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"Sons of Guns" Will Hayden, Arrested!

29K views 143 replies 64 participants last post by  Darius379  
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#31 ·
As a veteran cop I can tell you they are capable of some incredibly evil, petty, vicious things. I can't begin to tell you how many false rape reports I've investigated or been a part of over the years. The last one I worked a black female of legal age accused one of her hook up partners of rape when she thought she was pregnant. Why? Because she had to come up with a reason for being pregnant and didn't want her mother to know she was having consensual sex. I mean, what kind of evil do you have to be to be willing to potentially allow a man to sit in prison for decades for something he didn't do, JUST to keep your mom from knowing you're knocking boots?
 
#40 ·
I have a good buddy that has been divorced for a while, but still has a very contentious relationship with his ex, one that can't be avoided because they have a son together.
This friend has been making very good money the past couple years, so the wife is going for an increase in child support, and his attorney advises he pay rather than fight it.
Meanwhile, the wife had forged my friend's name on a check a while back(possibly more than one) and he's been letting it slide. But, after this slimy move from her, he's contacted the insurance company that issued the check, and is about to have her charged with forgery.
I've been telling him that he needs to stash (at least some) of his guns with trusted family or friends because he is highly vulnerable to spurious charges and restraining orders, that could very plausibly result in him having his weapons taken.
He keeps dismissing my concerns, citing the fact that he's done nothing wrong. But I keep trying in vain to get him to grasp the fact that his innocence is completely irrelevant, and any allegations whatsoever from the female will be given the benfit of the doubt, and his favorite toys ARE at risk here.
 
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A liberal once told me that wars are caused because men are inherently violent and things would have been a lot better if we'd just let women be in charge. I said she was probably right, that if women had been in charge from the start there would have been only 1 war in all of human history. It would have started in the Paleolithic, and would still be going on today, with no one remembering why.
 
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One problem I see is the fact that a arrest was made and bond was set. Unless Louisiana has a policy of arresting people based on hearsay testimony I would have to think the Sheriff and DA's office has more evidence than a ex girlfriends word.

Not to say the claim has any merit or can be proven in a court of law. Just something that strikes me as I read the account. Hopefully it comes down to just a case of spite and if it does the ex-girlfriend should be arrested for false accusation and perjury.
 
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I have a friend whose x wife tried blackmailing him for $ above what he had to pay her she was going to have her 2 very young children tell people what daddy did to them. Even though the police got involved and proved she was lieing and setting him up. after the rumor mill had started around town it ruinined his life People he knew for along time quit coming around and others avoided talking to him. He hung himself a year after he was proved innocent. JUST saying this about someone ruined his life and drove him to kill himself and he was a great father and a good man. SHE got probation for the attempted blackmail he left this world a broken man thru no fault of his own. Im sure this go,s on countless times everyday. So wait until its proven before jumping the gun.
 
#34 ·
I can't like this more that once so i guess I'd better reply.

What you have described happens more often than what people would like to admit.

IMHO anyone intentionally falsely accusing someone of a crime should receive the maximum penalty that the falsely accused would have received.

Edit: Do more reading and less rage posting... BoomStick hit it on the head before i got here.
 
#15 ·
In Virginia it is state law that if there is probable cause (i.e. bruises marks ect) then the accused is going to jail. It usually ends up 50/50 male/female that goes to jail. If the office does not take someone to jail and probable cause is determined to exist then the officer loses his job.. they don't mess around anymore here
 
#35 ·
Shall Arrest statutes are ostensibly in place to protect victims by taking "pressing charges" out of their hands (i.e. daddy doesn't post bail and decide to tune up mommy because she had in arrested . . . instead he just tunes her up because she called the cops on him, or kept screaming when he hit her so the neighbors called the cops, or whatever). My personal experiences enforcing them suggests to me there was probably an issue of communities, prosecutors and/or LE agencies getting sick and tired of scenes where people were obviously being abused and denying anything occurred . . . for the third time that night, etc.

