[sierra skier]

Here is the break down of how many votes Ron Paul got in Iowa based on the age of the voters against the other candidates.

http://i.imgur.com/KOTbN.png

Age 17-24 50%
Age 25-29 45%
Age 30-39 35%

If they were just counting the votes of the people under 40 Ron Paul would have easily won.

Age 40-49 17%
Age 50-64 15%
Age 65 and older 11%

The older they are and closer to getting those the Social Security checks they more they dislike Ron Paul who believes in self sufficiency instead of big government entitlement programs. Basically the baby boomers are keeping the corruption in Washington going on for their own benefit. They would rather vote for corrupt politicians who will pay out the most money to them then vote for the only honest and decent candidate Ron Paul.

The baby boomers are simply too selfish and entitled to vote for a candidate with morals. Judging by the votes of the younger crowd you can tell they are fed up.

Both parties are funded by greedy bankers and wall st. scammers but it's the baby boomers who are keeping the corrupt Republican party going and then you have all the ghetto blacks, barrio latinos, trailer trash whites, gays and druggies who keep the corrupt Democrats going.


America has been taken over by parasites. Money grubbing criminal bankers and wall street scammers, greedy entitled baby boomers, welfare collectors and freaks. If normal middle class people were in control Ron Paul would be president.

You do know I played by the rules all of my life and SS was deducted from my checks and paid as part of my self employment taxes. SS is NOT an entitlement, it is an INSURANCE BENEFIT that was paid for through premiums over a LIFETIME.

Quit slamming boomers because we happened to live in one of the greatest booms in technology, global corporate growth (and control) and greedy politicians.

The combination of Global Corporate control and Corrupt Politicians are where the problems lay. The power has been taken from the the peoples hands through fraud, corruption and graft.

What exactly are you doing to help correct the situation?

 

[sierra skier]

Why do you keep harping about the college thing? I don't come here to discuss my personal life. I have an associates degree and I work in the medical field. I got a student loan so what? They are all paid of anyway the hospital I work at paid some of it too. No one can get out of repaying a student loan they will hound you to the grave. It's not charity. I did take some woman's studies classes on the side.....

Ron Paul would be elected if the under 40 conservative crowd had their choice and he would probably have beaten Obama too. I predict his numbers going down as more and more of his supporters give up and maybe pick between the evil Newt or evil Mitt.

There is no way Romney or Gingrich can beat Obama. All are supported by criminal bankers none of them are willing to reform the financial and banking systems. The public will think a Republican is more likely to attack Iran.

The conservative party in America has retired. Too old to be self sufficient and now dependent on big government liberal social programs.

Baby boomers should quit complaining about those criminal money printing bankers. So what if they skim off a lot of money for themselves. Without their masterful banking and financial subterfuge and money printing how would those millions and millions of baby boomers get their social security checks every month? America is broke and in debt. Ben Bernake with his beard must look like a magical money Leprechaun to a social security collecting baby boomer.

There is no way the broke and in debt United States can support the massive numbers of people on it's entitlement programs without the need for financial subterfuge and money printing. A vote for Newt or Romney is a vote for more bailouts, QE 3,4,5.....

Too many people are dependent on the government to get someone like Ron Paul elected who believes in self reliance and individual responsibility. America has become a welfare debtor country too many on the dole and they are dragging the working middle class people down with them.

Did you fall on your head and knock a screw loose??? You are so far off on anything that explains my thinking and I am a boomer, born in 1950.

The money printing will do nothing for the stolen SS monies, it will just make any checks I may receive in FUTURE years worth little or nothing.

I'll just stop there as your feelings baffle my imagination and it is incomprehensible to me.

 

[sierra skier]

I read that if any candidate tries to mess with the elderly people's entitlements that it's like touching the third rail politically. Ron Paul says he would still take care of the elderly but those baby boomers want the maximum amount of money that they can squeeze out of broke ass uncle Sam as possible.

If it was just people under age 40 voting Ron Paul would win the Republican primary easily. But because of the older baby boomers reaching the age where they will start collecting SS he is unelectable.

Young middle class Americans are trapped with an unchangeable corrupt government. There is no difference between the two parties now. Both are controlled by money printing criminal bankers and both parties cater to their own type of parasitic constituents.

