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I am both saddened and joyed at the below article. I am joyed that groups like Oath Keepers are reaching out to our brothers and sisters in the Military and Law Enforcement about upholding their Oath to the Constitution of the United States of America. I am joyed that over 100,00 have taken the Oath Keepers Oath.

However, I am truly saddened that the state of affairs we are facing even calls for the need for this Oath and the humble reassurance that it brings.

We are a nation in distress. We are a population living in fear. Fear of our government and in fear of our "leadership."

Until recently, the angry dissapointment of the citizens of our nation was kept beneath the surface. We hoped and prayed that our "leaders" would do the right thing. It is a shame that our voices have not been heard and that this anger which our government stirs is beginning to boil over like a cauldron of vile stew.


Soldiers pledge to refuse disarmament demands
Campaign urges members of military to 'steel resolve' to 'do the right thing'

Posted: March 17, 2009
11:21 pm Eastern


By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

An invitation to soldiers and peace officers across the United States to pledge to refuse illegal orders – including "state of emergency" orders that could include disarming or detaining American citizens – has struck a chord, collecting more than 100,000 website visitors in a little over a week and hundreds of e-mails daily.

Spokesman Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers told WND his organization's goal is to remind military members their oath of allegiance is to the U.S. Constitution, not a particular president.

He said the organization deliberately does not collect the names of those who subscribe to Oath Keepers' beliefs because of their status mostly as active duty soldiers.

He told WND he is scheduled to talk about the issue on G. Gordon Liddy's radio program tomorrow at 10:30 a.m. Eastern Time, and he's begun working with "Gathering of Eagles" on several projects, including a Pro Troop Events gathering scheduled in Washington in June.

Rhodes said his goal is to "teach them more about what they swore to defend so they will be better able to see when an order violates the Constitution and the rights of the people, and is thus unlawful."

That review must be done immediately, so they have an opportunity to decide what is right and wrong and then to "steel their resolve to take a stand and do the right thing, whatever the cost," the organization says.


The U.S., Rhodes noted to WND, was launched as a natural law republic, meaning the founders recognized all rights come from God, not the government.

The founders, many of whom ended up active militarily in the revolution, rebelled "against the principle" that a king or parliament could rule them.

"That's where we are. We want to make sure men in the military understand in advance what the line is they won't cross," Rhodes said.

One testimonial posted by an active duty Army soldier, who was kept anonymous, said that message already has gotten through.

"I want you guys to know I'm with you 100 percent and so are a lot of my fellow soldiers. These kinds of discussions go on between us often, and we all know that we did not swear an oath to any politician (of either party)," he wrote.

"And just for the record not me or anyone else in my platoon would ever follow an order to disarm the American people," he wrote.

The organization describes itself as a non-partisan group of members of the military as well as peace officers "who will fulfill our oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God."

Among the orders the soldiers are pledging NOT to obey:


We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people. … Any such order today would also be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason. We will not make war on our own people, and we will not commit treason by obeying any such treasonous order.


We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects – such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons. … We expect that warrantless searches of homes and vehicles, under some pretext, will be the means used to attempt to disarm the people.


We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as "unlawful enemy combatants" or to subject them to trial by military tribunal. … Any attempt to apply the laws of war to American civilians, under any pretext, such as against domestic "militia" groups the government brands "domestic terrorists," is an act of war and an act of treason.


We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a "state of emergency" on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state's legislature and governor. … It is the militia of a state and of the several states that the Constitution contemplates being used in any context, during any emergency within a state, not the standing army.


We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.


We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps. … Such tactics … by the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto, and by the Imperial Japanese in Nanking, turn[ed] entire cities into death camps. Any such order to disarm and confine the people of an American city will be an act of war and thus an act of treason.


We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext. … Such a vile order to forcibly intern Americans without charges or trial would be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason, regardless of the pretext used.


We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to "keep the peace" or to "maintain control" during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.


We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.


We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
"We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic," the organization's website states. "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually affirm our oath and pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."

