[sierra skier]

Without social programs America would require a police state to control the chaos of the urban environment and the outlaw mentality of the poor in the country. Social security is important because without it many senior citizens will suffer. Without unemployment benefits people who fall into desperation will resort to unlawful means of survival. Government programs are not the problem. Baby Boomer ignorance is the problem.

Baby boomers have been the worst generation in American history. Baby boomers as a generation think their **** don't stink. All baby boomers have done too much drugs at one point in their life. They were raised to be scared suburban bunnies. They allowed JFK's killers to get away. They were warned to beware the military industrial complex and they did not take heed. They allowed Richard Nixon to pull the United States off the gold standard and create a floating exchange rate system. This has wrecked our future. They refuse to see reality. All they look for is pleasure, but reality is too painful to acknowledge. America will be poorer due to their short-sighted economics. They have allowed the nations infrastructure to deteriorate while they create massive amounts of debt to go to war. They are creating more enemies.and driving us to war once again. The baby Boomer is not a human being. The Baby Boomer is spiritually an infant. They can not see that their lifestyle of excess can not be sustained and their children will have to pay the bill, literally. Just like an infant t who doesn't know the value of money, so does the baby Boomer swipe his credit card and put his faith in a treasonous monetary system. The Baby Boomer is incapable of solving the problem because the baby Boomer is the problem. The Baby Boomer will never admit this, so the young people will have to start moving them aside while the future takes over. Go Ron Paul!

I'll just tackle this one in bold.

When Nixon pulled us off the gold standard most baby boomers were not even of voting age and I had not even had an opportunity to vote in a national election until 1972.

So yeah, the problems of the world are all direct related to the Boomers. We can't solve problems, we have no idea what money is, we are all ignorant, I was 11 or 12 when JFK was killed, but WE LET HIS KILLERS GET AWAY,,,,,

YOU need to check out your resources and rant about truthful things rather than just ramble on and throw blame where it is incorrect.

I am by no means a scared suburbanite nor was I raised to be a scared suburbanite. I probably have more desert, ocean, wilderness and mountains in me than you will ever have.

So instead of throwing a big rant about what YOU THINK we did wrong, why don't you TELL US WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO FIX THE WORLD.

 

[Lono]

I relate to some of what Red and Sierra are saying. I thought about opting out of S.S. for a minute. If it were possible. But, I've decided I may as well be the life sucking A-hole all the boomer hater's on here talk about.

You're not an a-hole. As for any boomer haters, the tards can smoke Coach Johnson.

 

[53convert]

Without social programs America would require a police state to control the chaos of the urban environment and the outlaw mentality of the poor in the country. Social security is important because without it many senior citizens will suffer. Without unemployment benefits people who fall into desperation will resort to unlawful means of survival. Government programs are not the problem. They allowed JFK's killers to get away. They were warned to beware the military industrial complex and they did not take heed. They allowed Richard Nixon to pull the United States off the gold standard and create a floating exchange rate system. The baby Boomer is not a human being. The !

I would point out that the stuff you are blameing on the boomers actually were started by the greatest generation and not the boomers.............

 

[53convert]

I'll just tackle this one in bold.

When Nixon pulled us off the gold standard most baby boomers were not even of voting age and I had not even had an opportunity to vote in a national election until 1972.

So yeah, the problems of the world are all direct related to the Boomers. We can't solve problems, we have no idea what money is, we are all ignorant, I was 11 or 12 when JFK was killed, but WE LET HIS KILLERS GET AWAY,,,,,

YOU need to check out your resources and rant about truthful things rather than just ramble on and throw blame where it is incorrect.

I am by no means a scared suburbanite nor was I raised to be a scared suburbanite. I probably have more desert, ocean, wilderness and mountains in me than you will ever have.

So instead of throwing a big rant about what YOU THINK we did wrong, why don't you TELL US WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO FIX THE WORLD.

My point also..it was the great generation that went to sleep and started this crap.
It was the great generation that allowed the Korean conflict.
It was the great generation that let the killers of JFK get awasy ( I actually believe it was only one)
It was the great generation that put Johnson in and let the great society get started.
It was the great generation that started all this welfare stuff.
It was the great generation that started the war on drugs.

need I go one

Oh yeah it was the great generation that elected Carter too

 

[tdawg75]

Mitt has a group of super pac that has spent over 10 million dollars in Florida alone to get him elected. The major news media have worked non-stop trying to convince us that Mitt is the man. He is buying the office of the president and the sheeple are backing that effort. What a stupid bunch of sheeple! If I were wealthy and I donated millions of dollars to see Peter Pan elected you can bet your axx that I expect some return on my investment. If I did not then I would be too stupid to have been wealthy to begin with! Just something for the sheep to think about!

so, if someone excercises their free will and votes for the candidate of their choice, and that candidate isnt the one you are rooting for they are "stupid sheeple"? if anyone can be considered sheeple just blindly following someone it is definitely the rp crowd. no doubt about it.

dear lord ill be glad when this election cycle is over so the arrogance peddlers will go away for a while.