Conservatives have retired and become liberals now. Government come and take care of me! Give me my money! You owe me! Most conservatives have aged out or will be soon and now many of them have to rely on the government.

The core principle of conservatism is self reliance. What do you do when millions of conservatives have aged and can no longer support themselves and have to resort to big government which is the core of liberalism?

I predict America will be becoming increasingly socialist to take care of all those boomers. The health care system will have to become socialist to take care of those millions of sickly smelly old farts.

Young people will live like the communist Eastern Europeans did. Working a crap job for low wages. Never being able to own a house or land and living in crappy little apartments. Driving crappy cars, wearing cheap clothes, they will have less freedoms than their parents did. Multiple generations of family crammed into tiny apartments. Massive unemployment, going to college but never being able to find decent employment being stuck doing menial jobs............all to pay for those greedy baby boomers.

The average food stamp benefit is like what? $150 a month A baby boomer on Soc Sec gets a little over $1,200 a month not to mention their massive Medicare bill for all the health problems they have.

What SS? I don't even qualify for SS until I am old enough.

What health problems? The doctors just keep telling me to keep doing whatever it is I have been doing.

My SS and Health cost you nothing. I am not a diabetic, obese, old entitlement absorbing lazy citizen. I am a 61 year old hard working, healthy and enthusiastic athlete constantly challenging myself,,,, and there are plenty of others just like myself.

 

[sierra skier]

This old baby boomer is voting for Ron Paul and will be writing him in because he is the only one that makes any sense. Newt is crying about the evils of making big bucks and Mitt's RomneyCare and views on guns gag me. Ron Paul said it the other day when he said he didn't really care about some of the stuff they were whining about.

As a employer I paid double into SS and really had no intention of needing or collecting it. After all the crying over the evil baby boomers I see here I think I'll just draw my SS check in a few months and buy silver with it. Maybe I'll collect a few checks before the govt changes the rules because I was smart enough to provide myself a great retirement fund.

I chose to have no kids,no ex's,no cell phones,no toys and live far below my means. For those that wanted those things you made your choices I made mine. No sympathy from this old baby boomer.

Red

I too could do fine without my SS check but will take that money for further investment when the time comes that I can collect. Being prudent through the years even with a family and some of the amenities offered by technology we have been prudent and saved for our retirement. It ma not be plush but will be comfortable enough to enjoy.

This last summer I kind of took off from the construction work I usually do, so I could reduce my tax rates because I am tired of supporting illegals, generational welfare collectors and many of the failed programs sponsored by the government with our tax dollars.

Fraud, corruption and graft are rampart and I no longer wish to support this turmoil with my hard earned dollars. In the near future I will be doing whatever I can to reduce the $s paid into the taxes that are spent so frivolously.

If for some reason TPTB turned things around and spending became responsible again I would probably change my views but I feel there is little chance of that happening.

 

[sierra skier]

Without social programs America would require a police state to control the chaos of the urban environment and the outlaw mentality of the poor in the country. Social security is important because without it many senior citizens will suffer. Without unemployment benefits people who fall into desperation will resort to unlawful means of survival. Government programs are not the problem. Baby Boomer ignorance is the problem.

Baby boomers have been the worst generation in American history. Baby boomers as a generation think their **** don't stink. All baby boomers have done too much drugs at one point in their life. They were raised to be scared suburban bunnies. They allowed JFK's killers to get away. They were warned to beware the military industrial complex and they did not take heed. They allowed Richard Nixon to pull the United States off the gold standard and create a floating exchange rate system. This has wrecked our future. They refuse to see reality. All they look for is pleasure, but reality is too painful to acknowledge. America will be poorer due to their short-sighted economics. They have allowed the nations infrastructure to deteriorate while they create massive amounts of debt to go to war. They are creating more enemies.and driving us to war once again. The baby Boomer is not a human being. The Baby Boomer is spiritually an infant. They can not see that their lifestyle of excess can not be sustained and their children will have to pay the bill, literally. Just like an infant t who doesn't know the value of money, so does the baby Boomer swipe his credit card and put his faith in a treasonous monetary system. The Baby Boomer is incapable of solving the problem because the baby Boomer is the problem. The Baby Boomer will never admit this, so the young people will have to start moving them aside while the future takes over. Go Ron Paul!