Rhodes said the organization has not even had time to complete its website, but the word is spreading so quickly through its blog that thousands of people are investigating the site each day.

Plans had been to wait on the campaign until a website was established, but recent events accelerated the effort, he said.

One such situation was a training exercise planned by the National Guard in Iowa on which WND reported.

Rhodes said the effort is not a response to President Obama or his policies.

He said the accumulation of power in the executive branch in recent years has been alarming. The fears crystallized when Obama took office and suddenly had access to the accumulated power.

That, he said, is a "powderkeg."

"We do feel in our hearts that this effort has the potential to change history for the better and to forestall or even prevent this nation from ever experiencing the horrors that plagued so many other nations in the 20th Century," the website says.

"We are convinced that it is not too late, that there can be a turning of the tide – if we (and that means you too!) can reach enough of our brothers in arms and remind them of their oath, teach them more about what it is they swore to defend, and steel their resolves to stand firm if/when their oath is tested. We feel honor bound to do all we possibly can to achieve that mission."

WND already has reported on several members of the U.S. military who have raised concerns about the implications of Obama's possible ineligibility to be commander-in-chief.

One officer who signed onto a case filed by attorney Orly Taitz, the California activist with the Defend Our Freedoms Foundation, immediately was ordered by his commanders not to speak to the media.

The officer's identity was withheld to prevent further actions against him.

Taitz said she's working with more than 100 members of the military in her case.

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91530
 

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Thats comforting.

Imagine if the right thing to do was also the popular thing. I hope this gets passed around so that every solider and LEO gets a chance to learn about it and make their pledge.
 

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It is disturbing that such actions and statements are necessary here at home, but I am very grateful that our fellow Americans in the Armed Services are AWARE of these concerns and are taking a stand for us, even on our own soil.

I feel comforted, similar to the effect training and preparation has, but I am not going to drop my guard, instead I am taking this news as confirmation that SHTF is more real than ever.
 

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Stop kidding yourselves...When it gets down to brass tacks the military will follow the orders of their superiors to the letter and so will LEOs. This is what they are trained to do. Sure there will be some defectors but not enough to make any sort of difference, no matter what petition they sign.
 

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Stop kidding yourselves...When it gets down to brass tacks the military will follow the orders of their superiors to the letter and so will LEOs. This is what they are trained to do. Sure there will be some defectors but not enough to make any sort of difference, no matter what petition they sign.
That's right. And even sadder, the average citizen who will be packed up at 4 AM and taken to a detention center to be 'detained for his/her own safety' in the face of whatever manufactured 'crisis' is used as the official excuse, will happily go along believing that the gov't couldn't possibly have an ulterior motive. Just like it was at Auschwitz, most people won't realize it for what it is until they're being led to the showers.
 

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That's right. And even sadder, the average citizen who will be packed up at 4 AM and taken to a detention center to be 'detained for his/her own safety' in the face of whatever manufactured 'crisis' is used as the official excuse, will happily go along believing that the gov't couldn't possibly have an ulterior motive. Just like it was at Auschwitz, most people won't realize it for what it is until they're being led to the showers.
Ugh. :eek:

I can only hope this is not the case, but the jury is still out on this one, as far as I am concerned.

Why?

We are not going quietly, as evidenced by the (continued and accelerating?) mass sales of firearms and ammo and the increasing number of "tea parties"....

We also have independent press and much greater means of communication now than at any other point in recorded history before us--thanks to the Internet.

I would begin to worry more once the Internet starts being watered down.

(Not that the powers that be aren't trying.......watch whom owns who and who those owners decide to assist with information requests/feeds.)
 

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We are in for one hell of a ride here guys and gals, If a 60-75% majority stick to their orders were cooked, call it what you will but absolute power corrupts absolutely. Our president is taking unprecedented steps toward making a government that has absolute control over all aspects of your everyday life, I don't know where this will end but it is not going to end in our favor, of that you can rest assured. The one with all the toys makes the rules of the game.
 

