Women should have the right to vote. The vote to make me a turkey sandwich or a ham sandwich. :

I kid, I kid.

 

Ha,ha, ha!

 

Unfortunately women often make decisions based on emotions rather than fact.

And the OP's question doesnt matter because no matter if you agree or disagrees with it... It ain't gonna happen.

 

Unfortunately women often make decisions based on emotions rather than fact.

My wife has never, and will never, vote for a woman candidate. I've tried to convince her in the past to vote for women, but she will not. She believes the same thing that Nomad said above, that women make decisions based upon emotions and (in her view) they can't made tough decisions. Before anyone flames me, those are her words, not mine.

 

maybe this should be in the ladies section

 

Then you get no men's opinions. Women can stand in a circle and tell each other how right they are all day long, but it won't help the situation. :xeye:

 

Women's tendency for emotional basis for decisions shouldn't short circuit their basic intelligence. Evidence points that it often does unfortunately. I've heard more women say they were voting for a politician because he "looks" honest or honorable than I'd ever want to admit. Good gravy Marie, what are they thinking? He LOOKS honest, there have been several victims of serial killers who probably thought the same thing. :xeye:

It's a mess for sure. Women and men are supposed to balance each other, one's strengths tend to be the other's weaknesses. The balance is gone a good deal of the time it seems and the two genders are in competition to see which one can exhibit more weaknesses. I guess they think that's going to become an Olympic sport.

 

yea but men will vote for the guy they would most likely like to drink a beer with or go hunting with or hang out with. we know today lincoln wouldnt be electable. and this isnt just for women. men also look at the person and will vote for the most attractive male period.

 

let me guess...you're a single guy with several failed marriages? lol

 

I'm not sure who you are referring to but Mogli and I are both adult women.

I know on my part, I refuse to have a veil of "everything a woman does is wonderful", obscure reality. Women don't do their country, their fellow citizens, or their families any good if they are so busy yelling "I am woman, hear me roar" that what they roar has no relation to the real world. They doggone sure don't do themselves any service with such nonsense.

 

I've often wondered if it shouldn't go back to the old system where only property owners, male or female, could vote. Afterall, they're the ones who have a real stake in this country.

 

That's what I was going to say. The way it is now, we have people with no land, living on government handouts, who are voting in the politicians who give them the free handouts. Look how that's working out. Another option would be, that if you receive EBT cards or welfare, then you lose your vote.

 

As a woman, I'm surprised to see this question raised. I think there are just as many stupid men as there are stupid women. You say women think emotionally rather than logically. The assumption here is that men think logically instead of from a brainwashed perspective. Most folks are brainwashed, including most men.

Women often think emotionally and make bad choices because (IMO) they were allowed to get away with far too much as children and teens. Girls and women are taught by society that because they have a * * * * * *, that they can get away with anything they want and receive special treatment. This is the core of the problem. This is why women are ruined and are not marriageable now a-days and don't think logically.

It starts with how daddy treats his little girl. Daddy's little princess gets special treatment from daddy; daddy buys her whatever she wants. Strike 1. Daddy doesn't punish her when she's naughty. Strike 2. Daddy lets her get poor grades in school and doesn't do anything about it. Strike 3. Little girl learns that she can get away with anything because she's a girl. Boys at school, especially if she's pretty, treat her very nice and give her things. She comes to expect this. Strike 4.

On and on this goes, and you can see how females grow up into spoiled princesses with a severe entitlement attitude and are unpleasant bimbos that are no good for long-term relationships, marriage, or motherhood. It all starts with how she was raised. Parents need discipline their daughters, require them to make good grades in school, make them earn what they get instead of just giving them whatever they want, and have high expectations for them. Then their daughters will more than likely grow up to be mature, responsible, rational voters.

P.S. As a female voter, you'd have to kill me to take away my right to vote. I will not be treated as a subhuman, second-class citizen by anyone. My voice matters and I trust no one, not even my own husband who loves me very much, to accurately represent my interests.

 

You described three women in my family. They are in-laws, by the way.

There are times when I'd like to remind *two* of them that they are addressing me with their smart ****, not their fathers. But, I manage to keep MY emotions in check. One of these days though...

The third woman does not have too much to do with us, as we do not have five star accommodations.

 

As bad as I hate to say it , this last election has really made me ponder this question also ... I had so many women tell me that they were going to vote for obama because of the ( forbidden subject ) even tho that subject did not personally effect them , it seemed to play more important than issues that did effect them , like the economy something that did presently effect them and their children

I would just have to sit back and shake my head , at people willing to trow all logic away for an emotional vote

 

In a word "NO."

It is interesting to note that the Great State of Wyoming was the first state to grant women the right to vote. On the Frontier, women worked right alongside the men.

 

I think you need a good mix of logical and emotional thinking

It's when the percentages go too far either way that the vote gets convoluted


I'll take a turkey sammich please.........LOL

 

I think each vote should be weighted by the amount of taxes that person paid that year, regardless of anything else.

 

I mentioned this in another thread but at the very least women should have to sign up for selective service by age 18 or lose voting privileges. Maybe make it optional for both male and female but if you don't register by 18 you don't ever get the privilege back. Instilled family values would be key. Sweating a draft should be rewarded. I would like property owners to have more pull as well. 1/2 vote for registering selective service, 1/2 vote for owning property. Not going to go off topic and get into the welfare vote...

 

Everybody who voted for Obama should Lose Voting Privileges !!!

 

I am not a second class thinker nor am I a second class citizen.

 

By what criteria?

Voting, like marriage or paying taxes is not a right at all (certainly not a Natural Right). The idea that one automatically ought to be considered a first class citizen by virtue of being born someplace reveals the entitlement mentality that undermines a virtuous and enduring society.

