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Shot a Dog..

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#1 ·
First post here, long-time follower.

I shot a dog that was trying to get into my chicken pen. I live in Texas so I was entirely justified, legally and morally speaking. This wasn't a stray, it was a beautiful Husky that belonged to some very well-off people on the next street.

A little background here. Back in March, I had two copper Marans and two Muscovies in square pen made of field fencing. I first saw this dog a week or so before, trying to get in the pen, and I was able to run it off. Came home from work, all the birds are dead. No obvious trauma, but slobber and feathers everywhere, obviously a dog attack. Didn't catch it in the act, but I reasonably believed that dog to have been the culprit.

Fast forward to August, and a few more sightings of the dog running loose in-between. I have a large, beautiful Delaware rooster, a barred rock hen, and a Lohman hen in a chicken tractor. Okra was just starting to sprout and the Delaware was just the right size for a good gumbo. One day I go to feed them, and I find the same dog looking up at me from inside the pen, covered in blood and all three birds dead. Started to go inside to get the .22, but I knew someone loved the dog, so I held off. Besides killing the chickens, the dog had ripped the (already rusted) sheet metal on the tractor to gain entrance. Animal Control came and got it, I filed dog-at-large charges, owner paid the fine. He offered to pay for the chickens but I refused, and we agreed that if he kept the dog penned up, all would be well. However, for weeks afterward, I see the dog running loose in the neighborhood. The owner even came to my house at one point to let me know it was loose. I let him know that my patience was running out, and next time I would do what was necessary to protect my animals and property.

A few days ago, I'm going to feed the chickens, and I see the dog come running like a flash straight to the tractors. Starts running circles around the pens, chickens are terrified, then it stops running and starts digging. That was enough. I went inside and got the .22.

Little do I know the owners are on foot not far behind, chasing the dog. The woman begins screaming, the son begins cursing, telling me that my animals and property are nothing compared to the value of that dog. I call the cops, they explain the laws and ordinances to them (in Texas you're entirely immune from criminal and civil liability in these cases), but they're too upset to care.

For six months, seven dead birds, a damaged chicken tractor, and loss in feed, city water, eggs, and meat, I had been patient with these folks. The dog's death is entirely their fault, same as if it had been run over by a car. None of this was the dog's fault, and is entirely theirs. I defended my property and livestock, and they failed to protect the dog by keeping it on their property.

Notwithstanding, my heart is very heavy. Though I shoot raccoons and possums regularly that I catch trying enter the tractors and coop, I almost wish I hadn't shot the animal. Now I'm worried that even though they can't file suit, they'll smear my name or stage some sort of demonstration (as I said, they're very well-off), especially since I'm a police officer.

Has anyone been in this situation?

Thanks,
Matt
 
#4 ·
You had every right in the world and they had been advised even by the local authorities. It is on record of what the animal did. You are within your rights to do so.

I think Huskys are beautiful but i'll shoot 1 just as quick as I would a raccoon or a coyote.

Now as for the neighbors. Well, get ready for some poop to come sliding downhill I imagine. But always stay calm when ever you are faced with the mudslinging. Don't go giving them something to hang you with. Don't give them the satisfaction.

Just take it as it comes and deal with it like you do your work. Just my opinion.
 
#9 ·
So even if your dog was killing neighborhood cats or live stock, you'd still be threatening the person who stopped it? Pretty childish of you to say the least.

The dog was killing his birds, wasting his money, etc. Maybe people like you should train your precious animals that you care more about than humans, and there would be less of these situations happening.
 
#7 ·
A lot of the times these kind of event are emotionally charged and usually much before the "last clear chance to avoid injury". A family pet is often a part of a family as much as a child is, so it's really hard to justify shooting their dog.

In this case though, the OP gave them more chances than a reasonable person is expected to give and followed the laws governing protection of one's farming efforts and livelihood.

It's an unfortunate event that will create a grudge between neighbors, but pet ownership requires responsibility.
 
#8 ·
Sorry, all I got out of that was Texas, you are a cop, cops did nothing.

If that's all you got, it's your own problem if you can't read in-depth.

Was the dog in the wrong? yup, Did the dog know it? nope.

Is the dog's ignorance my fault? Nope. Is the lack of responsibility on the owners' behalf my fault? Nope.

Just because you can do something, does not mean you should do something.

I'm very well aware of that.

Kill my dog and see what happens.

Allow your dog to kill my chickens and you see what happens.
 
#13 ·
I was an Animal Control Officer for 20+ years and you should not feel guilty for what you had to do. If anyone should feel guilty it should be the irresponsible dog owners, who always have an excuse just like the guy above who stated "Kill my dog and see what happens. Oh ya, and welcome". Fine example of irresponsible owners.
 
#14 ·
So the owners knew the dog was on the loose and looking for it...
Warned you...
They had previously offered to pay for animals the dog had killed...
Sound like they had a dog who was an escape artist and instead of calling and saying hey your dog is here please pick it up before it kills anymore birds you killed it...
and now you feel the need to justify yourself on the internet...
Sounds like someone feels they made the wrong decision and now is looking for someone to pat them on the back and say "no you did a good job"
 
#99 ·
Dork. I have a 125 lb GSD. She is never unsupervised outside, and is ALWAYS on an effective restraint when she IS outside. Not rocket science. Leash is 40 ft long, braided by me, military spec rope, 10 feet of chain, and a non-break, bite collar. She is also parameter trained, bark trained. and distraction trained. The training was expensive, the restraints cost me all of $20 all together. I value my dog, I keep her home.