I'll just tackle this one in bold.

When Nixon pulled us off the gold standard most baby boomers were not even of voting age and I had not even had an opportunity to vote in a national election until 1972.

So yeah, the problems of the world are all direct related to the Boomers. We can't solve problems, we have no idea what money is, we are all ignorant, I was 11 or 12 when JFK was killed, but WE LET HIS KILLERS GET AWAY,,,,,

YOU need to check out your resources and rant about truthful things rather than just ramble on and throw blame where it is incorrect.

I am by no means a scared suburbanite nor was I raised to be a scared suburbanite. I probably have more desert, ocean, wilderness and mountains in me than you will ever have.

So instead of throwing a big rant about what YOU THINK we did wrong, why don't you TELL US WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO FIX THE WORLD.

 

[sierra skier]

The WWII generation built up the US, the Boomers sold it out and mortgaged the future. We're seeing the first generation that left the nation a worse place for the next generation. But I agree, it's hard to blame all Boomers. They were the first (and only) generation to grow up with TV controlled by a handful of m.i.c. monopolies, and tightly framed world-views and either-or options (left/right, divide-and-conquer). Today, at least, we have independent programming, blogs, forums, etc. It may just be that the current mafia-in-charge are mostly Boomer age.

But like I suggested in another thread, I don't believe that voting will change anything. Certainly not Ron Paul, hero-worship or singular candidates. We had Jesse Ventura here in Minnesota, but when you have all Demopublicans or Republicrats in the legislature, the ability of the executive to get anything done is hopeless. There's a huge monied establishment that will be there permanently.

The key, I think, is how we earn and spend money. And maybe my situation is unusual, but most Boomers I see spend money like it's going out of style, buy mostly retail instead of antique/vintage/thrift, etc. And many X-Gen people I know are far more frugal, out of necessity, since we were the first generation to complete downwardly with the third world throughout our careers. And I've seen a lot of Boomers with a head-in-sand atittude. I recall a Boomer co-worker wondering why I commuted so far, and didn't simply buy a house closer in. This was at the height of the real estate bubble, with $300K starting homes. Was that guy sober? If I followed advice of his, I'd be at least $100K underwater right now, he and people his age are clueless. They bought nice homes for $80K and paid them off a decade ago.

What are you smoking again? If I was any more frugal my wife would throw me out yet I see plenty of younger folks running around with all the latest phones and hi tec gear. You need to get your head on straight and do your homework before you spout untrue garbage.

 

[sierra skier]

The reality is boomers ( the ones i cross paths with, parents included) have a sense of entitlement as bad as any lifelong welfare recepiant. Everyone else be damned, they want their check SS check. Disregard the fact that future generations will have to face the debt legacy they leave behind due to their lack of prudence.

You do know that only a few years worth of the oldest boomers have even started to collect SS. Don't forget that when we started paying in to SS minimum wage was only $8-10 a day. Today minimum wage is that much an hour, so figure inflation into the scenario as well.

You should realize that us boomers gave the world the greatest advancement in technology and living standards ever seen. It just so happens that we were here at the right time and right place.

SS is not an entitlement, we paid into an insurance policy and now it is time to collect. If you paid an insurance policy for 50 years you would demand your rightful benefits as well.

LIVE WITH IT,,,,, or fix it.

This is from an e-mail that came around to me recently.

THINK ABOUT THIS AND LET IT SINK IN
OUR WASHINGTON TRIPE AT WORK?
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KEEP PASSING THIS AROUND UNTIL EVERY ONE HAS READ IT.....
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT
THE ONLY THING WRONG WITH THIS CALCULATION IS THEY FORGOT TO FIGURE IN THE PEOPLE WHO DIED BEFORE THEY COLLECTED THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY!!!! WHERE DID THAT MONEY GO?????????????
This was sent to me, I am forwarding it because it does touch a nerve in me.

This is another example of what Rick Perry called "TREASON in high places" !!! Get angry and pass this on!

Remember, not only did you contribute to Social Security but your employer did too. It totaled 15% of your income before taxes. If you averaged only $30K over your working life, that's close to $220,500.

