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I'll throw this at you. I'm tired, so excuse the spelling and incomplete thought processes contained within.

The secret weapon is FUN. Create a community to affords the individual the chance to dance, create art and express themselves through socialization and you can avoid the horrors of post SHTF existance. Why does this have to be a situation where we all hide and detach from each other, hoping to maybe barter efficently as we keep the baddies at bay. I say; create a community of happiness and safety and you're numbers will grow to the point of forming a defense in itself. I'm not trying to go all hippy on y'all, I'm being serious here. Think about it. Let's just quit playing the game with the govt' now, why wait until marshall law is enacted and the war pops off in the wal-mart parking lot? Most of you have the knowledge to survive in isolation, why wouldn't it be prudent to spread you knowledge into an organized division of labor? Force multiplier, anyone? Internal conflict created by excessive co-inhabitants, you say? Focus on morale through the arts and social interaction and you have some undeniable leverage. Out to the scary, war-torn country side with you, Mr. sour attitude. Also, imagine a safe place to keep your family while you venture into crazy town to barter or search for supplies. Sounds shady now, not so much when you consider the alternative. Besides, your kids might have fun. So my assertion is "good, fall apart oppressive government and consumer culture, as for me and mine, well be enjoying life". Why is this not possible. You'll soon have a civilian population in this country that has completly given up on this sytem, looking for something different. The ground will still grow food, water can still be cleansed, wood still makes for mighty fine shelter, and 30 hands in the field are better than one. You say "they'll find us if we amass in groups". Then be blameless (check "the Bible"). Taxes? We don't have any income. Property tax (minimal - acquired through bartering of excess goods) insubordination? (fly a flag - meaningless anyhow at that point). Unprovoked attack? (rather be with a group of a few hundred than isolated in the woods with my family.

Point is, why not take this opportunity to start something better? As soon as the mask of "patriotism" is removed for all to see what it really is, will not the masses be open for suggestion? Will they not long for a livible life after depression and oppression has just about killed them?

This is a very general concept (minus details, provided upon request) which is being constructed with the help of those who contribute here (via posts). Call it trolling, if you must, but it is being built. So after you're done with the criticism and (frankly, up to this point uncreative) ridicule of me, contribute constructivly regarding why this won't work. It's time to quit the game. I'm done. What about you? We don't have to wait to see what the stock market does or who wins the election. They are stalling us out, nothing more. Take it to the basics, but don't neglect the power of community. Food, water, shelter, fun, safety. No paycheck needed. Just preparation and initial investment. Beats the alternative, right? So, let me have it. I'm prepared.
 

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I ran into such a group in Baltimore a few years ago check them out,

http://www.zendik.org/
Technically, that is called a commune. Of course, the idea is ideal but the application has been flaud at best in each attempt for the past century.

1. If you remain small enough to function without a system of law then you are just acting as an extended family.

2. If you become medium sized, then there is far to often the history that it becomes a macro system leading to too ill of an effect. Someone always possitions as the leader and imposses a central will. That is the exact same thing we are attempting to avoid as a whole.

3. Too big and besides having failen to the natural order of a leader-follower/ group mentallity, you become a "threat" to the common society and get stomped before you can create a "wave" from a ripple.
 

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Sounds like you should avoid drinking the coolaid to me. ;)

 

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Neat , clean and accurate.

You're right, and so are the posts above; unfortunately. What separates your idealistic life from the problems pointed out above? Do I get a choice between lime and raspberry with your koolaid? The mind and intent of the leader or leadership is key.

Your concept would lead thousands to your lifestyle at the end of the world. Today your concept looks truly cultist. As a commune you might have a chance if you pushed 'green living'; it's the current thing.

But don't get me wrong, I'd take that life in a second if my world was different and I trusted the purveyor. Could I take my wife and two kids? I don't think so, they deserve a choice as well. Why do I have any hesitation? I'm really not sure but that's the key, why does that lifestyle work for me and not work for my kids and spouse?

I won't put it all on you, it raises an interesting question on me as well.

