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You've been picked as a contestant for a reality show. The show's premise is that you are dropped into the wilderness of Alaska in the dead of June and are to make your way to Sterling Highway in the least amount of time and the safest. Streams, grizzly and black bears and moose are aplenty. In past shows, no one has made it. All have failed.

You are furnished with a map. (suppose the scale is 1" = 30 miles)

http://www.gwinslodge.com/TOPOGWINS2.jpg

You start at the bottom of the map, on top of the mountain, looks like a big C, at 3500' elevation. Straight up is North, to the left is West, etc. You are to pick 1 of 3 routes. Route 1) You can take the most gently slope and go almost due West till you hit the 2000' elevation, then head North to the Highway. About 180 miles. Route 2) Head NorthEast through that ravine to 1500' elevation, then due North to the highway. About 130 miles. or Route 3) you can take the middle route, due NorthWest, to about 2500' elevation, then turn due North to the highway. Also about 130 miles. Routes 2 and 3 are the more strenuous and roughest routes. Route 1 is the most gentle.
Or if you dare, you can take any unknown route you want.

Before you leave you may choose from among the following items.

1) Choose 1 knife. http://images.outdoorinteractive.net/mgen/502567_d.jpg or
http://amobhitman.com/files/d_8101.jpg or
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3236/2724730469_7c52326f76_m.jpg or
http://www.saberknife.com/bookpic/200842317361580018.jpg (this one has the hollow handle which contains matches, fishing line, hooks) or
http://www.brooklyngearsupply.com/image/leatherman/leatherman_wave_black_1.jpg or
Randall knife http://www.bp-outdoors.com/randall_pics/randall_knife_model_16_2.jpg

2) Choose ONE of the following...
http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/timberline/images/tm6013.jpg or
http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/15-million-candlepower-1.jpg or
http://www.sleeping-bags-now.com/desert_canteen.jpg or
50 meters of http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...g/333px-Paracord-Commercial-Type-III-Coil.jpg or good to 30 below http://www.campist.com/archives/marmot-eco-pro-15-recycled-sleeping-bag.jpg or
http://www.stanleylondon.com/compass.jpg

3) Choose ONE... http://www.silvertechsurplus.com/zcart/images/Magnesium FIRE STARTER.jpg or
http://prodimages.branders.com/img/custom_Bic_Lighter/Home_Housewares/Bic_Lighter-04826_bs.jpg or
http://www.instructables.com/files/deriv/FPS/ABEO/F3SYP1GJ/FPSABEOF3SYP1GJ.MEDIUM.jpg

4) Choose ONE... (4" barrel with 50 rounds, 500 caliber) http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporn/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/model500.jpg or
(Ruger, semi auto, with 500 rounds) http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ruger/ruger_1022rb.jpg or
(50 cal, Barrett, 20 rounds) http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/barrett_82A1.jpg

5) Choose ONE... 20 bags http://jason-barber.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/oberto_beef_jerky.jpg or
cheap blue tarp, 3m x 3m http://asthecrowflies.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/cheap-tarp-tent.jpg or
12 bars http://media.rei.com/media/519135_478Lrg.JPG or
9 cans http://kaige.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/spam.jpg or
1 bottle http://di1.shopping.com/images1/pi/75/47/d6/23352438-177x150-0-0.jpg

Most days will have sunshine for at least part of the day. Make your picks and explain your choices and route. Remember, no one yet has made it. All had to be evac'd by helicopter. Good luck.
 