If you calculate the future value of $4,500 per year (yours & your employer's contribution) at a simple 5% (less than what the govt. pays on the money that it borrows), after 49 years of working you'd have $892,919.98.

If you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $26,787.60 per year and it would last better than 30 years (until you're 95 if you retire at age 65) and that's with no interest paid on that final amount on deposit! If you bought an annuity and it paid 4% per year, you'd have a lifetime income of $2,976.40 per month.

The folks in Washington have pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madhoff ever had.

Entitlement my butt. I paid cash for my social security insurance!!!! Just because they borrowed the money, doesn't make my benefits some kind of charity or handout!!

Congressional benefits ---- free healthcare, outrageous retirement packages, 67 paid holidays, three weeks paid vacation, unlimited paid sick days, now that's welfare, and they have the nerve to call my social security retirement entitlements?

We're "broke" and can't help our own Seniors, Veterans, Orphans & Homeless. We have provided aid to Haiti , Chile , and Turkey . And now Pakistan .....home of bin Laden. Literally, BILLIONS of DOLLARS!!!

Our retired seniors living on a 'fixed income' receive no aid nor do they get any breaks while our government and religious organizations pour Hundreds of Billions of $$$$$$'s and Tons of Food to Foreign Countries!

They call Social Security and Medicare an entitlement even though most of us have been paying for it all our working lives and now when it's time for us to collect, the government is running out of money. Why did the government borrow from it in the first place? Imagine if the*GOVERNMENT* gave 'US' the same support they give to other countries.

Sad isn't it?

 

[sierra skier]

I agree with your letter....you paid into a ponzi scheme.

The fix will be tremendous cuts to your entitlement/benefits.

Boomers always get ****ed when I mention this, but successor generations did not create this situation...you just expect us to flip the bill.

SS is not an entitlement, it is an insurance policy. You obviously didn't read the information I presented above.

As I said before, LIVE WITH IT,,,,, or fix it.

Personally I believe our government, central bank and corporate powers will fix everything for us through debasement of our currency beyond our imaginations.

 

[sierra skier]

Yes when we seniors had a meeting with the Illuminati and the NWO dudes we discussed this at length!

Cool, you were there also.

 

[sierra skier]

Hold on here... an insurance policy is something that protects against unlikely catastrophic events. Growing old and retiring are neither unlikely or catastrophic. SS fits the definition of entitlement much better than insurance.

Insurance doesn't require catastrophic events. You do not need to break an arm to use your medical insurance, preventative care rates as well.

Insurance does require premiums like the 15% of my lifetime earnings. This premium was set aside for assistance in old age. Go back and read the numbers.

What is wrong with you folks? These people have taken 15% of my lifetime earnings to help me out in retirement or old age. That is by no means an entitlement. I didn't voluntarily go out and buy lotto tickets.

I played by the rules,,,, I could have gone underground/black market and never paid taxes at all.

PS I haven't even become eligible yet and would do fine without it.

 

[sierra skier]

SS is and always will be an entitlement, the biggest benefactor was the elderly at the time it was created who got something for nothing. The next generation saw it as there entitlement for the payments they made in, so they did nothing. Next generation? Same thing. For each generation it became less sustainable as the population continued to rise and people lived longer and here we are. Most of us can thank our Great Grandparents and everyone in between.

Was it the Boomer's fault? Yeah partly. Statistically, over 1/2 the boomers will be dead by 2020, causing their influence on our economy, politics and society in general to decrease dramatically. Yeah Yeah, maybe we'll decline without ya, but you probably wont be around to see how the next generation does. Granny over the cliff? Not until the boomers kids become the main demographic voting block.

You folks just do not get it. SS was designed to be self sustaining and had xxx in it's account earning interest as originally promised until it was raided in the 1980s. Even after the fund was drained to balance the budget the new premiums were put into the general fund and were still surplus to the expenditures. Just in the last year or two has SS been a loss to the general fund.

The reasons SS is no longer solvent is because the balances were stolen and no longer earned interest. SS, just like your IRA/RETIREMENT (you do have one,,,, yes?) earned interest for years and accumulated excess funds, premium payments and grew it's principal. It was fine.

