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#1 ·
So on another board some one asked what would you do.

So basically your asleep and wake to the roar of tanks and troops rolling down your street. You look at your window and troops are setting up for military law.
What would you do ?

For me and my home I'm out the back door and try and get out of that place.
 
#47 ·
Martial law and tanks in the street are messy and expensive. Why bother? Most of the American public is easily controlled through economic serfdom (debt), entertainment and junk food. Most folks are too fat, zoned out and broke to jump out of their pods. :)

I'm speaking in jest (sort of, maybe) but unless material conditions go down the tubes most of the sheeple populace aren't going to require a crackdown over much of anything.
 
#49 ·
When it throws a Track it is essentially a stationary Artillery Peice. Go for the Track, then stuff the Barrel. Problem solved. A broom handle with a sock full of concrete is easy to stuff into the barrel of an immobilized tank. Pole charges can also be used but reguire a higher skill level.:thumb:

ETA: I immagine that a can of Ether in the air intake would wreak havoc with their mobility too.
spraypaint the Periscopes and Weapon Sight Modules is handy too. I was a Bradley Mechanic, and could come up with 101 ways to disable a tracked Vehicle.
 
#63 ·
It's important to the Bilderbergs that a wedge must always exist between the people and the military, lest that wedge re-manifest itself as between the military and the political/global elite actually running the show.

I don't know about all these other nations, but the US went from the world's industrial giant to the off-shoring weakling in about two generations. What's happened elsewhere may or may not apply to us. The US has failed its obligations in the past also. When it failed to honor Native American treaty obligations, it got wars. When it failed to pay off its puppets and strongmen, it got blowback. When it failed to pay off the mafia, it got... well, you guess. When it failed to pay off the Chinese, it got... You guess there also.
 
#89 ·
I don't take orders from anyone in the military, and barely tolerate my boss. But I'm not really worried about the military. Nearly joined myself. Everyone I've known who's been LEO, military, etc. has been as level-headed a citizen (or more) than anyone else I've ever met. Frankly, I'm way more worried about the lawyers and politicians than some grunt in a uniform.
 
#14 ·
Why are you hung up on the whole idea of the military coming to your house unprovoked? The entire military system is like 2.5 million, do you think they are planning on declaring war on 300 million of their neighbors? Sometimes martial law is a good thing. Thats what keeps your grandmas house from being looted during a huricaine evac.
 
#24 ·
I would stay put, I've got food, medicine, water, shelter consider resistance depending on what is happening ?

funny thing about a tank I can't take one out with any weapon I own. if I can get close enough to dump a cup or so of homemade Napalm... gas/ Styrofoam or anything good and flammable down an open hatch and a road flair it's toast!

as the saying goes .......you can run but you'll only die tired!
 
#38 ·
Gather what information you can safely gather about the situation, then make an informed decision as to what to do next. If it's UN or foreign heavy metal in my area, I'm either gone or making every attempt to conceal my existence. If it's US then I'm still probably gone, but right off the bat I'm going to appear to be cooperative. Appear is the key word in that last sentence. Sometimes deception is neccessary, sometimes it isnt. I'm certainly not going to put my life in the hands of anyone but my own.
 
#40 ·
Wow, lots of great input here, but I think in this scenario, the first thing I would/could do that would be of the most relief is, I would be able to stop wondering when the crap's going to hit the fan! The anticipation part is killing me. Tanks on my street would definitely be a positive indicator of that. Whew!! Hopefully the anticipation is the hardest part...lol.

I'm home alone most of the time. I would text my husband ASAP and tell him I may need his help. He is usually 20 miles away and would have to take the back way through the woods since I wouldn't know exactly how far highway travel would be possible. He would most likely have to forge roads as he goes for part of the way. We need a dirt bike! Great, you finally pulled it out of me! The one thing that we have neglected to buy and now it's too late!! OH THE STRESS!! Anyone have a dirt bike for cheap/barter/sale?
 
#41 ·
Funny, in the despot state of Egypt the military is a welcome sign of relief. Sometimes things get so bad with political cronies that a non-political force is a form of internal liberation from corrupt politicians (though historically it typically goes worse).

And yet what if America eventually has to chose between a failed mafia state or a military junta? I worry that we'll be facing precisely this choice if we can't clean up our act.
 
#93 ·
This actually happened. - terrified residents in Charlotte

http://dagmar.lunarpages.com/~parasc2/articles/0397/charlott.htm

by Charles Overbeck
Matrix Editor
EASTERISLE@aol.com


The sounds of automatic gunfire and flash-bang grenades cracked the Charlotte night.

Residents watched nervously as troop transports rolled in. Shrouded in darkness, a dozen helicopters -- some of them Black Hawks modified for commando operations -- swooped low over the Third Ward, rattling windows in homes and restaurants, and rattling the nerves of those inside.

The choppers converged at ground zero, dropping dozens of troops at an old warehouse at 1000 South Clarkson Street. Local police set up roadblocks at nearby intersections, telling those who inquired that "operations were being performed," ordering them to turn back. Exercise Cauldron Chariot was underway.

No, it wasn't war -- not this time. The U.S. Army's Special Operations Command, headquartered at Fort Bragg in Fayetteville, North Carolina, was conducting another of its now-infamous Military Operations in Urban Terrain (MOUT) exercises.

Charlotte was chosen for the March 4 exercises because of the lighting conditions and tall buildings, which are not available at Fort Bragg's training facilities. The target of the exercises was located in a sparsely populated commercial area, offering a realistic setting without posing a risk to civilians and soldiers -- or so the Army says.

