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I was reading in another section of the forum about a survival commune idea. On the surface, I think the idea is great. People keep bringing up this idea of buying a large tract of land with like minded individuals and sharing the costs associated with food production, power, etc.

However, I think it could never materialize in the way people are thinking about it. Having communally owned property is a recipe for disaster nine times out of ten.

The pilgrims to America originally tried communally owning the means to production and it did not work. They were, for all intents and purposes, a survival commune.

I think what people need to do is focus on creating survival communities, where a large number of people can be relied upon. Obviously, you start now. If you are in town, build your network where you are at.

The best long term scenario is where individuals still own the means to production, but the surrounding community becomes increasingly like minded. Think more like the Free state project.

For that post I mentioned earlier about the survival commune, I think energy would be better placed by buying your own tract of land, then finding ways to get others to move nearby as well. Your "survivalist" neighbors don't have to be on the same property as you. Why couldn't they be two miles down the road.

For those that are older/more financially secure/already have a survivalist home, help like minded young people transition into your area. The goal should be to build a network of people, and not just build a commune.

I remember a time in my life where I lived at a place (not officially a commune) where good people held a lot in common. We all worked to support the place together. And while those people were people I would love to work with or have a conversation with in a normal circumstance, living with them became a pain. We probably worked against each other's goals more often then not just because we are all individuals and like to do things our own way and did not like how the other was doing it.

Anyway, that is my two cents. I love the idea of like minded survivalists encouraging others to find land nearby each other and forming a sort of community of survivors instead of a commune of survivors. Sometimes good fences (and privately owned property) make good neighbors.
 

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When the Jews returned to their homeland of Palestine they chose the Communal Kibbutz way of life. It's amazing what you can do when everyone around is trying to kill you. I don't think you need to go total commune in order to survive but you do need like minded people with like minded interest, like minded moral compass, and a diversity of skills. In other words they need skin in the game. Though most of Israel is secular, the Torah is the basis for their code of conduct. There is also something known as a Cherokee council if you wish to research it.

In my mind something like a frontier town banding together for the common good is the ideal. It's important to have some form of law but important (to me at least) that you don't end up with some tyrannical strongman controlling everything and everyone. The least amount of government, even by the people, or for that matter a family is important or you end up with the kind of mess we're in now.

Remember in a SHTF situation you won't for long have litigious society suing you over petty gripes, if you get my drift. You won't have a damned if you do and damned if you don't legal system either. Don't pass rules (common law) you yourself wouldn't live by or penalties you wouldn't want laid on your own children. Mercy is as important as justice when it's your own flesh and blood and all the do's and don'ts that clog our legal system are pathetic. Sometime, somewhere, somehow the rules may come down on you and yours, so choose them wisely.

As an addendum Socialism does not work ever. It is doomed to failure by human nature. Communal living however for the common good and safety has a lot of advantages. Everyone is expected within their ability to contribute and pull their weight. You can always pack up and leave if you don't like it or your neighbors.
 

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For me it is not practical, but I can see the merits of living near like minded people that are likely to have food and things that they can trade with me. Few of my neighbors will be able to feed themselves to any significant degree. I will not have enough food for all. Conflict will be the result.
My take on things is different from most. First gardening and firearms are a hobby so I am doing what I like to do. My take is that food will be around, but at higher and higher prices. Gardening just as it was prior to the 1970's along with canning will be real popular again.
There was a time when politicians would promise a car in every garage and a chicken in every pot. In few years they may be doing the same. Gardening overall is a healthy pursuit so it has a lot going for it.
 

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First gardening and firearms are a hobby so I am doing what I like to do. My take is that food will be around, but at higher and higher prices. Gardening just as it was prior to the 1970's along with canning will be real popular again.
I guess for me, gardening and food preservation are a hobby in a sense, but they are getting more practical. I think we (my family) is getting to the point where our investment in the garden is less than what we get out of it. So we kind of profit (in stored foods) with our garden. We focus on items that we eat and that can be stored, so that probably helps.

Anyway, good thoughts there. I've lived in suburban and rural settings and in either place, it can be hard to draw like mined individuals together. You have two options for such a network. You can convert them into your line of thinking, or you can bring them in to congregate them. Both options are hard, and neither options is done in a day.

The important thing is that you survive. There are many things I can do, but there are many things I cannot do. So for me, I could see the usefulness of a loose knit, like minded neighborhood or community. Also, I think it is much easier to convert other neighbors to your mindset when they see you are not just a lone wolf and that it is a way of life in your area.
 

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I voted no.

In the past I've helped neighbors (Examples;bale hay, shared firewood) and would do so again but what's mine is mine and theirs is theirs, sharing is a good thing and charity is even better but charity ends when survival begins.
 

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I think it would all depend on the agreement made between those involved. It would make sense to do a bulk purchase of land with a group of people, then in the "charter" of the town break down the rules for things like water rights, common pasture lands, etc.

In my mind it doesn't make sense to buy yourself a homestead and count on that being enough. That is find for a hunting cabin or weekend getaway but for long term not so much. No one is a one man show. You can't be an expert in everything and even if you are that puts a lot of pressure on you. If it's your family and you're the expert hunter, what happens if you slip on a rock or get sick?

In my ideal world you'd have a well diverse group of people, say 25 to 50. You'd share the risk and rewards, hedging you bet against sickness or injury. A group that size would allow for some specialization in production and skill. Plus, to me survival means an end game beyond living. If it is a true SHTF scenario, what is the point of living if you're just going to be the one digging your own grave? 25 is enough of a group to allow a viable breeding population.
 

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Where you guys currently live, who owns the local hospital, library, park, meeting hall, fire department?

For us all of these are community owned.

It seems to work, so why would one expect it not to work in a survival community?
 

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When the Jews returned to their homeland of Palestine they chose the Communal Kibbutz way of life. It's amazing what you can do when everyone around is trying to kill you. I don't think you need to go total commune in order to survive but you do need like minded people with like minded interest, like minded moral compass, and a diversity of skills. In other words they need skin in the game. Though most of Israel is secular, the Torah is the basis for their code of conduct. There is also something known as a Cherokee council if you wish to research it.

In my mind something like a frontier town banding together for the common good is the ideal. It's important to have some form of law but important (to me at least) that you don't end up with some tyrannical strongman controlling everything and everyone.
Shades of Deadwood if you ever watched that series.
 

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Anything can work, given proper motivation.

The hardest apart is accepting a leader in a supposedly "communal" arrangement.
To avoid your own appointed dictator, perhaps a council would be organized with specific by laws for governance.

Council could develop bartering diversity, plans for shared resources (utilities, wells, etc). Certainly there would be bumps and disagreements (think of your hunting club), so a charter would need to be developed.

Who knows what could happen. Then there is the estate issues if a member passes and heirs want to sell out, etc.
 

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While my neighbors probably don't even know what the term prepper is most of them will probably do fine in most any TEOTWAWKI situation. They are farmers and most have been in place for many years. They have the means to survive bad times right at their finger tips now.

I wouldn't want to change that except for one thing, MUTUAL DEFENSE. If/when it hits, and it is obvious to almost everyone that the world is different I will start contacting the neighbors and try selling them on the idea that it is better to fight off trouble in somebody else's back yard rather than your own. In other words I would try to organize a neighborhood watch with teeth or even more pointedly, a militia.
 

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Anything can work, given proper motivation.

The hardest apart is accepting a leader in a supposedly "communal" arrangement.
Why not organize as partnership or a limited liability corporation? Businesses do it all the time and for the most part it works out.
 
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