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Ok, first off, I dont want TEOTAWKI, its a tongue in cheek thing, I am quite happy at the moment in my push button society where fossil fuel does all the "hard" work for me.

However!

Have you ever thought of how much better your EDC could be if we could wear load bearing vests (tac vests/fishing vests/photography vests whatever) around all the time without getting odd looks from everyone? if it was you know "fashionable" ?

I'm in Australia, so no defense for me, however my EDC currently consists of the following:
-Bencmade Mini-Ambush (folder)
-Leatherman Charge (multitool)
-Fenix TK10 (torch)
-Swiss Card Lite (multitool card that goes in wallet)
-Wallet
-Keys
-Fenix LD01 (keychain light)
-Gaffa tape on a card in my wallet
-phone

If its winter and I have a jacket too:
-Zebralight H501 (headlight)
-Mini first aid kit with paracord, lighter, gaffa tape added

However, think of all the extra stuff I could EDC if I could run around in an LBV all day:
-Snacks (chocolate bar/muslie bar)
-Water bladder in the back
-Decent amount of paracord
-Spare batteries
-Poncho
-Larger torch

it just goes on and on!!

I am willing to bet that post TEOTWAWKI LBV's will be "all the rage" so to speak :) , but that will be somewhat out of neccessity, imagine how good it could be if the world was just as it is today, but everyone ran around wearing LBV's (of course most peoples would be full of ipods, iphones and hair products but not to worry, at least we could fill ours with usefull items).

I wonder if I could get away with wearing one under my cloths.. and just pretend i suddenly got fat :p (thought I think the lumpiness would give me away).

Also, i'm aware many people (on this forum at least) have an "edc" bag, but to me an EDC is something that is on my person, all the time (except for maybe in the shower and in bed), but "edc bags" get left behind other times as well (going to the toilet/popping across the road for 1 minute to the shop, going to a meeting at work if you have that type of job, etc)

Anyway, all good forum topics need a question, so heres mine:

The world is like it is today, except that you dont look out of place running around in an LBV, what ADDITIONAL items would you carry? (thought, you will probably need to list current items too...)
 

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Hand cuff key
Map and compass
Razor blade under the insole on your boot
More cord
Unlubricated condom and a small nylon bag
More cord

Here is an old post i made
I'm writing this to introduce everyone to the layered gear approach that has become very popular. This is not an original idea by me and have no idea who the original idea came from.

There is no doubt that at some point one will have to dump one or more parts of there gear for various reasons. If you fall in a river believe me you will dump everything to survive, or when entering combat you will ditch your pack to remain mobile and fast as not to get dead. The idea though is still to be prepared, we practice using the bare minimum but still have large back packs, we know comfort goes along way in aid our survival.

In this post I will cover my gear as I have set it up as a result of other post explaining the idea to me, you can alter this idea to fit your needs as I have done in some cases to fit mine.

Generally we have 3 layers of gear
First line- Survival gear, the bare minimum.
Second line- Combat gear and mission essential gear.
Third line- Comfort and long term survival gear.

I will go over my gear to help you get the idea.

First line gear is my gear that is carried directly on me either in my pockets , on a belt, or in various other areas but on myself.

Wrist Watch
Swiss army knife
Sunglasses
Boonie hat, with Para cord wrapped in the hat loops
Compass with braided para cord neck lanyard
Heavy zip lock map case with Para cord neck lanyard, MAP, Pencil, protractor, and note pad inside
Magnifying lens
Cell phone
Cravat/ long do rag
Razor blade under the insole of my boot
Hand cuff key safety pinned to the inside of my waist band in the rear, this allows me to reach it even when cuffed behind my back
$1000 dollars in cash 5 $100 dollar bills, 4 $50 dollar bills, 6 $20 dollar bills 11 $10 dollar bills, 10 $5 dollar bills, 20 $1 dollar bills ,
I carry the larger bills in a heavy small zip lock bag safety pinned inside my pants by my groin.

Small key chain carabiner on it I have
Photon micro LED light
Mag block
short piece of hacksaw blade
Pill container with Fire starting tinder
Bic lighter wrapped in duct tape with a para cord loop
Leatherman Micro scissor tool
Pill container with amodium AD and aspirin

The rest of my first line is carried on a molle belt set up like a duty belt, this allows me to walk around looking normal but still have the gear I need in the trunk of my car stored with my other gear or stored in a easy to get to location. The belt can be worn with any of my packs or Chest rigs/vest. On the belt I have