 

[RedWoods]

At the start of 2011 I also got tired of supporting the huge entitlement crowd and clueless politicians that hand it out. I cut my 2011 taxable income to less than 1/14 of previous years and hope to get it below $10k from now on. If it isn't in an IRA,401k or other tax advantaged investments I put it into a trust and will give it away to things I believe in.

There seems to be a lot of us that are tired of paying for others and cutting income and enjoying it.:thumb:

Red

I too could do fine without my SS check but will take that money for further investment when the time comes that I can collect. Being prudent through the years even with a family and some of the amenities offered by technology we have been prudent and saved for our retirement. It ma not be plush but will be comfortable enough to enjoy.

This last summer I kind of took off from the construction work I usually do, so I could reduce my tax rates because I am tired of supporting illegals, generational welfare collectors and many of the failed programs sponsored by the government with our tax dollars.
Fraud, corruption and graft are rampart and I no longer wish to support this turmoil with my hard earned dollars. In the near future I will be doing whatever I can to reduce the $s paid into the taxes that are spent so frivolously.

If for some reason TPTB turned things around and spending became responsible again I would probably change my views but I feel there is little chance of that happening.

 

[NotARoleModel]

This is a typical baby Boomer-influenced point of view. A baby Boomer plays the game even at the cost of their values. Without values who are you? A baby Boomer just goes along to get along. They believe in the power of corruption over a fight for principle. That's why Mitt Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich suck. But Santorum is the worst. Go Ron Paul!

Ah yes ... altruism. If one has "values" then politics is the last place you will find them.

You can call it a view all you want ... it's really a fact of life in that game. You want to change the game? Change the rules. Until that happens if you want to play, you need someone to pay. It is that simple.

Ron Paul isn't using any campaign contributions?

What, exactly, in all the years Ron Paul has been in congress has he accomplished? What landmark legislation has he authored and shephered through Congress into law?

Seems to me that Chris Christie has accomplished more in one state in less than two years ............

 

[Lono]

Without social programs America would require a police state to control the chaos of the urban environment and the outlaw mentality of the poor in the country. Social security is important because without it many senior citizens will suffer. Without unemployment benefits people who fall into desperation will resort to unlawful means of survival. Government programs are not the problem. Baby Boomer ignorance is the problem.

Baby boomers have been the worst generation in American history. Baby boomers as a generation think their **** don't stink. All baby boomers have done too much drugs at one point in their life. They were raised to be scared suburban bunnies. They allowed JFK's killers to get away. They were warned to beware the military industrial complex and they did not take heed. They allowed Richard Nixon to pull the United States off the gold standard and create a floating exchange rate system. This has wrecked our future. They refuse to see reality. All they look for is pleasure, but reality is too painful to acknowledge. America will be poorer due to their short-sighted economics. They have allowed the nations infrastructure to deteriorate while they create massive amounts of debt to go to war. They are creating more enemies.and driving us to war once again. The baby Boomer is not a human being. The Baby Boomer is spiritually an infant. They can not see that their lifestyle of excess can not be sustained and their children will have to pay the bill, literally. Just like an infant t who doesn't know the value of money, so does the baby Boomer swipe his credit card and put his faith in a treasonous monetary system. The Baby Boomer is incapable of solving the problem because the baby Boomer is the problem. The Baby Boomer will never admit this, so the young people will have to start moving them aside while the future takes over. Go Ron Paul!

Spoken like a true pseudo-intellectual troll.

Welcome to the forum self absorbed delusional POS.

You state above that "the baby boomer is not a human being" - I think you'd be way happier on a Zombie - Mall Ninja forum with the other kids.

 

[thatgeorge]

Insulting

It is unfortunate to all that this thread was unable to die 9 days ago.

16 pages later and I have learned two things. The OP was inconsiderate regarding an older generations problems and a lot of posters are inconsiderate regarding a younger generations problems.

Also, it is apparent that using generational stereotypes to insult someone is insulting to everyone of that generation, regardless of whether they apply to that person.

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On the Ron Paul issue, here is the vibe that I get. Some people do not like Ron Paul because he wants to cut entitlements but these same people do not like Obama because he wants to increase entitlements. Instead these people like Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich because they are for the status quo. This is an understandable position. I mean, we're not doing terribly bad as a country currently. Just not great like we once were.

As far as Social Security goes, my understanding is that by definition Social Security has always been the current generation contributing some amount of monetary support to the previous generation after the previous generation can no longer use their labor to support themselves. However, recently the cost of living is higher as compared to compensation for labor than in previous years. Though you could argue that the reason the cost of living is higher is because our standard of living has increased.