I believe, like The Great Compromise, their should be two categories of voting. One, like the Senate and we have now, is one person one vote; but the other, like the House, is not only one $ paid in direct taxes, one vote, but where spending must be initiated. Now we have a system were people who do not pay direct taxes get to vote for benefits those who do pay direct taxes must pay. The system we have now promotes a moral hazard - and that explains the debt, unfunded liabilities, and our collective refusal to do anything but make it worse.

 

Oh boy. You're pretty brave Mogli. I see this ending up in BS eventually, but, since you asked......

I actually side with MikeK on this one more than your suggestion. I think there are just as many stupid men as there are stupid, emotional women. I have often mused that perhaps only property owners should be voting. But, I think we would see every single inch of land bought up if that happened, it's sort of a catch 22.

 

as a man with too many ex girlfriends (lol), i'd say there's somethng to this. emotional reactions shortcircuiting rational thought...wanting to mother and coddle the world, GIVE everyone the same things wether they deserve it or not (trophies for loosing, stars for showing up etc.).

 

When men stop thinking with their little head, women will stop thinking emotionally. Until then, us Hysterical women will keep the vote. Thank you very much.

 

I know too many women think too much about that same little head themselves


I'm not complaining.....:

Everyone deserves the right to vote in this country.

 

I think we should prevent stupid and uninformed people from voting, regardless of sex, race or any other factor. Most women that I know are certainly as good a judge of politicians as any informed person. I worked in IT for many years. I managed women and was managed by them, worked side by side and I can say for certain they were every bit as smart, logical and motivated as any man… they make great decisions and they get the job done. They are a credit to the work place, their communities, their family and their country.

That said, there are some women and men who vote exclusively based on party allegiance, false hope, a favored cause (the untouchable subject) and mostly misinformation. Many people voted for Oliar because he was black. Many would vote for Hillary because she is a woman. The same goes for people who vote because candidates are handsome, catholic (Kennedy), have blue eyes or any other favored trait of the day. If we could somehow exclude those who vote on other than candidates credentials/accomplishments, the absolute facts, circumstances we face, and the needs of the country then America would get back on its rightful trajectory to greatness. Smart, hard working and self reliant men and women built this great country and we need them all to take it back from the cretins who are committed to big government dependence/spending/debt. :thumb:

 

It's not a male/female issue. Don't believe me, just ask good ole Ben Franklin....

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.”

― Benjamin Franklin

Only real tax payers, property owners, and those retired that were voters before they retired should be able to vote.

 

This kinda gets to the meat of my question. Which is a good one. Who benefits mostly from a Socialized society? Largely women because it relieves them of the burden of child care and elder care through Socialized programs.

I agree with those who said there are just as many stupid men as women and I also agree with those who said property owners should vote.

Also it was mentioned that those on the public dole should not be allowed to vote. But which public dole receivers should be excluded? Those on food stamps but what of those on SS or those in public unions like school teachers? They're voting themselves in benefits too.

Or what about corporate welfare? Should persons owning corporations be excluded because they obviously benefit from voting?

BTW, this is an excellent and important topic.

 

Allowed??? Allowed??? What is this "allowed" you speak of??? It's the hard won RIGHT and the responsibility of women to vote, even as meaningless as it has become in recent decades. Or perhaps not just in recent decades. Elections have been stolen from the early days of this country and we do tend to forget that.

Those who should not be allowed to vote are the idiots, the uneducated, the illegal aliens, those who have not passed a reading and comprehension test with regard to the issues, parties and candidates and those who do not have a stake in the future of this country. I could probably come up with a lot more if I gave that some thought.

There are plenty of both genders who should not be allowed to vote in our Idiocracy.

 

Too bad the 'poll tests' were SO abused?

 

How much do any of our votes actually matter (man or woman) if we constantly allow the powers that be, to give us the illusion of choice as it relates to the Democrat/Republican farce...?!

No matter which way you vote, the game remains the same.

"Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants as long as it is black." - Henry Ford

That said, women have every bit the right to bitch and complain about the lying politician for whom they voted as men do. :

 

How much do any of our votes actually matter (man or woman) if we constantly allow the powers that be, to give us the illusion of choice as it relates to the Democrat/Republican farce...?!

No matter which way you vote, the game remains the same.

"Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants as long as it is black." - Henry Ford

As much as I disagree with you on some things I couldn't agree more. Let women vote twice.

 

The way everyone votes party, I seriously doubt taking the vote from women would change where we are now.

Look at all the men here advocating for the lessor of two evils, as if that's ever going to fix the mess our Country is in.

 

Women should retain their right to vote.

Women hardly have a monopoly on voting with their emotions.

Men are just as bad.

In 2004, how many men voted for candidates who supported the war in Iraq because of what happened on 9-11?

More than a few.

 

Yep. That's a really good point.

 

Ideally, the whole "only landowners should be allowed to vote" sounds like a great idea, until you realize that it will only incentivize the very wealthy/large corporations to buy up as much land and property as possible in order to maintain a larger claim to vote (land is finite, population is pretty much infiite and always increasing) and prevent many new voters from existing.

They could then sell off portions of land for political favors (for example "I will sell you this one acre of land, but you need to use you new voting powers to vote for ____ party the next 2 elections." Or to prevent certain population groups from voting them by denying them the sale of land.

It gets very complicated and it is just too corruptable when things like wealth or land become used to measure one's level of citizenry.

 

I like the 'skin in the game' theory, which has many ways of implementing (like military service in order to vote), but corruption always sticks it's head in....