[kris704th]

Here is the break down of how many votes Ron Paul got in Iowa based on the age of the voters against the other candidates.

http://i.imgur.com/KOTbN.png

Age 17-24 50%
Age 25-29 45%
Age 30-39 35%

If they were just counting the votes of the people under 40 Ron Paul would have easily won.

Age 40-49 17%
Age 50-64 15%
Age 65 and older 11%

The older they are and closer to getting those the Social Security checks they more they dislike Ron Paul who believes in self sufficiency instead of big government entitlement programs. Basically the baby boomers are keeping the corruption in Washington going on for their own benefit. They would rather vote for corrupt politicians who will pay out the most money to them then vote for the only honest and decent candidate Ron Paul.

The baby boomers are simply too selfish and entitled to vote for a candidate with morals. Judging by the votes of the younger crowd you can tell they are fed up.

Both parties are funded by greedy bankers and wall st. scammers but it's the baby boomers who are keeping the corrupt Republican party going and then you have all the ghetto blacks, barrio latinos, trailer trash whites, gays and druggies who keep the corrupt Democrats going.


America has been taken over by parasites. Money grubbing criminal bankers and wall street scammers, greedy entitled baby boomers, welfare collectors and freaks. If normal middle class people were in control Ron Paul would be president.

BS!!!! We PAID all those yeeeaars into a system that we were FORCED into by the Gov because it was said that we were too dumb to save. WHERE IS OUR $$$$$$$$ ?????? My ex died just one month before he turned 65, never drew a dime. He was a veterinarian so he *contributed* extensively all those years he worked. I only started drawing Survivors Benefits which is only 70% which only began not even 2 yrs ago. There is NO WAY that I will draw more than what he paid into for all those years and now you call me an entitlest ? I am SOoo insulted!!! I have a choice of drawing EITHER from my ex or mine .. whichever is higher .. not both even though I PAID TOO!!

What has bankrupted the system is the Gov with their sticky hands sending OUR $$$$ elsewhere and to people who never contributed a dime getting it now

 

[kris704th]

The people who will soon be going on Social Security will be collecting far more than they paid in. The average Social Security recipient got $1177 a month in 2011. Thats 14,124 a year. No way were they taking that much out of their paychecks.

So let's say a person retires in their mid sixties, most of them can probably expect to live to their mid 80's so they will be collecting for a minimum of 20 years so that's (not counting the yearly raises they get) 14,124 x 20 = $242,480 in Social Security money they will get. There is no way in hell they paid almost a quarter of a million to social security when they were working. Thats not even counting Medicare. The average Medicare costs are projected to be $161,000 for every male and $181,000 for every female.

There is no way that this whole Ponzi scheme can continue with an honest banking system. So the selfish baby boomers are willing to vote for criminal banker financed corrupt candidates who will continue to allow them to cause inflation by cranking out trillions of dollars in monopoly money to finance the massive government entitlement programs they are on.

This is causing the destruction of the middle class in America. But I guess the baby boomers don't care about all the young people who will are going to have to live in poverty to pay the baby boomer's debts.

If it wasn't for the baby boomers Ron Paul would easily win over all the other Republican candidates and then he would easily defeat Obama.

But no, millions and millions of needy baby boomers going on the dole need mega $$$$ ASAP (money which we don't have) so lets get some crooked banker bought scumbag Republican elected and lets keep cranking out fake money while the greedy bankers take a cut of the cash for themselves.

No way a troll like Newt Gringrich or a Wall St. Sleazeball like Mitt Romney would ever elected if it wasn't for the baby boomers.

You are so full of crap that I bet your eyes are BROWN! DO THE MATH bubba!! However much was TAKEN from our checks starting back in the early 1960's, and what we can get now ??? How many have died before they turned 65 yrs .. Gov KEPT the $$$$$ It should BE THERE WITH INTEREST!!!!

 

[kris704th]

You do know I played by the rules all of my life and SS was deducted from my checks and paid as part of my self employment taxes. SS is NOT an entitlement, it is an INSURANCE BENEFIT that was paid for through premiums over a LIFETIME.

Quit slamming boomers because we happened to live in one of the greatest booms in technology, global corporate growth (and control) and greedy politicians.

The combination of Global Corporate control and Corrupt Politicians are where the problems lay. The power has been taken from the the peoples hands through fraud, corruption and graft.

