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People always say all the game will be good during SHTF, any math to back this up,

I mean there are 300,000,000(give or take 10 to2 0 million) and 55% of the sheeple think that the goverment will take care off them,doesnt that dissprove the fact that thier wont be that many people out hunting and there for more game for the rest of us?

what is your take on this? add your views,math, and opinions.
 

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People always say all the game will be good during SHTF, any math to back this up,

I mean there are 300,000,000(give or take 10 to2 0 million) and 55% of the sheeple think that the goverment will take care off them,doesnt that dissprove the fact that thier wont be that many people out hunting and there for more game for the rest of us?

what is your take on this? add your views,math, and opinions.
1) A person would have to know how to hunt. Many dont so they might depend on others to hunt for them, people will see that chance for profit. They will obliterate the game available to them for the said profit.

2) Starvation

3) Refer back to 1.

Economics 101 in a bad way right there.
 

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Shoot a deer, and even if you can efficiently use 90% of it, how long will that last your family?

Then you must do it again.

Cities are full of people who will sit down and cry.

There are also others who will grab guns and run out into the country. Shooting at anything that moves.

Now days pre-SHTF every hunting season we get loads of city folk up here 'hunting'. Every year they shoot stuff that is not game animals, and they shoot people [by mistake].

Folks who hunt regularly also bring home meat regularly. Folks who do not, might bring home meat, and they might not.

What we see today when when folks can only bag one deer, or one bear, or one moose per year.

So what happens when they want to bag a second animal 2 weeks later?


Right now game herds are managed at current levels. Enough to sustain their populations and to provide meat for seasonal hunters.

If the number of hunters stays the same, but you remove the season; animals will be gone in a month.

If you multiply the number of hunters by 100X ???

If you multiply the number of hunters by 100X AND remove the season ???
 

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Have you ever said: "By God, today I'm going to go out and feed my family from what fur,fish and fowl, nature supplies", and actually gone out and done it?

It can be surprisingly hard for a seasoned hunter/fisherman sometimes.

55% probably do think the gov will care for them. If that begins to fade...

I agree, there will be lots of starvation.
Lots of theft, and lots of violent crimes over chick-a-dee stew.

Killing something is a LOT easier than making it edible. Few know those skills.
Hence the proliferation of local "processors" during deer seasons. (Not saying that all who use them don't know how to dress game, ie: its an convenience).

Sheeple in mass will do whats easiest.

I personally see theft and violence, over learning new skills. Especially if there is little
gov support.
 

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good point on seasons. Without enforced seasons, there will be no sustainable numbers of wildlife.
Happened here in the depression. Deer were basically eradicated. Took nearly 50years to get heard back to previous numbers, and then only because they were brought in from other areas.

Of course we can't survive on meat alone, so even if the masses could kill something regularly, and dress and prepare it, they'd still be screwed in the long run.
 

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Back in the 1870s, a Department of the Interior report stated that it took 100 sq miles (10 x 10 mile area) to support one hunter / gatherer (Indian) for the purposes of sizing reservations.

The USA has an area of 3,794,101 sq mi, which would support only 37,941 people by DoI reckoning.

D'oh.... !
 

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Wild turkey in this area was completely gone.

We have them now, but for many years they didn't.

A couple years ago I met with the state turkey biologist. I tracked him down because we had some ideas of ways to use my land. During our discussion, he gave me the history of the state trying to get the turkey population back up from the G.D.

Starting in 1950, they brought in mated pairs of turkeys. Then did it again in 1960, and in 1970, and in 1980. Each time they went to different states to get them. Each time they spoke with local 'experts' on how turkeys breed, etc.

Every year so many Fish/Game wardens retire and new ones come into the profession; among their long-term projects was to get each species back up to pre-G.D. levels.

He said that kept changing their methods of how they did it, hoping that each time would succeed. In 2000, they captured 30-pairs of wild turkeys in a manner that the birds never saw humans in the process, and released them here.

That was the release that finally worked, for turkeys. And now we have a high level of turkey.

They were gone here after the G.D. even with 'professional's making the effort it took 60-years for turkeys to make a come-back.



As to our conversation; I was told 'No' I can not breed and release turkeys here.
 

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Got in a debate with a guy about this subject on another forum. Most people do not know how to hunt, now throw in no vehicle because of gas, EMP, how you gonna get to food. My hunting is right out the back yard in the Flatwoods/ swamp, if I have to walk back there to hunt, check trap lines, or any of that with no vehicle? Then if I do kill something, how am I gonna get a 200 pound hog home on foot? It is gonna take a long time. Sorry but rabbit or squirrel will not get it alone.

So to me the odds are against people experienced or otherwise if the use of vehicles are gone. A person with a horse or stored gas will fare much better. Even with trap lines and hunting I do not depend on it, but could definitely help suplement alot to those prepared for it.
 

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338 Million folks

About 20 million hunters from small game (rabbit, squirrel) to larger (deer, elk, moose)

The 20M hunters have an edge in that they own guns, hunt and have a PLACE to go hunting, they will mostly eat regular

The rest of the population:
100 M are on welfare now, you think they are going hunting, suddenly gonna MAN UP in life

As stated, how to get to where you may hunt, the other 100M have no friggin idea where to go or how to go. IF they shot anything larger than a squirrel then how do they get it back home, how do they PRESERVE the meat?

Most hunting is done in the colder climes, there is a reason for that. Meat will spoil in MINUTES if not properly stored, dressed and if they outside temp is warm you better plan on eating it there.

