Survivalist Forum banner
1 - 20 of 30 Posts

· Registered
Joined
·
1 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I ended up on the site because I'm new to long term food storage and I saw a thread where back in 2012 y'all were talking about these sort of potatoes. I'm interested in storing them in Mylar bags but I'm new to it. Someone (I think they had the name "Old") said they had tried it and said get back to me in 10 years to see how they lasted. Well it's been 10 years, so how about those potatoes? Are they any good still? My concern was that they contained oil, and I have no idea how some of this really works so I didn't know if it would spoil because of it. Also someone mentioned something about a dangerous melamine knockoff something, and I have no idea what this is, like maybe it's in the absorbers or maybe it's the bags, I have no idea but it had me worried and I can't seem to find any info on it, so if anyone has any info I would appreciate it, thanks.
Food Ingredient Recipe Cuisine Dish

Font Terrestrial plant Screenshot
 

· Registered
Joined
·
1,074 Posts
When considering any packaged convenience food (mashed potatoes, mac & cheese, dried creamy soup mixes, etc), be on the look out for oil. The added oil WILL go rancid in the short term and therefore, is not suitable for long term storage (LTS)
In the this case for mashed potatoes consider storing something like Bob’s Mashed Potatoes. Notice in the ingredients, there‘s no oil. This will do very well for LTS packed in Mylar w/ 02 absorbers.

Font Material property Parallel Document Number
 

· reluctant sinner
Joined
·
23,410 Posts
I have tried those Idahoan processed spuds, they taste fairly good - seems like a lot of chemicals in there too me. Back in the day they had just regular potatoes in metal #10 can - they lasted for a long time until you opened the can. They didn't taste as good but were a lot healthier to eat IMHO.

I haven't tried the dried hash browns in the milk cartons yet - people tell me they are good.

I grew some yukon golds this year. I might try pressure canning some sort stew this year.
 

· Super Moderator
Trash Remover
Joined
·
7,790 Posts
This exactly

When considering any packaged convenience food (mashed potatoes, mac & cheese, dried creamy soup mixes, etc), be on the look out for oil. The added oil WILL go rancid in the short term and therefore, is not suitable for long term storage (LTS)
In the this case for mashed potatoes consider storing something like Bob’s Mashed Potatoes. Notice in the ingredients, there‘s no oil. This will do very well for LTS packed in Mylar w/ 02 absorbers.

View attachment 464813
 

· ICBM Warrior
Joined
·
1,328 Posts
I have tried those Idahoan processed spuds, they taste fairly good - seems like a lot of chemicals in there too me. Back in the day they had just regular potatoes in metal #10 can - they lasted for a long time until you opened the can. They didn't taste as good but were a lot healthier to eat IMHO.

I haven't tried the dried hash browns in the milk cartons yet - people tell me they are good.

I grew some yukon golds this year. I might try pressure canning some sort stew this year.
The hash browns in the milk cartons are fantastic! I repack them in glass jars/canning lids and vacuum seal them. Will do mylar in the future.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
3,331 Posts
The hash browns in the milk cartons are fantastic! I repack them in glass jars/canning lids and vacuum seal them. Will do mylar in the future.
They are tasty. Hungry Jack has no oil added, Idahoan Foods has sunflower oil as the second ingredient after potatoes. So I would expect HJ to last longer. Or Idaho Spuds (not to be confused with Idahoan) which also have no added oils.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
1,681 Posts
Even the one that are just potatoes will go bad after a while. I opened a box tonight exp Jul 2022, stored two summers in 100 depreee temps {Texas, no a/c}. While not rancid, they were grainy & didn't blend up right no matter what I tried. The flavor was sub-par at best even after doctoring up. They're bound for the compost bin I think.
 

· ICBM Warrior
Joined
·
1,328 Posts
Even the one that are just potatoes will go bad after a while. I opened a box tonight exp Jul 2022, stored two summers in 100 depreee temps {Texas, no a/c}. While not rancid, they were grainy & didn't blend up right no matter what I tried. The flavor was sub-par at best even after doctoring up. They're bound for the compost bin I think.
Could it be humidity/moisture got into the carton, since they're not "airtight"?
 