Molle Belt
Drop leg holster
Hand gun
2 extra magazines In there own pouch
1 Strait blade knife and sheath, the handle is wrapped in para cord, all my survival type knives have para cord wrapped handles so that
have enough cord to lash the knife to a stick if need be.
1 multi tool with its own pouch.
1 AA 3 watt LED light and its own pouch.
GPS an its own pouch
Hand held HAM radio (VX7) and its own pouch

On the belt I have a medium Molle pouch for my survival/E&E/ utility needs, in it I have.
Emergency space blanket
emergency rain poncho, very light and small
About 50 foot of Para cord
1 large hefty trash bag
1 travel size pack of baby wipes
1 roll of black electrical tape
Disposable foil bowl folded flat
Platypus collapsible water bottle
Survival filter straw
Water pure tabs
2 coffee filters
2 unlubricated condoms
4 fish hooks
40 foot of 18 pound test fishing line
2 Trioxane fuel tabs
1 Tea candle
1 match case wrapped in duct tape with about 40 matches
1 small sharpening rod
1 razor blade
2 sets of extra batteries for everything in my first line
Sewing needle with about 20foot of heavy thread
1 thing of GI bug repellent
1 bug net head cover
1 power bar
4 pieces of hard candy
2 coffee tea bags
3 single serving packets of gookenaid drink mix
4 alcohol prep pads
2 single use packets of antiseptic cream
1 tube of chap stick


Second line gear, this is our battle gear rifle, magazines and other combat based gear. Some people choose to keep there pistol on this line of gear but I figure that if I had to ditch my combat gear I would want to have my pistol just in case. I use several different combat loads set up to suit a different need, most people have one and that is totally suitable. I call them second line heavy, second line medium, and second line light.

Second line heavy, this is my zombie attack combat based load
Rifle , AR15 Carbine
Weapons mounted light can fit on hand gun or long arm
Knee pads
Gloves
Face mask
(Optional) Helmet

CIRAS releasable vest
3A soft armor panels
3/4 hard armor plates
10 AR15 30 round mags plus 1 in the weapon
1 AR15 20 round magazine full of tracers
1 white smoke grenade
1 hand held illumination flare ( VERY bright)
1 Weapons cleaning kit
1 Hydration bladder
2 pistol magazines
Extra batteries, 2 sets for everything on my first line and second line
1 weapons prepare kit , Charging handle, bolt, carrier key, firing pin , and retainer key
1 nalgene bottle and nalgene bottle cup
1 camo face paint stick
pepper spray
1 mirror with antenna like telescoping handle
(Optional) Advantage 1000 Gas mask, 3 extra filters
(Optional) CS or CN gas grenades
Rolly Polly collapsible dump pouch
2 MRE entrée
2 power bars
1 Mountain house meal

Blow out kit , this is not a medical kit this is an emergency combat patch and plug kit containing
1 Israeli bandage
2 clinch wrap gauze rolls
2 medical sponges
2 gauze pads
2 sets of rubber gloves
1 package of quick clot
1 oral airway opener
1 asherman chest seal
1 roll of medical tape
1 small tube of burn cream
1 self applicable tourniquet
1 set of hemostats
1 package of steri strips
14 gage angio and catheter
1 pack of petroleum gauze
2 betadine wipes

Second line medium combat load, this is a much easier load to carry with a backpack then the heavy but is still well suited to combat.

Rifle , AR15 Carbine
Weapons mounted light can fit on hand gun or long arm
Knee pads
Gloves
Face mask

HSGI Weesach
Level 3/4 armor plates
8 AR15 magazines
1 white smoke grenade
1 hand held illumination flare ( VERY bright)
1 Weapons cleaning kit
1 Hydration bladder
Extra batteries, 2 sets for everything on my first line and second line
1 weapons repair kit , Charging handle, bolt, carrier key, firing pin , and retainer key
1 nalgene bottle and nalgene bottle cup
1 camo face paint stick
Rolly Polly collapsible dump pouch
2 MRE entrée
2 power bars

Blow out kit , this is not a medical kit this is an emergency combat patch and plug kit containing
1 Israeli bandage
2 clinch wrap gauze rolls
2 medical sponges
2 gauze pads
2 sets of rubber gloves
1 package of quick clot
1 oral airway opener
1 asherman chest seal
1 roll of medical tape
1 small tube of burn cream
1 self applicable tourniquet
1 set of hemostats
1 package of steri strips
14 gage angio and catheter
1 pack of petroleum gauze
2 betadine wipes

Second line light, this unit is only a chest rig it has no back on it. Its very nice to use with any back pack and has the ability to carry one plate in the front but I don't often put one in there.