What exactly are you doing to help correct the situation?

Don't forget that we gave birth to these youngsters who call us entitlests? Boy .. some of us should have used better birth control :thumb:

 

[kris704th]

What kind of government do you expect to get when you have millions and millions of entitled and selfish aging obese and unhealthy American's signing up for massive government entitlement programs that cost the US government about $400,000 for each person in money the government doesn't have. These people are predominantly white and conservative and dominate the Republican party.

VS

A liberal party that caters to an entitled class of slackers and promotes socialism and big government entitlement programs that costs money the US government doesn't have.

You get a corrupt increasingly socialist government that is only sustainable through financial and banking subterfuge and massive money printing and the inflation that follows it.

While this benefits the baby boomers and other government entitlement benefit recipients the inflation, corruption and increasing government control is destroying the standard of living for younger middle class Americans.

The economic outlook for America would be now where near as bleak if it wasn't for the coming tidal wave of government entitlement seeking baby boomers.

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and everyone has known this for a long time. Everyone knows there is no money that has been set aside. However I do believe people are should get back the money the were forced to put into it. The average Social Security recipient got $1177 a month last year the vast majority of people on Social Security get far more than they paid into it and that is a form of welfare.

As Ron Paul says "Social Security is unconstitutional" and wants to free younger Americans from paying into this massive fraud. He plans to take care of the elderly with money saved by cutting back the military.

No way in hell has an average social security collector put in enough to collect $1177 a month or $14,121 a year in benefits.

Yeah .. I remember that thread where I stated some need to be told .. or least be more responsible for their health. I for one am NOT OVERWEIGHT ! Your answer was ???? RIIIIGHT .. If people want to be fat .. it's their choice? let obesity continue to plague or Nation and co$t tremendously in years to come.

I notice FAAARRRRRR too many youngsters probably your age and younger OBESE .. Too much time sitting in front of a 'puter playing video games. How many my age drafted .. FOUGHT for this Country. You are SOoooo disrespectful on so many platforms .. sad

 

[kris704th]

IMO Social Security is an EASY FIX .. just make the Government put it back the way it was set up .. in other words MAKE the Gov get their grubby fingers out of it, stop funding other programs that never paid into it :thumb: It has only been the past year that it has paid out more than it took in .. that would be LESS JOBS contributing .. why? Could that ALSO be due to Gov NAFTA allowing jobs go overseas? Illegals crossing our borders and the Gov wants them covered with SS too? :xeye:

 

[kris704th]

No why would I? I love to debate. None of you can refute my arguments. Most of you responding are probably just a bunch of broke baby boomers with the gimme gimmes.

Broke baby boomers living on the dole on the Soc Sec are why criminal bankers and corrupt politicians will stay in power. They need and benefit from the corruption.

Their lives are funded by taking away money from the working people. They want that.... what is it this year....$1250? a month pay out.

The US government is broke. Only banking and financial subterfuge and money printing can keep those checks rolling out. No reform of the financial system can happen because millions of baby boomers are living off the corruption.

The whole system can't be scrapped because of all those greedy and selfish baby boomers who were too stupid to save for their own retirement ( I bet alot of them owe thousands in credit card debt) They were too selfish and greedy so many of them are now old and broke.

You can see by all the young voters who voted for Ron Paul that they are sick and tired of the B.S.

We are sick of YOUR BS!!!

 

[kris704th]

You want us to refute you putting all people of certain ages or races in groups?

Sure, no problewm, Mrs Duke, you showed nothing but uselss categories that YOU decided caused the problem,....how dare elderly people want back in the system what they paid in....oh the humanity of that

You are a whiote sheltered suburbanite whose mommy and daddy gave them e verything....we do not need to counter your blabble

You can't fix stupid

I am white too .. I am sooooo sorry that Wayfara he/she turned this racial .. because it isn't a racial issue.

 

[kris704th]

Sorry but most ghetto blacks, barrio latinos and trailer trash whites live parasitic lifestyles and are either on Section 8, welfare, food stamps, wic or some other government entitlement program and due to their dependence on government they can't be relied on to vote for someone not corrupt because they must vote for whoever is willing to support them financially from the government treasury.

A person who lives off Social Security is also dependent on the government and will have to vote for the candidate who will give them the most government money even if they are corrupt.