At least where I live it's not "any evidence at all" but the law requires that if there is PC to make an arrest in recent (within 12 hrs) DV situations an arrest will be made except under extraordinary/unusual circumstances (and that's almost always with a DA signing off on the exemption). In practice this usually amounts to pretty common sense policing -- you see evidence of an assault, someone goes to jail as long as you can determine a principal aggressor. The only deviation from normal situations is in non-DV misdemeanor assaults or other misdo crimes covered by DV statutes, you might issue a summons versus incarceration, whereas Shall Arrest does mean someone's getting a ride to the jail. Still a ton of disturbance calls with possible DV component that end up with no arrest made and you hoping the idjits involved (whose living room you've been in a half dozen times already about this same stupidity) will at least keep it on a low simmer until after shift change (since you've already given up any expectation they'll get out of their toxic, crappy relationship or otherwise take steps to fix the issues that keep getting the police called to their residence).

In all the domestic calls you've seen, what percentage of the people going to jail are male vs female?
Majority male in my experience, but not by an overwhelming landslide. And some of the worst injuries I've seen were the woman as principal aggressor (using a broken bottle).

The reality I see is that a typical DV call, at least where I live, usually starts with a lot of alcohol on both sides and a progressive slide into stupid. Even when the physical violence is one sided, there's usually hours of "you could have left, or opted to stay here, keep drinking and keep chipping teeth yelling at your husband/wife/whatever." Doesn't mean a crime didn't occur, but the long suffering spouse who lives with an abusive monster who detonates for no reasons or deliberately to control her (or him) is a comparatively uncommon scenario (though it does occur).
 
#25 ·
Especially if they are knowingly falsely accusing someone of child molestation.

The mother should lose custody and have to forfeit any financial worth to the child and go to jail for 20 years. Those kind of false accusations can seriously ruin someone's life(Will's) and if they are proven to do so they should be punished in an equal way.

Things will not be easy for the child either. People will talk and say anything.
 
#29 ·
I dont have a real high opinion of Will, he's lost his FFL from stupidity and oversight, let his daughter marry that slack-jawed dumb-ass, and the fake drama on the show makes him look like a bit of a dip. If allegations are true, I'm sure prison is gonna be real "interesting" for him.

Death penalty would be great for what he's being accused of. IF he's convicted or it looks like trial is going badly, he woulod probably suicide himself, especially if Stephanie admits he did it to her.
 
#33 ·
The only constructive thing I have to add, which I have not read anyone talk about, is that in order to be arrested there would have had to been some "probable cause".

I do not think that an ex employee or ex girlfriend statement alone would be enough to reach this threshold. E-Mail, IMs, video's, or other electronic evidence would be my best guess as to the missing piece of this story. I'd love to read the warrant and or arrest report.

Regards,

Rob
 
#36 ·
When I was a kid, my ol' man told me "Son, don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see". After thirty-five years of LE I've come to see that Dad was an optimist.

Being accused of a crime is a long way from actually being guilty of a crime... and I've even seen an LEO or two booked into jail based on a false accusation.

The worse part about liars is they can never make restitution for the damage they've done (and the Lord believes this is wrong enough to make it the Ninth Commandment).
 
#39 ·
Too recent of an event. Next step should be an arraignment where charges are read and attorney is either appointed or shows up to represent him. Most likely he has one already. Within the next week or two.

After that a preliminary hearing where the DA presents enough evidence to have him held over for trial. This can take several weeks to a couple months.

Then if necessary, a trial.

Might be November or later before it resolves.
 
#43 ·
I cannot stand this guy, i think he is a total d-bag and will be happy to use the word scumbag for the way he talks to people and treats his employees etc. and thinks he's the Good Lord's gift to both guns and television, but it really does sound like his ex tried to screw him by doing this.


if not , he'll get busted for it and go to the slammer, and I won't care because he's not a very nice person and his show is a joke.