Rifle , AR15 Carbine
Weapons mounted light can fit on hand gun or long arm
Gloves
Face mask

Black hawk Recon commando chest rig
6 AR15 magazines
1 Weapons cleaning kit
Extra batteries, 2 sets for everything on my first line and second line
1 weapons repair kit , Charging handle, bolt, carrier key, firing pin , and retainer key
1 nalgene bottle and nalgene bottle cup
2 power bars
Rolly Polly collapsible dump pouch

Blow out kit , this is not a medical kit this is an emergency combat patch and plug kit containing
1 Israeli bandage
2 clinch wrap gauze rolls
2 medical sponges
2 gauze pads
2 sets of rubber gloves
1 package of quick clot
1 oral airway opener
1 asherman chest seal
1 roll of medical tape
1 small tube of burn cream
1 self applicable tourniquet
1 set of hemostats
1 package of steri strips
14 gage angio and catheter
1 pack of petroleum gauze
2 betadine wipes

Next up is my third line gear, this is my back pack with longterm survival and comfort gear., The pack is a TT 3 day pack with several molle pouches as my needs dictate.


TT 3 day pack, frame less
Kelty Extreme ultra light sleeping bag, good to 10deg
Military Gortex Bivi Bag, this gets rolled around the sleeping bag to insure it stays DRY.
Thermo lite Half mat sleeping mat, insulates you from the ground and offers a bit of comfort

All clothing is carried in a large zipploc bag that you can get from a local store , I then took green military duct tape and stuck strips to the bag to insure it would hold up
3 Pairs of Socks
3 pairs of under armor underwear
1 pair of under armor cold weather under pants and under shirt, in winter I'm all ready dressed in fleece underwear
1 pair of waterproof ultra light khaki pants (These look normal so that I can go un noticed if need be)
1 long sleeve T shirt
1 lightweight fleece sweatshirt with hood
1 pair of fleece gloves
1 Gortex watch cap

1 hydration bladder
1 MSR water purifier
Alcohol stove and custom wind screen
Wall mart grease pot cooking pot
8 ounces of alcohol
Titanium spork/foon
water pure tabs
Nalgene bottle

10foot x 8foot piece of clear window type plastic
Para cord
Carabiner

Small Nylon bag containing
LED headlamp
1 60 hour candle
3 sets of batteries for everything in my first, second, and third line gear
Bic lighter wrapped in duct tape
Match case wrapped in duct tape , 40 matches
One small metal tin with char cloth inside

Small nylon bag containing
tooth brush
Small container of baking soda
Small tube of vasoline
small vial of soap
wash rag
travel size pack of baby wipes
small container of gold bond medicated powder
1 shaving razor and 2 replacement blades
small thing of lotion to shave with or use on hands feet or what have you
a few q tips
Nail clippers
Small thing of deodorant, this is the best thing to cure athlete's foot

Larger Nylon bag containing
One block of raw sugar, sugar cone
Small vial of salt and pepper
Small bottle of hot sauce, this covers the foul taste of many things
2 squeeze tubes of peanut butter
1 single serving pack of buisquick ready mix
1 pack of salt cured no refrigeration needed bacon
6 mountain house 2 serving meals
2 packs of tuna steak in a pouch
1 pack of chicken in a pouch
2 packs of instant butter noodles
1 pack instant Spanish rice
1 bag of assorted mountain house freeze dried fruit
4 power bars
1 chocolate bar
2 packs of cheese crackers
2 packs of trail mix
8 coffee tea bags
2 tea bags
8 single serving drink mix , gookenaid
10 pieces of hard candy

Antenna for my Hand held radio, wire Jpole for 2 meter and a Dipole for 6 meter

If I don't have it on I strap my waterproof jacket to the side of the pack

Optional gear
resupply bag for my AR15 containing 8 AR15 magazines fully loaded and a 12 pack of batteries
poncho and liner that can be substituted for the sleeping bag in hot weather
Fleece insulator bag for deep winter addition to my sleeping bag
I could probably add a few more items as I needed or subtract a few
 
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I would like it if it was socially acceptable to carry a USArmy/Airforce survival knife, a Kabar and a couple other knives at all times.
Knives to me are fairly reliable tools, so even hiking with a whole backpack load of stuff, I generally only carry:

1x Kabar
2x knives on single leatherman multi-tool
1x small benchmade folder

So thats a total of 4 blades.

for EDC i find just my leatherman would be enough, but I have a sturdy folder as well, if i could run around in a tac vest I would probably substitute the small folder for a larger fixed blade (probably not ka-bar sized, but 5" blade kinda sized)

With a vest, provided your carrying the knife internally, noone would know, so noone would care :) (untill you took it out to use it, then they would all freak, oblivious to the fact the blade length on the average kitchen knife is just as long)
 
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