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As far as who I am voting for: In the primaries I am going to vote for Ron Paul and then in the general election (after Mitt Romney has been nominated as the Republican candidate) I am going to vote for Barak Obama. Why? Because I am hoping that in 4 years we have a republican candidate who believes in keeping US troops in the US when we are not at war. However, if Mitt Romney is elected he will automatically get to run for reelection for the Republican party 4 years from now which means that I will have to wait 8 years for a potential candidate instead of 4 years. You could say that I am a military conservative where as Mitt Romney is a military liberal. I am probably a military conservative because I do not like the idea of killing people.

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Spend Less, Save More.
~George

 

[Branned]

Bashing the older citizens because they "selfish"....

sounds like a true 99% dim bulb.

"Bashing the older citizens." (aka anyone over 30)!

This statement sounds like the 1960's Hippie Generation (who are also baby boomers)?

PS, I am a baby boomer and this is a selfish generation and always has been.....Sorry just Intellectual honesty!

 

[deltat]

The people on this blog scare me. The Op publishes a poll which compares age group to candidate and WW3 begins. We are absolutely not a united people, shakes head. Ron Paul IS an enemy to the boomers. They want SS and disability...dah! It doesn't matter to them that this country is bankrupt, they think things will continue as they have. Vote for whoever and when the sky falls, then what? What are you doing posting on a website like this...then voting for more of the same who got us here?

I rarely visit this site because of crap like this, its simply irrelevant.

 

[The Truth]

Mabye we should persecute the Boomers just as Hitler persecuted the gypsys and Jews?

That'll at least make a dent in the problem.

 

[aramchek]

The WWII generation built up the US, the Boomers sold it out and mortgaged the future. We're seeing the first generation that left the nation a worse place for the next generation. But I agree, it's hard to blame all Boomers. They were the first (and only) generation to grow up with TV controlled by a handful of m.i.c. monopolies, and tightly framed world-views and either-or options (left/right, divide-and-conquer). Today, at least, we have independent programming, blogs, forums, etc. It may just be that the current mafia-in-charge are mostly Boomer age.

But like I suggested in another thread, I don't believe that voting will change anything. Certainly not Ron Paul, hero-worship or singular candidates. We had Jesse Ventura here in Minnesota, but when you have all Demopublicans or Republicrats in the legislature, the ability of the executive to get anything done is hopeless. There's a huge monied establishment that will be there permanently.

The key, I think, is how we earn and spend money. And maybe my situation is unusual, but most Boomers I see spend money like it's going out of style, buy mostly retail instead of antique/vintage/thrift, etc. And many X-Gen people I know are far more frugal, out of necessity, since we were the first generation to complete downwardly with the third world throughout our careers. And I've seen a lot of Boomers with a head-in-sand atittude. I recall a Boomer co-worker wondering why I commuted so far, and didn't simply buy a house closer in. This was at the height of the real estate bubble, with $300K starting homes. Was that guy sober? If I followed advice of his, I'd be at least $100K underwater right now, he and people his age are clueless. They bought nice homes for $80K and paid them off a decade ago.

 

[NotARoleModel]

My point also..it was the great generation that went to sleep and started this crap.
It was the great generation that allowed the Korean conflict.
It was the great generation that let the killers of JFK get awasy ( I actually believe it was only one)
It was the great generation that put Johnson in and let the great society get started.
It was the great generation that started all this welfare stuff.
It was the great generation that started the war on drugs.

need I go one

Oh yeah it was the great generation that elected Carter too

Facts, schmacts.

What fun are facts when it is far easier to afix blame instead of working on solutions for your own lot in life?

"Hey look over there ..... boomers did it".

Utter tripe.

 

[sierra skier]

The WWII generation built up the US, the Boomers sold it out and mortgaged the future. We're seeing the first generation that left the nation a worse place for the next generation. But I agree, it's hard to blame all Boomers. They were the first (and only) generation to grow up with TV controlled by a handful of m.i.c. monopolies, and tightly framed world-views and either-or options (left/right, divide-and-conquer). Today, at least, we have independent programming, blogs, forums, etc. It may just be that the current mafia-in-charge are mostly Boomer age.

But like I suggested in another thread, I don't believe that voting will change anything. Certainly not Ron Paul, hero-worship or singular candidates. We had Jesse Ventura here in Minnesota, but when you have all Demopublicans or Republicrats in the legislature, the ability of the executive to get anything done is hopeless. There's a huge monied establishment that will be there permanently.

