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St. Louis alderman calls on residents to get armed

07:34 PM CST on Tuesday, December 2, 2008


ST. LOUIS (AP) -- A St. Louis alderman who says he is frustrated with police response to crime in his neighborhood is calling on residents to arm themselves to protect their lives and property.

Alderman Charles Quincy Troupe said Tuesday he is telling his north St. Louis constituents to acquire guns and learn how to use them.

He said that "God-fearing, law-abiding citizens and homeowners" are being preyed upon by criminals, and that police are ineffective, outnumbered, or don't care.

Troupe, 72, and a former state representative, said many people don't realize they have a constitutional right to bear arms which they can use to fend off an intruder. He supports Missouri's "conceal and carry" weapons law and is recruiting residents to take the required weapons safety course. Troupe said the wrong people own guns.

"We bought the homes, we're paying the taxes and the police and the emergency personnel's salaries," he said. "Why in the hell can't we get relief from criminals? Why do they have all the power, and we don't and we're paying the damn bills?"

He said people are being killed on the impoverished north side, and homes are being broken into and dismantled by scavengers who steal gutters and downspouts, and that school dropouts are robbing people and snatching purses.

Troupe said when he and residents approached the district police commander last year, he said "there was nothing he could do to protect us and the community ... that he didn't have the manpower, he couldn't do it."

St. Louis Police Chief Dan Isom wrote Tuesday in a department blog that guns are not the solution to the city's challenging homicide problem. Citizens arming themselves will lead to more danger, not less, he said.

Neighborhood watch groups, and the hard work of helping to eradicate poverty and other social ills are better crime-prevention tools, he said.

So far this year, St. Louis has had 157 homicides, 33 more than last year at this time.

"My position is simply the police are overtaxed, they are a reactionary force and we need a proactive solution to the problems of our community and our children," Troupe said.

"We haven't addressed children on the front end; now we've got problems on the back end."

University of Missouri-St. Louis criminologist Richard Rosenfeld, who is a visiting professor this fall at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, said Troupe's idea is an understandable response to the spike in homicide in the city, but it's not likely to be effective.

More guns, he said, only compound crime problems in communities already awash with guns.

"Much of the problem is free and easy access to guns," Rosenfeld said. "This hope that by putting guns in the right hands will have an influence on criminals is a false hope. There's no evidence for that."

Mayor Francis Slay wrote in his blog Tuesday that some of the most violent crimes in Troupe's First Ward are committed with guns stolen from law-abiding citizens.

He said Troupe could do more good urging constituents to cooperate with investigating police officers, lending support for activities for children, and lobbying legislators to increase funding for jobs training and economic development.

Fellow Alderman Lyda Krewson called Troupe's idea a "whacky and ineffective response."

"Most of us are really not equipped to handle the seriousness and responsibility of walking around with a gun," she said. "The end result is more guns on the street."

Krewson, whose husband was shot and killed in front of their home in the tony Central West End neighborhood in 1995, said she doesn't mean to diminish the problem of crime.

She said having a gun "would not have changed the outcome of that evening. I personally don't think guns are the answer to this."

The Rev. F. James Clark of Shalom Church in suburban Florissant, who organized an anti-crime march this summer that drew tens of thousands to the streets of St. Louis, said it doesn't make sense to "join up with what you've been fighting."

He said it sounds like Troupe "is frustrated, looking for an answer, just like the rest of us."

(Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
 

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Great coverage... of all of the dissenting opinions that is.

That's nothing new though, coming from the news media.

The line of "Most of us are not equipped to handle the seriousness...of walking around with a gun" is a typical line of thought coming from an elected official.

It's easy to tell people from a desk that they're safe and should only protect themselves by being a good witness and letting the police handle it. Good thing we live in a Republic and have a 2nd Amendment...
 
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Great coverage... of all of the dissenting opinions that is.

That's nothing new though, coming from the news media.

The line of "Most of us are not equipped to handle the seriousness...of walking around with a gun" is a typical line of thought coming from an elected official.

It's easy to tell people from a desk that they're safe and should only protect themselves by being a good witness and letting the police handle it. Good thing we live in a Republic and have a 2nd Amendment...

That is a fact.
When they passed the concealed carry, here in Florida,,,"Blood was goint o run in the streets."
Most crime went down.

When we passed the castle doctrine (ours includes were you ARE) Blood was going to cover the lawn's." etc.

Still waiting.

As posted above almost all the media covered the pro criminal element.
 

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WELL, i must say that fellow was one hell of a speaker and had great answers to those questions. Very level headed and well spoken. Props to the gent.
 

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http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov-stlouis-news-081202-alderman-gets-armed.2474baad.html

St. Louis alderman calls on residents to get armed

07:34 PM CST on Tuesday, December 2, 2008


ST. LOUIS (AP) -- A St. Louis alderman who says he is frustrated with police response to crime in his neighborhood is calling on residents to arm themselves to protect their lives and property.

Alderman Charles Quincy Troupe said Tuesday he is telling his north St. Louis constituents to acquire guns and learn how to use them.

He said that "God-fearing, law-abiding citizens and homeowners" are being preyed upon by criminals, and that police are ineffective, outnumbered, or don't care.

Troupe, 72, and a former state representative, said many people don't realize they have a constitutional right to bear arms which they can use to fend off an intruder. He supports Missouri's "conceal and carry" weapons law and is recruiting residents to take the required weapons safety course. Troupe said the wrong people own guns.

"We bought the homes, we're paying the taxes and the police and the emergency personnel's salaries," he said. "Why in the hell can't we get relief from criminals? Why do they have all the power, and we don't and we're paying the damn bills?"

He said people are being killed on the impoverished north side, and homes are being broken into and dismantled by scavengers who steal gutters and downspouts, and that school dropouts are robbing people and snatching purses.

Troupe said when he and residents approached the district police commander last year, he said "there was nothing he could do to protect us and the community ... that he didn't have the manpower, he couldn't do it."
The police commander acknowledged that the problem exists.

What are the objector's solutions to said problem??

None.

They offer nothing more than knee-jerk criticism.

Typical politicians. :mad:
 

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Here in Alaska when our concealed carry law changed ( any adult ,non- felon) can carry without a permit.
The liberals were screaming " the streets will run with blood". Guess what ? Crime droped. Except those 2 gangbangers who tried their hand at car jacking.
They both won prizes of free body bags from the Alaska State Troopers........
 
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