Due to the vast numbers of people dependent on the government in this country the politicians and bankers know they have the American people bent over. Look at the rampant theft that's going on Wall St., Criminal bankers have stolen astronomical amounts of taxpayer money and no politician will dare prosecute them. The have gotten so brazen that Jon Corzine from MF Global just simply declared bankruptcy and walked away with billions of dollars of invester's money simply because he could. He was never arrested and it was barely covered in the media.

Social Security is just a big Ponzi scheme, yes people paid into but they should have known it was a fraud and set aside their own money for retirement. It's not fair for young middle class people to be slaves so they can support millions and millions of selfish baby boomers.

How many times do WE have to say that WE WERE FORCED TO PAY INTO THIS PONZI SCHEME??????

We expect to get it back.

 

[kris704th]

Do you think the younger generation magically became lazy or is it possible it developed from **** poor parenting? Lazyness is not a genetic disorder it is a LEARNED trait either through allowance or observation. Each generation is a product of their parents and environment.

Absolutely. But Wayfara is blaming the WRONG sector for bankrupting Social Security .. and listening to the Liberals for calling Baby Boomers *entitlests*

The Government is responsible for the deficit of SS, not the older generation. Obama and crew .. what .. tripled the Nation's deficit in the past three years? Just imagine what the Healthcare will do when fully activated :xeye:

I am 61 and I will do everything in my power to AVOID signing on to that crap legislation health(death)care bill. IMO .. it is nothing but a sleazy way to get into our bank accounts and rob US with rising health costs to fund those who do not, never paid a dime into it because it's all about VOTES and POWER over US.

 

[kris704th]

Just found this ...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...7167032979864386.html?mod=djemEditorialPage_h

FOOD STAMP NATION

Newt Gingrich threw a rhetorical tomato at the White House in Monday's South Carolina primary debate when he noted that "more people have been put on food stamps under Barack Obama than any other President in history." White House spokesman Jay Carney dubbed the claim "crazy" Tuesday, by which we assume he meant the President himself didn't literally enroll people in the program. Because any other way you cut the numbers, Mr. Gingrich is right.

According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's latest data, a record 44.7 million people participated in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program in fiscal 2011 at a $75.3 billion cost to taxpayers. That's up from 28.2 million and $37.6 billion in 2008. Some four million people are now on food stamps in Texas, with California (3.7 million) and Florida (3.1 million) close behind. In absolute numbers, President Obama has presided over a food stamp boom.

Mr. Carney says participation rates depend on the state of the national economy, which is true but not a sufficient explanation. As the nearby chart shows, the food stamp rolls have historically risen in recessions (1974-75 and 1981-82) and fallen during robust expansions (1980s and 1990s). The exception is the last decade, as the rolls rose as expected during the short 2001 downturn but then kept increasing throughout the decade with the single exception of a modest decline in 2007.

The reason is policy as much as it is slower economic growth. President George W. Bush expanded food stamp eligibility with the egregious 2002 farm bill by adjusting deductions and income tests and encouraging states to find more participants. The Pelosi Congress then rebranded the program in the Food, Conservation, and Energy Act of June 2008 to emphasize nutrition rather than the stigma of receiving handouts. As a result and also thanks to the recession in 2008, food stamp participation rose by 10.9 million across the Bush Presidency.
But Mr. Obama is now outstripping that dubious achievement, and in only three years rather than eight. The 2009 stimulus bill increased maximum benefits and authorized more money for states to administer the program. Some 11.2 million more people have joined the rolls from 2009 through 2011, including 4.4 million last year during what was ostensibly an economic recovery.

Food stamps were intended to help the truly needy so children wouldn't go without nourishment, but Washington is slowly turning it into one more entitlement for millions of Americans. Mr. Gingrich received loud applause on Monday less for his partisan criticism than because he zeroed in on the dangers of dependence on government, especially for the poor. He said he wanted to "help poor people learn how to get a job, learn how to get a better job and learn some day to own the job."

This is the right political goal. What's "crazy," to borrow Mr. Carney's word, is for a society to shrug its shoulders when nearly 45 million citizens are on the food dole.