What would happen if the government took your IRA/RETIREMENT account and 'borrowed' the money and left you IOUs? No principal to earn interest, all you would have is your contributions going in,,,, except they are taking them as well to co mingle with other funded needs. Now you are pay as you go and at a deficit.

Now for the rest of the story:

When the .gov decides to task the huge cash pool that is IRA/RETIREMENT/PENSION FUNDS/ETC. and buy treasury bonds to fund our borrowing because no one else will your retirement will be in the same shape as SS.

So the entitlement you have paid into all of your life (retirement/ira/pension fund/etc) will soundly depend on the full faith and credit of the US .GOV.

Good Luck. You better figure out how to fix things now while YOU have a chance.

 

[sierra skier]

How many of you know what kind of return you are getting on all the money you put into SS? Seriously, try to figure it out. If you bought an insurance policy wouldn't you want to know? If you put money into a 401K would you want to know?

After inflation I will be getting a negative return.

I had no opportunity to make a choice on SS, so it made no difference if I knew what my return would be or not. I do know that with a 5% return and inflation my investment in any other market would be in the 7 figure range.

 

[sierra skier]

Deadmeat99

Originally Posted by sierra skier View Post
Insurance doesn't require catastrophic events. You do not need to break an arm to use your medical insurance, preventative care rates as well.[/Quote}


[Deadmeat99]And that's exactly what's wrong with health "insurance". It's not insurance. It's the same reason why forcing insurers to accept people with pre-existing conditions it completely ludicrous and opposite of what an insurance plan should be. Not everyone can collect when they buy into "insurance". It's impossible, yet that is the impossible trick the government is trying to play with social security.[/Deadmeat99]

With this insurance you pay for a supplemental benefit in old age. I can't change my current insurance to new because I have a pre existing condition and no others will accept me.

Insurance does require premiums like the 15% of my lifetime earnings. This premium was set aside for assistance in old age. Go back and read the numbers.

[Deadmeat99]Social Security should be used as "insurance" against not being able to financially sustain yourself in old age. It should be means tested IMMEDIATELY if anyone wants the plan to survive. It was NEVER intended to be a pension, it was intended to be a safety net.[/Deadmeat99]

The safety net is now welfare, food stamps and all of the other 'entitlements' including SSDI

I played by the rules,,,, I could have gone underground/black market and never paid taxes at all.

[Deadmeat99]True... and you wouldn't have a safety net in the event you were to become destitute or too infirm to be able to earn money in old age.[/Deadmeat99]

You folks just do not get it. SS was designed to be self sustaining and had xxx in it's account earning interest as originally promised until it was raided in the 1980s. Even after the fund was drained to balance the budget the new premiums were put into the general fund and were still surplus to the expenditures. Just in the last year or two has SS been a loss to the general fund.

[Deadmeat99]Oh no, we get it completely. It's gone. Kaput. Zero balance (negative balance even). Yet the older generation is in denial and STILL wants to get paid. Sorry. Just like the South Park episode "...annnnnnnd it's gone".

I'm surprised the concept of "insurance" has become so distorted on a forum like this. I'm resigned to the fact that I will never see a dime of social security even though I've paid into it since being a teenager, and will continue to pay into it for decades if it doesn't collapse before then. Enjoy your money, but it's very difficult to come to any understanding when the attitude is "ITS MY MONEY I WANT IT NOW".[/Deadmeat99]

I love that south Park episode. If it was a private company the benefit would be gone, but it is the government and the payments will continue. Sounds like you paid in for about 25 years, I have paid in for over 45 years, so what am I to do?

I know, just give up a quarter million dollars invested over the years that properly invested would have yielded over a million dollars by the time I retire just because our powers that stole that money to build the hugest entitlement programs in history. If I was broke and would qualify I could collect the entitlements instead of my insurance. The entitlements might even pay better,,,,, hmmm, maybe I should look into that.

 

[sierra skier]

SS is a ponzi scheme which sooner or later is going down. Mathematically it cannot pay what is owed; unless the gov't just prints its way out of it. So all of you who are clamoring to get back what is owed, you will. Don't expect that money to be worth much though. This is what you get for trusting the govt.

I haven't trusted the government since the late 60s. I have done everything that I could to correct things by the rules within the system. There are just way too many folks feeding at the public trough looking for a bigger meal for my efforts to succeed.