· Registered
Joined
·
9,146 Posts
Could it be humidity/moisture got into the carton, since they're not "airtight"?
Wouldn't need that for anything stored at over 100 degrees to go bad in a fairly short time. Just look at the advertised shelf life for MREs at various temps. Four years at 60 degrees goes down to 6 months at 100 degrees and 2 months at 110. You simply cannot do food storage at high temperatures. High humidity that can get in through plastic or whatever will speed degradation up, but high temperature in the world's driest desert will do it all on its own.



Plain dehydrated potatoes store well as long as you have decent storage conditions. Any of the flavor-added stuff doesn't, and a year's the limit if it's listing oil in the ingredients.

Store your food cool and store it as single unadulterated ingredients for the best results.
 

· Super Moderator
Trash Remover
Joined
·
7,790 Posts
Which is exactly why I try to keep the storage rooms(whole house actually) 68-73 year 'round (cool as wife can enjoy the place LOL) So long as we have power that is my goal, after that we'll see .
 

· Registered
Joined
·
1,681 Posts
Wouldn't need that for anything stored at over 100 degrees to go bad in a fairly short time. Just look at the advertised shelf life for MREs at various temps. Four years at 60 degrees goes down to 6 months at 100 degrees and 2 months at 110. You simply cannot do food storage at high temperatures. High humidity that can get in through plastic or whatever will speed degradation up, but high temperature in the world's driest desert will do it all on its own.



Plain dehydrated potatoes store well as long as you have decent storage conditions. Any of the flavor-added stuff doesn't, and a year's the limit if it's listing oil in the ingredients.

Store your food cool and store it as single unadulterated ingredients for the best results.
While I agree with you overall, it is quite possible to store things in high temps as long as it's not all year. I've been dealing with it for 10 years now - we average around 100 days a year over 100. Do I get long term storage for multiple years? No. But I can and do get around 2 years usually. My house doesn't allow me to heat & cool outside of the bedrooms cost-effectively. It would cost far more in electric than I lose in heat loss each year.

It is possible it was humidity, but more likely it was heat loss. They were on an upper shelf which usually gets the worst of the heat, in original box. It's also possible it was product error - my daughter commented that she remembered us getting grainy mashed potatoes during early covid which would have been around the time of purchase.
 

· Wildlife Proctologist
Joined
·
3,026 Posts
I ended up on the site because I'm new to long term food storage and I saw a thread where back in 2012 y'all were talking about these sort of potatoes. I'm interested in storing them in Mylar bags but I'm new to it. Someone (I think they had the name "Old") said they had tried it and said get back to me in 10 years to see how they lasted. Well it's been 10 years, so how about those potatoes? Are they any good still? My concern was that they contained oil, and I have no idea how some of this really works so I didn't know if it would spoil because of it. Also someone mentioned something about a dangerous melamine knockoff something, and I have no idea what this is, like maybe it's in the absorbers or maybe it's the bags, I have no idea but it had me worried and I can't seem to find any info on it, so if anyone has any info I would appreciate it, thanks

I noticed this was your first post.…..Welcome aboard and stick around for a while.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Offrink and Texas23

· Registered
Joined
·
850 Posts
We pressure can home grown potatoes.. We also keep a quantity of plain potato flakes.. These never go bad and you can flavor them in many ways..

Most any "box, complete" item has a limited life... Sweetie does use quite old cake mixes in a box... She is an excellent judge of how much extra baking powder and or baking soda to add to make the mix useful...
 

· Registered
Joined
·
9,146 Posts
Of the instant potatoes other than Bob's Red Mill plain flakes and a now discontinued South American brand, I have found only these to store well (and be free of objectionable ingredients). The butter added is apparently a very tiny amount to replace the usual mono- and diglycerides as these keep well, have only 0.5 g fat per serving, and you need to add the usual butter as well as milk when reconstituting. They do well for mid-term storage. For really long-term, I'd stick with BRM's plain flakes.
Ingredients: Idaho® potatoes, butter, and sea salt.
Nutrition Label
2/3 dry oz = 1/2 cup serving (~38 servings per 26 oz food service pouch, 8 pouches/box)
 

· Registered
Joined
·
9,146 Posts
A lot of people love the taste of chemical fake food these days, even much prefer it to the original article.