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Ugh. :eek:

I can only hope this is not the case, but the jury is still out on this one, as far as I am concerned.

Why?

We are not going quietly, as evidenced by the (continued and accelerating?) mass sales of firearms and ammo and the increasing number of "tea parties"....

We also have independent press and much greater means of communication now than at any other point in recorded history before us--thanks to the Internet.

I would begin to worry more once the Internet starts being watered down.

(Not that the powers that be aren't trying.......watch whom owns who and who those owners decide to assist with information requests/feeds.)
Firearms sales aside, most people are not aspiring Rambos...most will hand them over. Anyone who doesn't will be labeled an extremist 'gun nut' and domestic terrorist.

As for our 'independent media', they're almost universally loyal to Obama...and largely responsible for him winning the election in the first place.
 

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Firearms sales aside, most people are not aspiring Rambos...most will hand them over. Anyone who doesn't will be labeled an extremist 'gun nut' and domestic terrorist.
You're probably right for all the suburbanites who never fired a weapon before but bought one to put in the closet for "talisman" effect or worse those who bought after November last year in hopes to "flip" their guns fo profit if/when AWB part II was pushed, but let's hope they're not the only type of gun owner there is :)

I'm banking on a lot of angry old guys who remember an America before the fascists solidified their power. There are guys who are veterans of either armed services or law enforcement, old enough to have already lost those they care about, but not so old as to be incapable of fighting.

As for our 'independent media', they're almost universally loyal to Obama...and largely responsible for him winning the election in the first place.
And just to clarify, by 'independent media', I'm talking about truly independent media, that isn't owned by the international banksters and play at informing/disinforming us.

So to me, ABC/Disney, CBS, NBC/GE (in all it's forms), Fox, and CNN are not "independent".... hell neither are AP or Reuters.

I'm thinking more of places like WND and the various Internet-only outlets. Some may criticize Alex Jones, but I like InfoWars too.

And don't forget the "word of mouth" effect that Internet based communities, like this one have as well. :)
 

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I have such mixed feelings about the Oath Keepers. My 1st thought was.... whew... relief... we're gonna be OK afterall.

Then I thought.. wait a minute! does this just confirm that our risk of SHTF is elevated? Me thinks it is. That doesn't comfort me at all.

Then I got to thinking about how the news is constantly bombarded with stories about bully's with badges, assaulting the peasants. There are days I swear the corrupt cops outnumber the decent ones. The corrupt cops could care less about the Oath Keepers.
That does not offer me comfort.

Then you got a military full of young kids. Some of these kids are fresh out of high school. Will these kids REALLY disobey an order?

Considering all the cops and military with young families... if they disobey an order, they lose their job... NO INCOME for their young families. That alone could be the defining factor.

As much as I respect the Oath Keepers, I doubt it will make a difference. I also think we like-minded people are outnumbered, compared to the sleeping sheeple masses. Therefore, I doubt a bullets and blood Revolution will happen.

I think we will just quietly get walked to our future, psychologically handcuffed, and all.
 

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The orders won't make it to the guys at the bottom.

This conversation came up while I was at FT. Bragg the past few days (off base in a bar) I was drinking with a few mid level officers I work with frequently, and both agreed, if the order is given to arrest / detain / illegally search / illegally seize upon Americans, that the guns will be turned upon those giving those orders, as well as those who follow them. All the guys I was with confirmed an oath to the Constitution not a politician as well as a legal and moral duty to refuse illegal orders and arrest / detain those who issue them.
 
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The orders won't make it to the guys at the bottom.

This conversation came up while I was at FT. Bragg the past few days (off base in a bar) I was drinking with a few mid level officers I work with frequently, and both agreed, if the order is given to arrest / detain / illegally search / illegally seize upon Americans, that the guns will be turned upon those giving those orders, as well as those who follow them. All the guys I was with confirmed an oath to the Constitution not a politician as well as a legal and moral duty to refuse illegal orders and arrest / detain those who issue them.
I sincerely hope you are right
 
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