But the Army's explanation did not satisfy Charlotte residents, who vented their rage over the unannounced exercises on local talk radio programs. As soon as the exercises began, Mayor Pat McCrory found himself besieged with phone calls from citizens and city staff as he attempted to get a grasp on the situation. The following day, congressional representative Mel Watt's phone rang off the hook with constituents' fiery complaints. Shortly thereafter, Mayor McCrory expressed his "deep concern" over the exercises in a letter to President Clinton.

McCrory told the Charlotte Observer that he had no idea what he was getting his city into when two men bearing Army credentials secured his permission for the exercises last December.

"The clear impression was that this was a very reasonable operation that would not interfere with our community," McCrory told the Observer. He said he did not hear anything else about the exercises until the night of March 4, when his phone started ringing.

The Army didn't tell the mayor when the exercises would be conducted, or that a dozen assault helicopters would waken Charlotte children from their beds. They just made sure they had his signature on the confidentiality agreement, leading him to believe that their work could be sabotaged if their plans got into "enemy hands." The two Army officials informed him that the exercises were routine, that they would be "in and out," and that no one would know they were even there.

"Their personalities fit the type of work they did," McCrory told the Observer. "They were extremely serious, secretive and to the point. I wanted to cooperate, knowing that terrorist activity is a very serious concern in our country."

"The city got hoodooed," said Malachi Greene, the City Council member representing the Third Ward district. "These guys were not truthful. They lied by omission."

Greene's comments reflected the opinion of Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Dennis Nowicki, who was not informed of the exercises until 2:30 p.m. on March 4, just hours before the choppers roared in. "When you're holding back information, you're deceiving," he said. "My advice to them was that they ought to rethink their policy."

Army Special Operations Command spokesman Walter Sokalski insisted that secrecy was a vital component of the operation. "We can appreciate people's fear, but we can't contact everybody that might hear the sound of the training," he said. "We do try to let as many know as possible, and I'd think, with people seeing the street blocked, they'd know something was going on."

That line of thinking didn't sit well with Greene, however. "This is the Army," he said. "They've been known to put out disinformation. It's a deliberate thing on the part of these guys."

The Charlotte exercises were the latest in a regular series of urban combat training exercises conducted by Special Operations Command. Last June, ParaScope reported on similar exercises conducted in Pittsburgh, where nine helicopters and 200 troops stormed the areas of McKeesport, the Strip District, and Brighton Heights.

911 operators fielded calls from frightened citizens who heard gunfire and explosions powerful enough to blast in doors. Like the citizens of Charlotte, shocked Pittsburgh residents complained bitterly to the mayor, the city council, and the media.

Also, about a year before the Pittsburgh exercises, Special Operations Command "raided" the Chicago suburbs of Des Plaines, Lemont, and Homer, where low-flying helicopters and explosions sent residents running into the streets.

More MOUT exercises were conducted last October in Houston. As usual, residents were not advised in advance that hundreds of troops and a dozen helicopters would be descending on their city.

In its report on the exercises, the Houston Chronicle openly ridiculed readers who voiced their concerns about military exercises in the downtown area and the Houston Ship Channel. Reporter John Makeig wrote that conducting the exercises in secret "has the side effect of generating rumors, and some people think the media are covering up for the culprits... callers suggested there was ample room to train around Fort Bragg, N.C., where, one woman insisted, the helicopters are based."

Although the Houston exercises were conducted by the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment based at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, the regiment is assigned to the U.S. Army Special Operations Command, which is headquartered at Fort Bragg -- a fact which apparently slipped by Makeig.

Army SOCOM spin-doctor Walter Sokalski was on the scene of the Houston exercises as well, offering a particularly flaccid explanation for the envelope of secrecy: "It's like when the circus comes to town. Everybody wants to see the elephants."

In spite of three years of harsh criticism from residents and city officials in the cities targeted for the Army's exercises, Special Operations Command has not yet demonstrated its willingness to accept the well-being of the local communities as an operational variable. It is the military's prerogative to conduct training exercises as it sees fit. But to repeatedly ignore the vehement complaints of those unknowingly caught at ground zero shows a pattern of negligence that the Army will have to correct if it is to overcome public apprehension about its urban combat exercises.
 
#94 ·
man the radio talk show buzz the following week after that one.. I recall it as we were still living in Charlotte at the time...

there was one ol boy that came out with shotgun in hand..but no buckshot fired fortunately.
in that area...it's gang thugs who know how to lay low and run...and poor folk who had little options to respond...

anyway... I guess my point in raising the story back up is that had an uninformed person with his own AR decided to react badly, this could have been a very very ugly night.
 
#95 ·
on a totally different scale.. 2 weeks ago I was coming home..in the country and as I turned on my street, the road was blocked by a flatbed wrecker truck, an unmarked large pickup and 2 men in full army wardrobe...looked like they were doing a repo..maybe a company that watches too much TV...a 3rd guy in a coat that resembled a typical LEO, but other than that, he didn't have easily recognizable garments on.

The house they were at has been known for trouble, the young man split after accusations of rape...etc.

but to the point I suddenly realized that access to my own house had been cut off and what if this was a military drop-in? maybe there weren't looking for me, but for an AWOL and had shutdown the hood?

I have an aleternate route..so I calmly backed up in a neighbor's drive and made my way around the elbow.
I immediately gave thought to other options..like where I would ditch my work van and make my hike up the creek and through the woods to my house.

I also realized that it was one of those times when my BOB was at the house, not in the truck with me..DUMB !