If you're on this forum, you're on a list!

 

Best of luck to you, however... Things and people change, even in utopia. Met Jim Jones once in SF, seemed like a nice enough guy who genuinely wanted to help people. Once that plane landed in South America, it all went sideways. Glad no one I knew was on it...

 

Simply owning a condo once drove me nuts. Nightmare!

I can see how there might be some advantages if it all goes as planned, but I don't think I have the right personality for group living/intentional communities.

I also think 9mm's point about women is dead on. The last thing I would want would be to have thrown everything I own into a group situation where a bunch of guys call the shots and tell me how it is going to be. No thanks!

 

I wish I was excited about it and could offer praise and compliments................. I do admire the idea and the people behind it.

However: The picture it paints for me is a commune type living.

What would appeal to me: The town pictured is only a small part of things, a place to trade/barter goods, set up like any city with stores that provide goods and services. But it's not in a castle like setting. Every person involved has at least 40 acres and grows a crop, livestock, a farm. All the farmers do business in their town, outsiders are welcome, otherwise all you're doing is passing the same buck around and never increasing wealth. It must be on fertile land, must have wild game. It can't be a commune. Electricity, gas/diesel/alcohol powered equipment but with the means to do without those conveniences. Every power line underground, nothing above ground.

Less rules, more freedom "on your 50 acres", your place smack dab in the middle of your property. **** off the porch if you like.

It's the only way people can get along. "Good fences make for good neighbors".

 

Oh goody another patriot community. I remember when almost heaven and almost heaven 2 were put in. Lets just say the fallout is still not over. Dear ol Bo ripped off quite a few people that purchased land up there. He does not live there anymore because he was run out. Yep that right he is not welcome up there to this day.

Now many years later the daily sight of the black helicopters flying over my parents ranch is mostly gone but there are still some here and there. Yea I am dead serious saw many of them myself, almost heaven and everyone in it was and is on a watch list. The few good folks up there have other problems at this point when a bunch of druggies moved into the area. Then there are others that managed too move there. The black helicopters did not nearly disappear for no reason.

Any one thinking about some sort of deal like this you would be highly advised to reconsider. You are painting a target on yourself, your family and even your friends. Find a area that you like, do some research, meet the people in the area find out what kind of people your prospective neighbors are. And if you like it move there! There are no shortcuts there is no perfect place to hide regardless of the hype.

I have some Very good friends that are in almost heaven. After they built their home and moved there they found out what a mess they really got into. There whole life savings spent on their dream and then no way to get out because no one who has money wants too move there. Shortcuts of a "patriot community" are a disaster waiting to happen I have seen it first hand.

 

Ya there are still alot of "suits" in the area as well as the occasional Black Chopper. Lots of good folks up there, know several, but 'ol Bo "F'ed" it up for alot of people...

 

not sure if advertising for applicants is the best way ... need to scout for people with set trades and skills ... need doctors and nurses, engineers and blacksmiths ... not too much need for thousands of one skill ... this will appeal to a certain demographic which will be the people that apply

 

Thanks for all of your comments. We understand the concerns and are well aware of the previous attempts and failures of similar ideas. We are still willing to try, though.

Actually, MOA1 has it pretty close. We expect the Citadel itself to be the core of a larger community. Farms, businesses, residences, all that. There will be a range of options to suit most needs.

Rightful Liberty is our core philosophy. It is the only one that gives maximum liberty to each individual. That means NOT telling your neighbor how to run his life. It especially means not using the law to force other people to live the way you think they should. It means equal rights regardless of race, religion, sex, national origin, all of that. Ironically, it excludes from our number liberals who claim to want equality but are willing to enforce their version of it at the point of a (legal) gun. That is not Rightful Liberty.

This is a survival plan. If you are here, you probably agree with us that some type of social, economic and/or political breakdown is very likely. We are a group of people forming an intentional community (look that one up if you haven't heard of the idea before - pretty interesting) for mutual benefit. It's not based on a religious leader like Jim Jones, Waco or Almost Heaven so it doesn't have the same sort of restrictive ideological basis. It's a pragmatic approach to a difficult problem.

We are making a plan and working out a voluntary agreement between us. The III Arms Company will be the initial economic base, but more will be necessary for the idea to work. Those who like the plan can join us. Those that don't, won't. We have no need to convince, convert or force anyone to our way of thinking. That doesn't fit with Rightful Liberty. We are actually looking at a relatively small community. There may not even be enough room for all of those who want to live there. We'll see.

You all are correct that there are many potential problems and dangers. The overwhelming majority of Liberty/Survivalist types will think this plan totally sucks. That's the great thing about living in a still relatively free country. We're free to try it, you're free to think we are crazy.

The odds are probably against us. However, look at the aftermath of hurricane Sandy. The odds are against all of us, folks. Do what you think is best, but do something.