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Point is, why not take this opportunity to start something better? As soon as the mask of "patriotism" is removed for all to see what it really is, will not the masses be open for suggestion? Will they not long for a livible life after depression and oppression has just about killed them?
Casper, whether you realize it or not, you are describing the Hegellian dialectical process of thesis, antithesis and synthesis. You seem to be embracing both socialism and social engineering, and, like your previous argument, painting survivalists in a broad swath. Here we go again, hunkering down in our cabins, isolated, shooting the mailman full of holes then eating him....
Why this yen to stereotype a survivalist? What, are we too dumb to band together, to form communities? You think because we're prudent enough to bear arms that we don't have the culture to appreciate beauty? A longing for a better human existence?
In regards a community that dances around a maypole singing kumbaya, all love, beads and flowers, well you need to look around you a bit more. First of all, the possiblitiy doesn't exist, and never has. Secondly, and flowing from the first postulate, this utopian commune will very quickly get ravaged by dystopian reality.
 

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Why it's not a commune
Individual ownership of parcels. Specific jobs/tasks assign prior to residency and with pre-existing consent of resident. Undesiriable tasks rotated (leadership not excluded). Democratic (the true form) mangement of community goverence. The flaws listed in relationship to "commune" mangement would be over ridden by the new motivation created by the environment outside the community. Imposition of a central will would automatically be over ridden by the the combination of firearm to man ratio measured against the presence of children and concern for there well being. I amconsidering limiting membership to parental units. It aviods many issues related to the general stability of the community.

regarding Jim Jones
The existance of his group in the context of time and place in history attracted fringe types, already prone to misguidance and manipulation. The future creates a pardigm where those who want sanity would participate.

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I'm intrigued. I will read up on the Hegellian dialectical process of thesis this week. And attempt to reply intelligently. I have to ask you why my post (and several others) seem to convey the message that I have some negative view of survivalist? What is it? Everybody is going to be a survivalist, so I don't evenr recognize this as an identifyable stereotype. Some are just more aware than others regarding the changing world around them. I, myself, moved to Amish county less than a year ago because I see what you see. I bought an extended clip yesterday, mylar is in the mail. Please point of specifically what I said in this post that offended you. I don't see it. Am I wrong or is not the consensus that we should hunker down in our BOL's and engage in micro subsistance. Please direct me to post that state otherwise. Really, please. I do not have a negaitve view of survivalist. I am hear to learn from those more learned than I. When I rant, I am primarily speaking to myself. Please help me build this.


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the key purpose is the creation of an environment that affords our wives and children the opportunity to enjoy life. All structuring would be done in light of this. Please share further why you wouldn't be comfortable with this. I'm interested.
 

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I'm intrigued. I will read up on the Hegellian dialectical process of thesis this week. And attempt to reply intelligently. I have to ask you why my post (and several others) seem to convey the message that I have some negative view of survivalist? What is it? Everybody is going to be a survivalist, so I don't evenr recognize this as an identifyable stereotype. Some are just more aware than others regarding the changing world around them. I, myself, moved to Amish county less than a year ago because I see what you see. I bought an extended clip yesterday, mylar is in the mail. Please point of specifically what I said in this post that offended you. I don't see it. Am I wrong or is not the consensus that we should hunker down in our BOL's and engage in micro subsistance. Please direct me to post that state otherwise. Really, please. I do not have a negaitve view of survivalist. I am hear to learn from those more learned than I. When I rant, I am primarily speaking to myself. Please help me build this.
I'm not offended at all, brother, no need to worry about that. And you do bring up some very good items and questions that we should all be addressing. This takes bravery and is commendable. As I've written, it's not so much that you are wrong, but that you're placing a large group of people within a sweeping generalization of what survivalism is. It could very well be that we've all got it wrong and that the fellow pushing his rusty shopping cart full of dumpster expired doughnuts and old playboys outlives us all - joke's on us.
Let's look at what you mentioned, ie hunkering down in our BOL's on micro subsistence. This is not the general concensus at all. Many people here -very clever people- are planning to bug in. Many of us plan to bug in and have a BOL as a backup, but I can confidently speak for the majority in saying that we are flexible, and will do what is required, utilizing the appropriate preps we have made. Also, surviving on bare subsitence is no quality of life at all. One should be striving to live to the utmost, even in a survival situation. I won't be eating MRE's if I don't have to.
Perhaps narrow your field of debate down to a specific topic and fire it out for response, then all of us can look at it together and all take nourishment from it.
Congradulations on your move, and hope you're enjoying it out there.
 
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