There will be pressure on game as many hunters will hunt to sell and that will take its toll

Take away, starting out there will be ample meat, but supplies will dwindle rapidly. I would expect game to become scarce by spring or one season. Second season only the better hunters will bag game, by the 3 season even they will get real hungry.
 

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I'm 50/50 on this. Yes I see more pressure on game but in a major event what is the die off rate of people? Also, acouple of limiting factor to game spreading today is the amount of land farmed and highways and interstates cutting through traditional migration routes. With those gone in most cases in a true SHTF then game has more land to use. Additionally, 90% of the "hunters" never leave the damn roads any more anyway so I fail to believe alot of city folk will be going far off them either just because of the fear of the unknown and getting lost if nothing else. I don't discount that short term in larger population areas there could be a negative impact to wildlife populations. But as people die off the game will come back alot faster than most think. Game herds are pretty resilient and tend to bounce back quickly for a major kill off of blue tongue or CWD. Again I see increased short term pressure but deer are smart, the move to the area of least pressure. Hell the current successful hunt ratio for most states is around 60%. And this is from "hunters" and I use that term loosely, so I don't sheeple will improve on this. And yea yea I know some have buck only tags and some can only hunt in certain areas etc etc. But my money is on the wildlife to out live humans in a true SHTF event.
 

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338 Million folks

About 20 million hunters from small game (rabbit, squirrel) to larger (deer, elk, moose)

The 20M hunters have an edge in that they own guns, hunt and have a PLACE to go hunting, they will mostly eat regular

The rest of the population:
100 M are on welfare now, you think they are going hunting, suddenly gonna MAN UP in life

As stated, how to get to where you may hunt, the other 100M have no friggin idea where to go or how to go. IF they shot anything larger than a squirrel then how do they get it back home, how do they PRESERVE the meat?

Most hunting is done in the colder climes, there is a reason for that. Meat will spoil in MINUTES if not properly stored, dressed and if they outside temp is warm you better plan on eating it there.

There will be pressure on game as many hunters will hunt to sell and that will take its toll

Take away, starting out there will be ample meat, but supplies will dwindle rapidly. I would expect game to become scarce by spring or one season. Second season only the better hunters will bag game, by the 3 season even they will get real hungry.
where would a person who is new to hunting learn this, any links you can message me.
 

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where would a person who is new to hunting learn this, any links you can message me.
One of the reasons they fared well was they were in ranching and farming country. While the dust bowl wiped them out, lost their cattle, lost their crops, they were hardened rural folks who had lived a life where town was a day or more ride on a horse. They had longed since learned to live off the land and neighbors were a long ways off, they had 3000 acres and 8000 acres amongst the family.

As stated above, population density has a lot to do with game and a understanding of when and what to gather. Its really a combo of hunting and fishing for proteins.

Its also how you preserve the catch...if you do not have a smoke house YOU WILL STARVE to death. Neither meat nor fish will last much more than a few hours if the temps are above 40 degrees. This means almost all game hunting will take place in the cold of winter, fish will need to be cooked on the bank in the summer if distance is further than a few min walk. Reality is you will need to gather proteins in the cool months and preserve for the warm months or go hungry. Summer brings on eating what you kill where you kill. Also some animals get worms and other issues that cold weather will kill. Dad said you don't hunt to eat ill after the first freeze.

To survive after the SHTF you will need to get far from any city or town of any size. You will need to hunt the most rugged an rural areas you can get to. Most likely you will need to preserve you meat at your camp site as it will not get it out with spoilage otherwise.

If you want to learn and you don't have a father/grandfather like mine that truly survived in a SHTF situation the you need to study how folks lived thru tough times in rural America. How folks lived prior to electricity and telephone.

FEW survival books are of any use cause they do not know either, they have rarely done it or like the survival shows on TV where they have a heli standing by in case someone gets hurt and a support crew of as much as 100 people.

Look at how folks lived prior to about 1920. Guess not many folks around from those days anymore, but remember my Dad/Granddad did not have fancy knife or a load of tactiKool junk hung on some semi-auto, no fancy waterproof clothes, water filters or anything else. And they MADE IT! Something FEW on this forum will do.

Books on primitive cooking and preserving of foods will be your life saver

Books on rural life, finding water, what to eat from the land and what NOT to eat.

Books on hunting, tracking game, preserving game

Books on making clothing, uses of game hides and bones and how to survive when you have little or nothing

Books on Indian life


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I think that it can go both ways for the case of hunting. for example we could have an area hunted out of all larger game such as deer, bear, etc... but then you have a smaller chance of the small game of disappearing such as squirl and turkeys. but this could also go the other way and have people clean them out as well if they get into trapping which has the best chance of getting them all.

but say we have a reduced number of hunters out there after SHTF....

now we have an over abundance of deer feeding off the same area. with will also cause a large die of of the animals due to too many deer for the area to susstain so more deer die this way then by the hand of man.

I believe that it can go both ways but the people that are going to get the deer are the people who know where and when to look. after SHTF i will most likly drive a few miles up the road to the open fields and with the help of 2 or 3 people take multiple at one time load them back in the truck and head home to clean them and preserve what i can. i would not wait a set amount of time for the meat to tenderize as a lot of people do i would be working as fast as i can to save everything, and then move on to eating what i got. my wood smoker will be going 24/7 preserving the meat. another supply will be canned as well
 
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