The above-mentioned plain and salt-and-tiny-amount-of-butter-only flakes can be turned into a reasonable semblance of mashed potatoes. Neither is the equal of the, alas, now discontinued Dona Inez instant criolla potato granules made in Peru. Those convinced me it is possible to produce really good instant potatoes; it just isn't done by the mega food corporations that are generally the only suppliers. All the added flavorings in most offerings are not only for convenience, but to disguise how ****-poor the actual instant potato flavor is in those.

I agree with you that the (plain dehydrated) shredded hash browns* are probably the best of the dehydrated storage potato offerings and also cook up quicker than any other form. Dehydrated precooked papa seca are also good, although you need to remember to set those to soak in cold water overnight or for the day if you want to cook them up in 5 minutes. Either cooked/rehydrated and run through a food mill can make mashed potatoes or add some flavor and interest to the instant flakes.

ETA: Canned potatoes soak up some extra water, so if trying to use those for mashed, make up your milk to only evaporated or even double evaporated strength to keep from ending up with a watery mess.

* However, any seasoned hash browns with added oil and other ingredients will not fare better in storage than similarly doctored up potato flakes. Those Idahoan hash browns in cartons have this ingredient list:
Idaho® potatoes, sunflower oil, salt, dextrose, onion powder, monoglycerides, calcium stearoyl lactylate. Freshness preserved by sodium acid pyrophosphate and sodium bisulfite.
Like the seasoned potato flakes, these are not suitable for anything other than short-term pantry storage (assuming you don't object to the ingredient list). And one of the reasons so many people love them is that, as with so much other highly processed food these days, they have sugar added as well as oil and salt.

When posting here, I sometimes forget what adulterated fast-food forms of things exist because I just never buy or eat such. You can buy dehydrated hash browns that are just potatoes with sodium bisulfite to keep them white when dried. You can also make your own papa seca version by precooking before shredding, which avoids the need of anything to keep them from turning brown in the dehydrator. I think plain dehydrated hash browns are the best form of dehydrated storage potato on offer, just as I think unadulterated lard is one of the best storage fats. However, that doesn't mean the form of either you will find in your supermarket is what I'm talking about. :)
 

· Registered
Joined
·
9,146 Posts
NOTE added to above:

Honeyville is still selling dehydrated hash browns that are just potatoes will a little sodium bisulfite to keep them white.

Rainy Day Foods, alas, has gone to selling this: Potato (DRY), corn starch, dextrose, onion powder, freshness preserved with: sodium bisulfite and BHT.

I don't need corn starch or sugar in my potatoes, let alone BHT, and can add my own onion powder. This is just another reminder for me that if you care what is in your food, you need to read the ingredient label each and every time you purchase from any seller. In many cases you need to dehydrate or otherwise prepare your own now. Sigh.

Further note that Honeyville currently shows out of stock. Whether they will be selling the same hash browns when they can restock, you would need to check. None of the usual storage food sellers are growing and/or processing what goes into their cans. They are buying on the wholesale market, choices restricted to what's on offer. As more and more agribusinesses offer only adulterated/additive-filled choices, more and more that's what you will find in those cans and buckets. Read the labels, support those still selling real unadulterated food if you care about that.
 

· Pisticus Veritas
Very Prepared!!
Joined
·
71,680 Posts
I ended up on the site because I'm new to long term food storage and I saw a thread where back in 2012 y'all were talking about these sort of potatoes. I'm interested in storing them in Mylar bags but I'm new to it. Someone (I think they had the name "Old") said they had tried it and said get back to me in 10 years to see how they lasted. Well it's been 10 years, so how about those potatoes? Are they any good still? My concern was that they contained oil, and I have no idea how some of this really works so I didn't know if it would spoil because of it. Also someone mentioned something about a dangerous melamine knockoff something, and I have no idea what this is, like maybe it's in the absorbers or maybe it's the bags, I have no idea but it had me worried and I can't seem to find any info on it, so if anyone has any info I would appreciate it, thanks.
View attachment 464805
View attachment 464804
Waitress: "What are you having today sir?"

Me: "How about some chemicals -- well done -- and a side of potatoes." "Thanks." "Oh ... and a coffee."
 
1 - 20 of 30 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top