VJ

 

Rightful Liberty is our core philosophy. It is the only one that gives maximum liberty to each individual. That means NOT telling your neighbor how to run his life. It especially means not using the law to force other people to live the way you think they should. It means equal rights regardless of race, religion, sex, national origin, all of that. Ironically, it excludes from our number liberals who claim to want equality but are willing to enforce their version of it at the point of a (legal) gun. That is not Rightful Liberty.

Can you explain this further? I've never heard of this, or at least not phrased this way. Does it mean that a man can beat his wife and the community cannot step in? Abuse or molest his kids and no one can tell him otherwise?

Can people buy or sell or use illegal drugs (are any drugs illegal?) Granted, this community must abide by federal laws where such things are still restricted but some use of marijuana is permitted and is likely to be permitted more.

 

For some reason, I keep envisioning "The Governor" as being in charge of this place.

 

From 'The Walking Dead'. I love that show and I can see that too.

Good luck on your project. I've always loved the idea of a community like yours. As for us, I think we're stuck here in good ole' California because I don't think any of us can escape what's coming no matter where we are.

But good luck and keep us posted. I'd love to hear about your progress and where you finally decide to build.

 

I've been trying for several years now to get an intentional community together based on self-sufficiency. It's going slow. I've met lots of great people, but no one who is free of debt and in a financial position to join us. So... we're just going it alone for now.

I wish your friend the best of luck. I like what I read on the blog. I would love to raise my children somewhere where there is a sense of community and common culture like they talk about on there. I'm constantly inviting friends and neighbors over for meals or to hang out, but it's seldom reciprocated.

 

I've been trying for several years now to get an intentional community together based on self-sufficiency. It's going slow. I've met lots of great people, but no one who is free of debt and in a financial position to join us. So... we're just going it alone for now.

I wish your friend the best of luck. I like what I read on the blog. I would love to raise my children somewhere where there is a sense of community and common culture like they talk about on there. I'm constantly inviting friends and neighbors over for meals or to hang out, but it's seldom reciprocated.

Those were called communes and there are still some around in OR and CA, and the WA St coast. I dont see why you cant start one.

 

Wait. I just read pretty far back into the blog. It's only on 20 acres, and they want how many families to live there together?

Here I was thinking they had 1000+ acres somewhere. With the talk of a village and medieval castle structures... I just don't see how each person could have enough privacy and soil to grow food in if you get a dozen families all living there.

Maybe I'm missing something?

We have 13 acres right now. Just put an offer in on the 14 next door to bring us to 27. We feel we can have up to three families successfully on this land, and it's some fertile stuff. With 20, I'd say 2... maybe 3 families if every inch was used to its fullest.

But again... I'm probably missing something crucial here. Like maybe they don't care about growing their own food or raising livestock.

*confused*

 

9MMare,

The law of the land still totally applies. Our pledge to support Rightful Liberty simply means that we will never go to some authority to try to make anybody live the way we think they should. As long as you are not infringing on the Liberty of anyone else it's none of my business how you life your life. However, this applies to everyone, so a man beating his wife and children is infringing on their rights and defending them from this abuse is totally justified. The Rightful Liberty of all must be defended, not just your own.

Initiation of violence is a severe violation of Rightful Liberty. Defending yourself, family, friends and property against this type of violation is, as stated above, totally justified.

We will be asking everyone who joins us to obey the law. Not because we agree with every law but, as has been pointed out here, we will attract attention from the authorities. This is a survival plan. That consideration comes first, meaning we will try very hard not to give any law enforcement an excuse to come after us. They may anyway, but we at least won't give them an easy excuse.

BTW, the 20 acres is just to establish an initial physical presence in Idaho. Once we have approval our production at III Arms Company will move there. It's a big project. This is just the first of many steps that will be needed to make it happen. One step at a time.

NectarNook, I totally sympathize with you. Trying to do anything that is outside of "normal" will get you rejected by your peers and scrutinized by authority these days. Please feel free to stop by our blogs and add your comments. Even if this project isn't for you, you sound like the type of person who could make a positive contribution. This isn't a top down effort and we appreciate any constructive input, even if it is to point out something we are getting wrong.

In the end, you folks may be right. There may not be enough Americans left who believe in true Liberty and are willing to take responsibility for their own lives to even fill our relatively small town. That would be a sad commentary on what was once our Great Republic. However, we have to try. The aftermath of hurricane Sandy shows us the future. If what we are doing doesn't appeal to you, that's ok, but learn the lesson it teaches and do something. There's a rough road ahead.

Oh, and MOA1, you actually have it right. We expect the Citadel to be the center of a much larger community of farms, residences and businesses. The core is simply the refuge to be used in case of social, political and/or economic collapse. There are many options for those who like this idea and want to participate. Some will choose to live inside, some will choose to buy land outside. To each his own.

VJ

 

I just have too much of a problem trusting other people. Getting involved with that many individuals with opinions of how to survive would make me nuts. Worse than that the leadership. God know what they are like or what they know.