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Route 1 - Northwest on the easy slope and then north - Easy and safe is going to mean faster, even if longer

Taking:

http://images.outdoorinteractive.net/mgen/502567_d.jpg - Better overall size & utility for me. The Rambo isn't practical in my eyes, and the weird one is... weird. The third is smaller and not as capable for this type of trek in my opinion.

http://www.sleeping-bags-now.com/desert_canteen.jpg - Gotta have water to keep hydrated. With fire, can get by without sleeping bag. Going the easy way, don't need the rope. Won't travel at night, too dangerous even with a light. Since there is another knife, the water is more important to me.

http://prodimages.branders.com/img/c...r-04826_bs.jpg - only going to be a few days. Plenty of lights out of a new lighter, with quality of tinder not quite so important. Strike anywhere matches aren't waterproof so too big a risk. The Swedish steel you don't have to worry about running out of strikes, but you need better tinder to use

http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporn/w...2/model500.jpg - Barrett is too heavy and unwieldly, 10/22 to light a caliber - the handgun best choice of the three for me


http://jason-barber.com/wp-content/u...beef_jerky.jpg - Need some sustenance and four ounces plus of jerky a day will keep the hunger off and give you some energy while still being light. Not enough food value in the food bars and the liqour no food value at all. The Spam is close second runner up due to the fat content and quantity, but heavy & harder to carry. Shouldn't need the tarp if I have a fire.
 

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I'm with Jerry on all equipment choices.

The only variance: I might entertain the idea of taking a southern exposure on that western slope. It looks like a gentler decline, and depending on temperatures, the exposure vs. added distance might be worth it.
 

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1.Sog Seal Pup Elite- light, tuff and have one so I know that it is comfortable for me so no blisters.
2.Canteen- water is necessary to travel with for hydration and hygiene
3.Fire starter- takes up less space and can still use in the rain.
4.Pistol with 500 rounds- small can defend against bears and moose can put food in your belly. Can also signal for help
5.peppered beef jerky- can eat, use as bait for traps and fishing. Light and easy to pack.
 

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hehe, here is the actual mountain if anyone is interested



and GWIN'S! I've heard they have really good food, but I've never actually been there when it was open.


Ok, back on topic. I'd too agree with all items brought by Jerry.

1) The first knife just looks most practical. I don't need to rambo it, that's for the movies.

2) A canteen is a MUST, you need to be able to carry water so that was a no brainer. Alaska in June = nearly 24 hours of some form of light ("19 hour day"), so I sure dont need a huge spotlight.

3) bic just is more efficient for this scenario (lighter, smaller)

4) the large caliber s&w will stop bears after a couple of shots and its lighter. (I'd probably toss out 450 rounds tho, dont quite need 500...)

5) Despite the jerky being 95 percent protein, Id still rather take that than any of the other things. Generally speaking you want carbs for hiking like that, but i love jerky! Although that stuff is quite pungant which might lead to attracting bears.

Hard for me to choose a route ahead of time, but I'd probably go with the most direct route given the 1" = 30 miles for this scenario, so Route 3
 

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Heh, which knife was the weird one Jerry? The Tracker? :eek:: :cool:
I forgot to put a compass in there, so that's a choice now. Plus a multitool in the knives. If that'll make any difference for anyone.
Nice photo of the mountain Apes, that really DOES look like it.

Here's what FOTH guessed in a PM...
Route: Going to go northwest down to that little road, follow it out to the main road. (Your Route Two)

1. Knife: SOG

2. Forget the canteen. You said there are plenty of streams. And you’re starting on top of the mountain, so unless the canteen comes full of water, you’ll have no way to fill it anyway, until you get down off the mountain, where the streams are. Take the paracord. It gives you more route options. (Not the best idea, but I have successfully rappelled on paracord more than once, and could also use it to lower my gear down through a tight spot that I could not get through with a pack on my back.)

3. The fire steel…the lighter can break, malfunction, leak fuel…and while you could then go ahead and use the little flint to get a spark, I’ve lit fires that way, and it’s not easy and it’s not going to work well at all in a wind.

4. The pistol. The .22, while it’s light and good for hunting small game, won’t help you much against bears, and the Barrett…very difficult to carry, and I’d like to see someone try to get it all set up in time to defend themselves against a bear attack. Definitely a rifle I’d like to own, however…

5. Meal bars. More calories, more fat and carbs than the jerly, and are going to require less water than the salty jerky. And if I end up having to snare critters for additional food (using some of the paracord I chose…) the bars will work fine for bait. If it was winter, I’d be sorely tempted to take the spam for the fat content, and deal with the additional weight. (Evil trick you played, though, making me choose between the food or the tarp! If it rains, I’m really gonna wish I had that tarp instead!)
 