Obama racking up MORE National debt !!! This has NOTHING to do with Baby Boomers. We see this for what it is .. more people on the dole NOT contributing and our Youth will suffer for it. My oldest daughter just gave birth to her third son this morning. YOU BET I CARE ABOUT THE WELFARE FOR ALL OF MY GRANDCHILDREN IN THE YEARS TO COME .. and the mess we .. and YOU YOUNG VOTERS are heaving upon them.

 

[kris704th]

I read that if any candidate tries to mess with the elderly people's entitlements that it's like touching the third rail politically. Ron Paul says he would still take care of the elderly but those baby boomers want the maximum amount of money that they can squeeze out of broke ass uncle Sam as possible.

If it was just people under age 40 voting Ron Paul would win the Republican primary easily. But because of the older baby boomers reaching the age where they will start collecting SS he is unelectable.

Young middle class Americans are trapped with an unchangeable corrupt government. There is no difference between the two parties now. Both are controlled by money printing criminal bankers and both parties cater to their own type of parasitic constituents.

Conservatives have retired and become liberals now. Government come and take care of me! Give me my money! You owe me! Most conservatives have aged out or will be soon and now many of them have to rely on the government.

The core principle of conservatism is self reliance. What do you do when millions of conservatives have aged and can no longer support themselves and have to resort to big government which is the core of liberalism?

I predict America will be becoming increasingly socialist to take care of all those boomers. The health care system will have to become socialist to take care of those millions of sickly smelly old farts.

Young people will live like the communist Eastern Europeans did. Working a crap job for low wages. Never being able to own a house or land and living in crappy little apartments. Driving crappy cars, wearing cheap clothes, they will have less freedoms than their parents did. Multiple generations of family crammed into tiny apartments. Massive unemployment, going to college but never being able to find decent employment being stuck doing menial jobs............all to pay for those greedy baby boomers.

We DON'T want to be taken care of .. only want back what we were FORCED to PAY into. BOY , DOES THAT SMACK OF THE LIBERAL PHILOSOPHY ?? *TAKEN CARE OF* = Government Control .. reason NOT to vote for RP!!

We only want OUR $$$$$ back!! Why don't you get that ???:xeye:

 

[kris704th]

Ok 3 pages and no answer on the college thing....I think silence has given me the answer....probbaly those evil baby boomer parents paid for it...

major? liberal arts, music, women's studies, or art...those are my guesses

Hmm .. I bet that you are right :thumb: And WHO is an entitlest?

 

[kris704th]

he cant see it because he is guilty of what he is accusing everyone else of. he is using a tried and true liberal tactic, which is to accuse the other side of your own faults to divert attention away from yourself.

he cant see it because he, himself, is too selfish to understand that just because he wants rp, that doesnt mean the rest of us do.

I know .. hasn't learned the art of *agreeing to disagree* and to respect an opposing opinion.

As Judge Judy would say *Open your ears, and listen. You might learn something* :rofl:

 

[kris704th]

Ya mean there IS hope for the youth after all ?? j/k

I know there is :thumb:

 

[kris704th]

I can't speak for the person you originally asked. I paid for undergraduate college out of my own pocket from money I had earned and saved and money I acquired while working three jobs during college. I also received a $5,000 merit scholarship from a private charity.

In law school, I received a substantial scholarship of about $15,000 per year from a private school for my performance at my undergraduate institution. I then borrowed approximately $100,000 from private lenders to pay for my loans. I purposefully avoided any and all government loans because I believe no one else should pay for my education. I was able to pay all my loans off within three years after school by starting my own business and working my rear end off.

To generalize and suggest that every individual from my generation is lazy and dependent is wrong. I work hard every single day in my own business that I built from the ground up. I take pride in my accomplishments considering I came from next to nothing.

I realize how fortunate I am, and because of my success, I have chosen to share my skills with those who could not otherwise afford it. I have dedicated more than 1,000 hours of my time during EACH of the past three years helping veterans coming back from these undeclared and unconstitutional wars that suffer from physical and mental illnesses and have no jobs waiting for them. Our government treats them like crap, and I refuse to sit on the sidelines and let it happen. When the older generation of lawyers cast them away because they are unable to pay, I am there to assist them no matter the cost or the time involved.

I am not lazy, I am not a dependent, and I am perfectly capable of caring for myself.

