Survivalist Forum banner

1 - 20 of 98 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,784 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
What would be your recommendation for a "sniper rifle" ? Not a 50 cal. to hit a target 2 miles away ... just an ordinary / run of the mill rifle that could be used reliably for sniping. Also, what scope / other furniture would you suggest ?
 

·
What hell, pay attention
Joined
·
7,910 Posts
Ive had a number of Remington and Savage bolt guns that were basically just "varmint" guns, that shot great, as they came, right out of the box. Put a reasonable scope on them and Id say with something like that, you'd probably be good to go for anything you might have in mind.

"Anything" can be used to snipe with if need be, and you dont have to dump a bunch of money into things, to make it work. If you look at a lot of older military "snipers", they were nothing fancy, and simply standard rifles fitted with a scope.

Something to consider about extras and ad ons that are supposed to improve things. A lot of times those things actually degrade performance than improve it. It'll look cool though.

Then you have the "capability" thing. The people who usually benefit from tuned guns that wring out the accuracy potential are those who will swap your gun for theirs in a match, and still clean your clock with no troubles. You cant by "skill".

If you have a decent shooter, Id spend the money on ammo and practice, and from field positions, and youll be way better off, than someone who dumps the same money into the gun.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,240 Posts
While I appreciate the idea of a good bolt action gun and understand that they should have a little more speed and accuracy, I would rather have a semi auto magazine fed rifle. Faster follow up for the average person, more capacity, and a 2” group at 300 yards instead of 1 1/2” isn’t that big of a deal when we are talking about a man sized target.
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
11,403 Posts
just an ordinary / run of the mill rifle that could be used reliably for sniping.

Looks like you answered the question yourself.

Any reliable gun that will shoot MOA, in a large enough caliber to be effective at your maximum range, with a solid bright scope that is either easy to adjust for range, or has some sort of BDC reticle, and a stock that fits you...well, that's a sniper rifle, if you are a sniper. :thumb:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
135 Posts
If you had the skillset and ability to hit a target 2 miles away you wouldn't need to ask such a silly question .
Two miles is not " rifle " distance it is get on the radio and call for fire distance . Or simply go the other way and leave them well enough alone .
 

·
Retired Army
Joined
·
5,529 Posts
What would be your recommendation for a "sniper rifle" ? Not a 50 cal. to hit a target 2 miles away ... just an ordinary / run of the mill rifle that could be used reliably for sniping. Also, what scope / other furniture would you suggest ?
If you had the skillset and ability to hit a target 2 miles away you wouldn't need to ask such a silly question .
Two miles is not " rifle " distance it is get on the radio and call for fire distance . Or simply go the other way and leave them well enough alone .
In all fairness FarmDad, he did say "Not a 50 cal. to hit a target 2 miles away ...". Just sayin'.

Al
 

·
That'll be the day...
Joined
·
3,456 Posts
The extreme military snipers like 300 Win Mag. I wanted a 1 mile to 2k yard plinker, but didn't want the heavy recoil and I can't stand an M-break.

I opted for 7mm Rem Mag in a Remington 700 platform. Nearly every gun will shoot the Berger ELD 160's and they have phenomenal BC's....good to well over 1k yards. If you get a custom barrel, the 195's are just unbelievable.....



Great reference on the 195: http://www.bergerbullets.com/7mm-195gr-extreme-outer-limits-elite-hunter/




.......
 

·
If I had a voice I'd sing
Joined
·
7,138 Posts
I'd just do it like these guys. They like the Savage model 10. Then you have a good hunting rifle that can also serve as a "sniper" rifle when the zombies come.

The "$1,000" in the titles includes the rifle, scope, rings and anything else they bought to build the gun.

.
.
 

·
That'll be the day...
Joined
·
3,456 Posts
Rem 700 LR, 7mm RM, Vortex 6.5-24x44 (30mm), Timney Elite Trigger (8oz), 20+ MOA Base, 14lb,2oz.

$1,200 for the whole enchilada, cause I did my own bedding. With stock barrel it would shoot the heck out of the 168's.

My best group of 5 were..... wait for it....... 0.44"


Pains me that I sold it...... for $800. After my motorcycle crash with broken back, I just couldn't take the recoil. Slowly, I am getting back in the sport.


 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,314 Posts
So easiest way to have a sniper rifle based on your data is to purchase either a Winchester or Browning bolt action with the BOSS configuration. 243, 7mm-08, 270, 30-06, WSMs, 7mm Mag, 300 mag, 338 mag. All are available on Gun Broker. The BOSS system allows you to select your bullet weight/configuration/load and dial the harmonics of the barrel to give you 1 MOA and less. All three of mine give one very small ragged whole. It takes time to fine tune it but easily done. Rifles between 500 and 1200 dollars every day. Often with high dollar scopes. You can still buy the CR end that reduces the blast back to normal loudness on most rifles if you so desire.
 

·
American fearmaker
Joined
·
14,240 Posts
I would suggest a decent semi-automatic rifle with a decent scope mounted on it. The rifle should shoot a medium weight and diameter bullet of match grade or high quality ammunition for consistent accuracy. The round is zeroed to your eyesight, rifle and scope after the rifle is broke in with the shooting of between 500 to 1,000 rounds through it.