Mathematically the government can't pay any portion of it's debt without massive printing and more borrowing, the whole monetary system is set up as debt and borrowing. SS is just one small piece of the debt pie that ran an interest bearing surplus that was robbed for entitlements.

 

[sierra skier]

It was and is an insurance system. Look it up and learn. There was an account until,,,

We paid all of our lives and now it is your turn,,,,, wwaaahhh. Live with it or fix it.

social security (ss) is not an insurance policy your money is not invested, your money is not held for you it's a pay in pay out system. people are forced to make payments to SS in a age based hierarchy system while expecting to receive payments from people recruited below them. Eventually the number of new recruits will fail to sustain the payment structure, and the system collapses with people losing the money/benefits they paid in.

This is the same basic definition of a pyramid scheme.


social security is the single largest expenditure on the federal budget @ 21% gross budget.

Combined SS, medicaid and prescription drug programs cost 1.5 trillion a year over 50% of the budget

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget


There's is a 117 trillion dollar unfunded liability with SS, medicare and prescription drug program.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/


There is no possibility of funding this system in the future as it sits and frankly it's unconstitutional...in my opinion.

 

[sierra skier]

I agree you paid it. But do you see why those of us that will NEVER collect but are FORCED to pay resent it?

I have no problem supporting my mother and father etc, but supporting others goes against EVERYTHING I was brought up to believe about survival and self reliance.

Hell, I was brought up in the cold war era, my father a SAC vet, flat out told me if the balloon went up, seal myself and whoever was with me in. If anyone, and I mean ANYONE tried to get in, kill them. be it parents, grandparents friends, whatever. I was probably 10 at the time. I still have that mentality.

So why should I pay in to a system with NO benefit to me?

You are asking the wrong folks. Ask you elected representatives and then elect someone who will fix it.

 

[sierra skier]

Oh, I agree. The problem is they WONT fix and we all know it. Anytime some one suggests it they get hammered by those that are cowards on Cap Hill and the press.

Hell, I dont blame the Boomer and seniors that are either on it or soon will be. I guess the difference between our generation is that you grew up believing you would receive it, we younger folks grew up knowing we would pay it and never receive it.

When they changed the rules back in the 1980s I was of the mind that I may never see SS. The fact that they have made it this far is impressive, and I may see some benefit when I am old enough to qualify.

The problem is the amount of benefit I will receive will not buy much because of inflation. My 88 year old mother collects more than my benefit will be. The benefits have been steadily reduced over the years and inflation has eaten up the purchasing power of the benefits.

 

[sierra skier]

A National Debt Of $14 Trillion? Try $211 Trillion
http://www.npr.org/2011/08/06/139027615/a-national-debt-of-14-trillion-try-211-trillion

Article from Left-wing NPR
"We've got 78 million baby boomers who are poised to collect, in about 15 to 20 years, about $40,000 per person. Multiply 78 million by $40,000 — you're talking about more than $3 trillion a year just to give to a portion of the population," he says. "That's an enormous bill that's overhanging our heads, and Congress isn't focused on it."

The Demons or Repukes will not fit it. It will be on the backs of the next generation as we are the baby boomers and its all about us.

I don't know where they are getting the $40,000 number from, that would be almost $3,500 a month and I know no one who is collecting anywhere near that amount.

Use your head and look at those contrived numbers. That number alone is enough to discredit the article. BTW I read that article earlier this morning.

 

[sierra skier]

Why bang your head against the wall - the cry baby generation just doesn't get it and my bet is never will. I'm done with annoying them.

Attempting to reason with the whiners in this thread is a waste of time. Life will be hard for those who can't, or refuse, to think. I've seen their type destroyed over and over.

I've also heard from fools that I don't know what I'm talking about, or how money works, how you can't eat PMs, that I have to take responsibility for myself . . . and yet I've been married for 40 years, both our kids are married, own homes & very successful, and that on half the income of my peers I retired at 59 when they couldn't . . . and with no package.

This thread reads much better after you put 3 or 4 of these crybabies on your Ignore User List. :thumb:

That is what I advise you and NotARoleModel do.

Although I don't use the ignore list much you said it well here.