Same as for my kids, but they just haven't LIVED long enough .. not enough life experiences under their belts either. I was the same way when I was younger. As I got older, I became more conservative in my views, and MUCH LESS trusting with our government .. But let it be known .. I LOVE my Country.

 

[kris704th]

You are wrong about how much each person gets. It goes by what you paid in over a lifetime. I didn't have good paying jobs but still worked all my life. I get less than $700.00 a month and I can't live on that. I live with a roommate that gets more than me because he had good paying jobs but suffered a severe brain injury and can't work. Please stop judging others because it could happen to you. What would happen if you had a car accident and were a quadroplegic and couldn't work? Would you regect assistance? Think about it.

That is because she stereotypes people into numbers and not lives. Exactly what the Gov does :xeye: just as guilty as those she points fingers at .. so naive .. listening to the WRONG people .. Just listens to politicians on the other side of the coin.

 

[kris704th]

I used to be a more moderate person and put my faith in government until I saw the pain that government actually causes. That was about 10 years ago.

I am classically liberal, much like the Founders, which today is generally labeled as American conservatism. I am a Constitutionalist with very strong libertarian leanings. I love my country and have high aspirations for it, but I despise our federal government.

This "younger generation is lazee and stoopid" argument has probably been going on as long as there have been generations of humans. Yet, every new generation introduces a higher standard of living and better quality of life than the one before it. It will likely take my generation longer to improve in those two areas because of the huge, irresponsible mess we are being handed down, but I have full faith in my generation to improve on the prior and the future generation to improve on mine.

Yes it has My generation said the same as what you are saying, and before that .. yet .. look where we are today *Change* was voted in 2008 .. ?? Oh .. we got it alright !

 

[kris704th]

Forgive me if this has already been pointed out, as I did not read the entire thread, but what your statistics show is that the older a person gets, and the more he learns about life, the less easily led he is and the more capable of intelligent, rational choices.:thumb:
Have a nice day.:

Quoted this as I just had to see this duplicated!!!

Thank you!

 

[kris704th]

I just want Wayfara to get out the door and go work her darned job!!

I'm gettin' old, dammit, and I want my Social Security check!

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lol .. :rofl: Me too!

 

[kris704th]

Why do you keep harping about the college thing? I don't come here to discuss my personal life. I have an associates degree and I work in the medical field. I got a student loan so what? They are all paid of anyway the hospital I work at paid some of it too. No one can get out of repaying a student loan they will hound you to the grave. It's not charity. I did take some woman's studies classes on the side.....

Ron Paul would be elected if the under 40 conservative crowd had their choice and he would probably have beaten Obama too. I predict his numbers going down as more and more of his supporters give up and maybe pick between the evil Newt or evil Mitt.

There is no way Romney or Gingrich can beat Obama. All are supported by criminal bankers none of them are willing to reform the financial and banking systems. The public will think a Republican is more likely to attack Iran.

The conservative party in America has retired. Too old to be self sufficient and now dependent on big government liberal social programs.

Baby boomers should quit complaining about those criminal money printing bankers. So what if they skim off a lot of money for themselves. Without their masterful banking and financial subterfuge and money printing how would those millions and millions of baby boomers get their social security checks every month? America is broke and in debt. Ben Bernake with his beard must look like a magical money Leprechaun to a social security collecting baby boomer.

There is no way the broke and in debt United States can support the massive numbers of people on it's entitlement programs without the need for financial subterfuge and money printing. A vote for Newt or Romney is a vote for more bailouts, QE 3,4,5.....

Too many people are dependent on the government to get someone like Ron Paul elected who believes in self reliance and individual responsibility. America has become a welfare debtor country too many on the dole and they are dragging the working middle class people down with them.

Seriously? You sure poke your nose into OUR affairs, calling us entitlests. Oh .. YOU DID get a student loan .. wonder if some of my SS covered that?

Wanna get some off the Gov dole .. start with sending illegals back from where they came from. Get the elected to get a salary of $1 like our Governor Snyder accepted last year, instead of all those vacations Obama and his wife take ... Yeah .. we can start there ... and go on and on .......

Oh I forgot .. Obama wants to make it easier for students to reneg on those loans thanks to the Otards.

PS .. Were YOU one of the 66% of the youth who voted Obama into office? As you refer me as an entitlest .. I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM. I saw through his BS and knew he would put US into ASTRONOMICAL DEBT