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route 1

and choose
need a good survival knife
http://images.outdoorinteractive.net/mgen/502567_d.jpg

you can go days without without food but not water
http://www.sleeping-bags-now.com/desert_canteen.jpg

might be harder to start a fire than the lighter but it will last longer incase things go wrong and im out there longer than expected
http://www.silvertechsurplus.com/zcart/images/Magnesium FIRE STARTER.jpg
im assumeing this is atleast a .45
http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporn/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/model500.jpg

need to eat something I may not beable to shoot anything every day
http://jason-barber.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/oberto_beef_jerky.jpg



i assume we got a small backpack to carry all this
 

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Yes, small backpack. That was a 500 caliber revolver.

I just ate one of those Pemmican bars for breakfast. They're 420 calories, 12g fat,
58g carbs, 28g sugar, 16g protein. They're really good. Bear valley makes them. They're called concentrated food bar with complete protein and quick energy w/8 essential amino acids.
 

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I'll stick with my choices, though the pemmican is a close second to the jerky now that I know the particulars. I would prefer the jerky be a plain rather than peppered or teryiaki.

One of the reasons for the jerky over the pemmican is quantity. We're talking up to 15 days or more on the move. I guess you could eat a partial bar until you have a better idea on the time. I do not want to be enticing bears with open cans of Spam, since you probably wouldn't eat a whole can at a time.
 

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Albert, lots of time on your hands, huh? Dead of June? Too funny.:D:
 

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Heh, who is this Mad Dog guy? He's the only one that gets my humor.
Yes, WAY too much time on my hands. It's the only thing that keeps me sane
while marking the days off my calendar. :eek: :juggle:
 

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I agree with Jerry on all of the equipment choices. Except on two points.

I will point out that in cold conditions the normal cigarette lighter will not light unless warmed up a bit. Easily enough sidestepped by placing the lighter in your pocket next to your skin so it will warm up.

The other thing is I might swap to the multitool. Doubt it, but those are just SO versatile I would hate to pass up on it, but given the terrain and goal I would probably pick that mid sized knife too.
 

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Route 3: NW, make way to the trail heading down, then due North. The entire trip is downhill, so even if it is more technical, it will be less taxing than slogging uphill.
1) #3...Gerber LMF. I like the utility of this knife...from the lashing holes to the blade designed to cut your way through an aircraft fuselage...you know, in case you find an aircraft...;)
2) canteen. is that flashlight a goof? I have one like that. couldn't imagine carrying it to the mailbox, much less 130 miles. The compass would be nice, and I always carry one, however if I kept a bearing on a landmark as I made my way down the mountain I should be ok...especially knowing I just need to go NORTH once I reach the trial after heading NW.
3) fire steel...very reliable, lasts forever, and doesn't have the same cold weather issues or possibility of breaking as a bic, or the frustration of a box full of wet strike-anywheres...
4) 50 Cal S&W, and if I had a watertight container I'd break open 350 rounds for the powder and carry 150. You know, in case I get into a gunfight with those crazy natives. ;)
5) 12 bars...for the carbs. Ok, are you taunting me with the Wild Turkey? I'll buy the Turkey when I get to the end.:thumb:
 

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Here are my selections and reasons…

1 http://amobhitman.com/files/d_8101.jpg
Tracker for me…I own one of these and have found it to be invaluable on overland trips…axe, saw, wire cutter, gut lobe, draw knife and it’s nearly impossible to damage it if you’re using it correctly…
2 http://www.sleeping-bags-now.com/desert_canteen.jpg
Compass for me…tough choice between compass and canteen, but since it’s gotta be an airdrop at the peak to start me off I also get orientation before the drop + the map. I can triangulate positions from map and visual landmarks ( Russian river, Shooner Bend, Resurrection Pass, Spencer highway, Gwin’s lodge ) and set NSEW from my watch and sun position along with a correction…therefore I choose canteen ( snow, stream water plentiful ) just need something to boil it in if necessary…