The key, I think, is how we earn and spend money. And maybe my situation is unusual, but most Boomers I see spend money like it's going out of style, buy mostly retail instead of antique/vintage/thrift, etc. And many X-Gen people I know are far more frugal, out of necessity, since we were the first generation to complete downwardly with the third world throughout our careers. And I've seen a lot of Boomers with a head-in-sand atittude. I recall a Boomer co-worker wondering why I commuted so far, and didn't simply buy a house closer in. This was at the height of the real estate bubble, with $300K starting homes. Was that guy sober? If I followed advice of his, I'd be at least $100K underwater right now, he and people his age are clueless. They bought nice homes for $80K and paid them off a decade ago.

What are you smoking again? If I was any more frugal my wife would throw me out yet I see plenty of younger folks running around with all the latest phones and hi tec gear. You need to get your head on straight and do your homework before you spout untrue garbage.

 

[RedWoods]

You should work on how easy you get scared. Things aren't falling apart yet. And this discussion is surely not WW3! Why on earth do you think this discussion of peoples beliefs are "simply irrelevant" ? There are a lot of smart people here with different ideas and I appreciate all opinions even if I disagree 100% with them. A good leader never surrounds themselves with yes men unless they want a fast track to failure.

You are sure wrong about ALL baby boomers thinking Ron Paul is a boomer enemy. I think Paul is the only guy running that would shake up this doomed system but I don't expect voters to change.

When the candidates are spending tens of millions to influence the voters and it shows results there is no hope! People don't want to go against the slick mainstream plastic candidates pushed into the front because they want to win. It's to bad the reality of what they believe is winning is losing. Changing direction seems impossible for the great herd.

No matter. When the sky falls I am well protected from falling pieces and have a soft cushy chair to relax while watching people learn the hard way.

Red

The people on this blog scare me. The Op publishes a poll which compares age group to candidate and WW3 begins. We are absolutely not a united people, shakes head. Ron Paul IS an enemy to the boomers. They want SS and disability...dah! It doesn't matter to them that this country is bankrupt, they think things will continue as they have. Vote for whoever and when the sky falls, then what? What are you doing posting on a website like this...then voting for more of the same who got us here?

I rarely visit this site because of crap like this, its simply irrelevant.

 

[Branned]

The people on this blog scare me. .

You scare easy? The Democrats/RINO's spending all of us into the 3rd World scare me:

 

[Lono]

Exactly. I view SS as a nice bonus if it's still around when I retire, but it cannot, will not, be the foundation of my retirement. The traditional investments I have (401k, IRA, real estate), the accumulation of precious metals, and plain old saving of cash will be the only things I can hope to be there. A SS check will be a unexpected surprise.

The dreadful thing to think about is: if SS isn't around, will the country have collapsed already, rendering my other retirement plans moot?

Yes. GOOD let it burn to the ground and let's start over. Break up the Union. END THE USSA and start over. If people won't listen to reason or do basic math they deserve what they get which in this case is nothing but false promises and hyperinflation.

IMHO, Dead is right: "The dreadful thing to think about is: if SS isn't around, will the country have collapsed already, rendering my other retirement plans moot?"

gearguy68 is wrong: GOOD let it burn to the ground and let's start over. Break up the Union. END THE USSA and start over.

I'm not ready to "let it burn to the ground". A lot of good would go down with it, and maybe you. This can be fixed. The problem is, the fuknut people in power (as always through time, just witness the once great Roman empire) want to rob the system blind. . . which they can because not only are they the rule breakers, they are the rule makers and jailers. They will not persecute their own. Now and then they'll throw one of their own to the wolves (Bernie POS Madoff, who didn't hide his theft well enough) to keep up the appearance of being on top of things.

I could almost agree with gearguy68, except we are not at that tipping point, YET. This can be fixed. I don't know how, but we have the resources in this country and ability to turn this sinking ship around and draw a line in the sand. We are fast becoming the United Socialist States of Amerika as gearguy noted - MD, Kookifornia, NJ, MA, IL, Conn, NY, etc, etc. Maybe the States who still abide by the Constitution and Bill of Rights are the place to start to turn this around. This is the United States and not the United Federal . . . yet.

Now wake up one morning and find a declared bank holiday, no plastic working in the ATMs, National Guard taking up positions at major road intersections, TV running government programing saying this is a State of Emergency with suspension of Constitutional rights . . . THEN all bets will be off.

 

[twyggy]

Ron Paul is keeping himself from getting elected. He is bat %$# crazy. 0% tax... really Paul... really. What are you going to do trade pelts to China to pay off the debt?

Zero percent INCOME tax. Do you know what percentage of our GDP comes from income tax?

 

[Mr2005]

So why not just kill all the baby boomers according to you its justified.

The reality is boomers ( the ones i cross paths with, parents included) have a sense of entitlement as bad as any lifelong welfare recepiant. Everyone else be damned, they want their check SS check. Disregard the fact that future generations will have to face the debt legacy they leave behind due to their lack of prudence.