The breaking in period of the rifle allows the moving parts to mesh and "form fit" to each other as they move back and forth. After about 500 rounds the rifle, with a glass bedded barrel in it, should be able, at 25 yards/meters, to deliver cloverleaf or what appears to be single shot bullet holes when 3, 4 or even 5 shot groups are fired. This kind of accuracy is capable when a properly trained shooter is behind a good rifle loaded with good ammo and a decent scope.

So it all comes together as training of the shooter, a good rifle, a good caliber/millimeter, good ammo and a good scope. That's what makes a sniper system.

Calibers for a good sniper rifle include: 6.5 Grendel, .308/7.62 NATO National Match, 30.06 Armor Piercing Ammo (This was the round that many USMC snipers preferred to use since WW2 on for their M-1D, M-1C and scoped bolt action rifles like the Remingtons and older military rifles.)

If you have a budget restriction, do like the Filipino Marines did. They opted to use reconditioned M-16 rifles in .223 caliber using 62 grain bullets with scopes mounted on them for sniping. They use these rifles out to about 750 or 800 meters and are getting decent results with them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Scout_Sniper_Rifle

http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Marine_Scout_Sniper_Rifle
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,920 Posts
The OP needs to realistically assess his knowledge, skill and ability and to define his requirement. In my younger days I shot high Expert or low Master scores with an M1 Garand Type 2 National Match firing M72 ammo issued on the line and we shot iron sights back to 1000 yards. Back then I shot very acceptable scores at Infantry trophy firing the Garand with iron sights back to 600 yards and usually scored enough hits on all of my targets to score bonus points.

I fired on the Atlantic Fleet team which first fired the M16 at Camp Perry in the NTI and NTT, using spun and selected XM287 68-grain heavy ball leftover from the Stoner 63 program. Today's 5.56mm rifles and ammo are better than we had in the early 1970s. But any way you slice it the penetration and lethality of any 5.56mm ammunition is going to be very marginal compared to a cal. .30 or 7.62mm platform, once the range appreciably exceeds 300 yards or meters. The difference between 5.56 and 7.62mm or cal. .30 is VERY apparent once you get to 500 and back. You demonstrate this easily by counting how many rounds it takes to chew a grenade sized hole through eight inches of solid masonry with your poodle shooter versus a Garand firing WW2 era APM2. About three 30-round magazines vs. three 8-round clips if you shoot a good group.

The trained military sniper will choose the platform suited to his AO and experience. Because you are asking the question, I presume you are new to this and wanting to learn from others here, so I offer the opinion of an old fudd. If looking for a safe and reliable rifle which is accurate enough to provide 300 meter head shots approaching 0.9 level of confidence in a first round hit and to also perform hunting duty, an accurized Garand, M1A, or AR10 can all do the job. The FAL and G3 less so in my experience.

A good boltgun is also a viable choice, but requires much more training and practice to become proficient. For a new shooter the semi-auto is easier to master. But you then are more limited in ammunition selection. If handloading ammunition for it you must become knowledgeable and technically proficient, because novice level experimentation isn't going to cut it.

My two cents.
 

·
Retired Army
Joined
·
5,529 Posts
I am assuming, since this is a survivalist board, that we are talking about after the SHTF. Based on that I offer this:

First of all, if the SHTF I would rather not be shooting at folks at great distances. It seems that it would be best to avoid that scenario. Also, if it wasn't SHTF it would be hard to prove self defense if you are sniping folks.

Second, virtually any centerfire hunting rifle with a quality scope would probably fit the bill if you just had to shoot at someone a good distance away. Provided it was in good condition and properly sighted in.

My Bull barrel .223 AR below can effectively take out Prairie Dogs between 0-400 yards. I am confident that if I had the element of surprise, I could hit a human at those distances and, then some, all day long.

I haven't got the hours behind the PA-10 below that I have behind the bull barrel but, I am satisfied that it will accomplish the same results.






Al
 

·
What hell, pay attention
Joined
·
7,910 Posts
First of all, if the SHTF I would rather not be shooting at folks at great distances. It seems that it would be best to avoid that scenario.

Al
I always wonder about this too. And for some other reasons besides what you listed.

Seems a lot of people who have large caliber "sniper" rifles, think that just having them, will make them some sort of Carlos Hathcock type shooter, practice or not. Im betting most dont even get to take advantage of that surprise they just lost. ;)


Personally, Id prefer closer range ambush on my terms and where I have more control, and Im comfortable and capable of making quick, good shots on multiple targets if necessary.

I always thought something like a suppressed Ruger 10-22 would be a perfect gun. More accurate than they should be for the money, and headshots out to 100 yards with no perceptible noise. Gun, scope, can, and tax stamp for less than most large caliber rifles alone. Cheap practice too, as long as theres not another panic. :rolleyes:

An AR in 300BO with a larger .308 can on it works quite well too, but still "noisey".

Sniping isnt always necessarily "long range", and if you arent willing to regularly practice that type of shooting, youre really just wasting your money on all that stuff you "think" you need to get there.
 

·
Retired Army
Joined
·
5,529 Posts
AR 10.



Much safer than shooting at them at close distances.
Might be safer at closer distances since your hit probability would go up.
Personally I would avoid any contact that I need not be involved in.

Al
 
1 - 20 of 98 Posts
Top