3 http://www.silvertechsurplus.com/zcart/images/Magnesium FIRE STARTER.jpg
Fire starter for me…again I have used these without fail on numerous outings…lighter too fragile and too many parts…matches not reliable enough. Anyone willing to try this should know how to make an adequate tinder nest…
4 http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporn/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/model500.jpg
Pistol for me…enough caliber and plenty of rounds…actually more than needed…
5 http://jason-barber.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/oberto_beef_jerky.jpg
Jerky for me…

I’ll take Route 1 for a number of reasons:

June should not be an issue temperature wise; plenty of items to make shelter…

Rappelling routes 2 and 3 look more severe than the risk factor I’m willing to take. I’ll do the extra miles…

Once at the treeline, game is present as well as shelter, firewood, tinder and possible snare trap options for small game, as well as perhaps berries / edibles here also…
( yes, I know large game are most likely there too ! )…

Route traveled by me…I’d go west to 2500’, then north to just southeast of the map title “ Shooner’s Bend “, then northeast to intersect Sterling Highway…

Thanks for this thread…very nice and causes folks to think…

One question…how does one sign up for a go ?
What is the prize to succeed ?
 

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Thank God, someone finally took the Tracker and Gerber. (these are my favorites too)

Yep, the flashlight, whiskey were humor.

1st prize is a free cabin built by Jack London up in the Yukon.
 

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Thank God, someone finally took the Tracker and Gerber. (these are my favorites too)

Yep, the flashlight, whiskey were humor.

1st prize is a free cabin built by Jack London up in the Yukon.
Then a few rounds of Wild Turkey 101 for everyone, in my new cabin! We can light the whole bloody place with that flashlight.:thumb:
 

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Gentle slop usally easyer but would to see map to tell what route to take and if there are trails even in somewhat of the wrong way might take it as they are easyer to take then bush wack a bit i would if the C shape was i was on one side and the c was in the middle between me and the objective i would go along the back side of the mountian if i start in the c i would try to zig zag up and around depends were the start is and were the finish is i might even just walk around the mountain all together as its easyer..

This knife
http://amobhitman.com/files/d_8101.jpg

can be used a choper saw and cuting tool

http://www.sleeping-bags-now.com/desert_canteen.jpg

for water compass tempting but i have gone up montains befor when you on the mountain you climb up a bit and the trees go away because your in the alpine

http://prodimages.branders.com/img/c...r-04826_bs.jpg

The lighter easyer to start fires i would bring some up the montain with me for when i get out of the trees since the alpine harder to find wood

http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporn/w...2/model500.jpg
dump the extra ammo if i need it i wont have time to reload probly not take a gun at all not really need at that time of year plus in the alpine dont see that many bears


the last one hard i hate beef jerky with a passion and spam o its bad.. id take the tent wouldnt have time to set traps or hunt as its a time type event i could go a few days with out food i have experment with it befor usally i take food with me and snack part way on something but if it rains i rather have the tent because when it rains it pours in that area since its a rainforest
 

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Alpine? Not many bears? I am guessing you mean "alpine" in the mountaineering sense, not actually "Alps"...here we have appx 2000' of elevation to the treeline, but from there to the final destination we are looking at bear territory (as mentioned in the description). For example:
Audelio Luis Cortes, 40, male
February 8, 1998
Brown Bear
Killed by a single head bite while working with a seismic crew in the Swanson River oil field near Kenai, Alaska
I would never be worried about "many" bears...I am worried that THE ONE BEAR is one big smelly brown or even black that thinks I am a threat to her cubs...not to mention trekking through their hunting grounds stinking of beef jerky...
Then there are moose...Anyway, not trying to be hyper-critical; I just think you are underestimating your environment!
from Gwin's Lodge:

 
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