Why? Because I KNOW if she got loose, she could really hurt someone, or someones pet/livestock/etc. If she were to get loose, and get shot, I would be heart broken, but would NOT blame the person who shot her. Why? Because over the years, I've shot countless dogs that were allowed off their leash, dropped off, abused, chasing my pets, chasing my livestock (I had horses and chickens) etc. I know how it feels to be the victim of an idiot dog owner.

RICKROLL:
Keep in mind, going to someones house in Texas in a threatening manner, is cause for YOU to be shot. You might want to keep that in mind. Especially in rural Texas. Just letting you know for your own edification.
 
#15 ·
OP, you gave that dog way more of a chance than I would have. If they show up here, they are immediately dispatched. We spend alot of money and time to raise the livestock we have and we feed alot of people with what we raise. I hve had dogs try to attack me, our dogs and kill and maim the livestock we raise. We do not take chances anymore.

You were completely in the right and you should feel no remorse.

For the idiots who want to make threats about someone shooting your dog, KEEP IT HOME if you don't want it shot. Making veiled threats on an internet board just goes to prove what a moron you truly are.


Tex
 
#16 ·
So the owners knew the dog was on the loose and looking for it...Warned you...Sounds like someone feels they made the wrong decision and now is looking for someone to pat them on the back and say "no you did a good job"

Looks like you also lack the capacity to read in-depth. That was several weeks ago. The last line in my post "has anyone been in this situation?" Assuming you can comprehend that.

They had previously offered to pay for animals the dog had killed...

I neither want nor need their money. They'd have been running a pretty high bill.

Sound like they had a dog who was an escape artist

Not my problem (anymore).

and instead of calling and saying hey your dog is here please pick it up before it kills anymore birds you killed it...

*Sigh* The animal was in the act of trying to get to the birds so it could kill them. Should I have allowed it to continue while I made a phone call and waited for them?

and now you feel the need to justify yourself on the internet...

Please, stop with the trolling. I shared this story in order to benefit from the experiences of others.
 
#17 ·
Tex, feeling no remorse is easier said than done. I have a passion for animals, and it's never easy to hurt them. I have a cat I rescued from a shelter seven years ago, rescued a starving dog but had to give her away (a very high-maintenance Dachshund). I'm also a bird and wildlife artist. Would have been difficult enough with a stray, but it's especially difficult knowing that the dog was loved.
 
#18 ·
I have to say, I love my dogs like kids, and I'm heart broken for the loss of their pet.
But I don't feel you were in the wrong. They had been warned several times.

I don't get how people who let their dogs run loose think it's everyone elses
responsibility to keep them safe. It's not. They were irresponsible, and their pet paid the price. If it were my dog, I would indeed be upset, but if I had been warned, and my pet had killed your animals, I would expect nothing different.

Sorry you had to go through this. It is a hard thing to kill an animal, harder still to kill a pet.
 
#19 ·
Has anyone been in this situation?
Yup, more or less the same deal. My antagonist was a white trash redneck with an over sized mutt. Took about 3-4 months, 5 dead chickens and 3 dead ducks. (The ducks being family pets at the time) I was still in high school at the time and we'd just moved out to the country so my dad didn't want to make an enemy out of our new neighbors, we did every thing we could, even built a fence.

At the end of the day the dog caught a .22 round. Don't feel bad about it, just part of country living to be honest as long as you did every thing you could do to prevent it then it comes down to them being bad owners. If they really cared about the dog they would have prevented it from running wild.

As far as retaliation, our neighbor tried to get snarky about the whole thing till me and dad made it very clear that people can get shot just as easy as dogs can. After that we never had any issues. Your situation might be a little different due to the political nature of the whole thing so I would just see if you can get the reports from the first incident to CYA if they do try a name smear.
 
#21 ·
Our neighbor tried to get snarky about the whole thing till me and dad made it very clear that people can get shot just as easy as dogs can.

I called them today to let them know that I bear them no ill will, and that I will continue to serve them as I do any other citizen.

..reports from the first incident to CYA if they do try a name smear.

Oh that's well taken care of.. because I did the report, which includes plenty of photographic evidence.

I see your multi-cam in your profile pic.. are you still in? I was an infantryman in 4BCT 4ID from 2004-2009. Both tours were in Baghdad, 2005-2006 and 2007-2009.
 
#24 ·
Sounds like you've got your bases covered then, sucks things had to go down like they did. It's never fun having to be viewed as the bad guy for cleaning up some one else's mess.

I see your multi-cam in your profile pic.. are you still in? I was an infantryman in 4BCT 4ID from 2004-2009. Both tours were in Baghdad, 2005-2006 and 2007-2009.
Hell yeah, I'm an 11B my self with 3BCT 1AD as of right now currently waiting in KAF for my freedom bird. So far I've been in since 06, did the Iraq thing in 08, then my first Stan tour in 2011-2012. Now I've got a year and half left and can't wait to get out, new Army ain't my thing.
 
#23 ·
I am not trolling. I am calling it how I see it.

Here's a good definition of trolling - "the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." Nothing in my post suggested that I was seeking catharsis.

At no point did you say the dog was human aggressive...so if it was not you could have caught it.

Should I assume so, and risk it biting me?

and if you can't keep one dog out of your pens you better get used to killing things because you are gonna be justifying the death of alot of animals.

You've actually got a good point. I live in a highly residential neighborhood, and the tractors should probably go. The main coop has sheet metal dug into the ground, so nothing can get into it. But again, I'm not justifying anything, the state legislature did that a long time ago.
 
#27 ·
Like I said I am not trolling. I am staying on subject and calling it as a see it. You shot the dog and then had the moment where you doubted yourself on whether you should have shot the dog. You knew the law was on your side, but also knew that you could face a backlash from everywhere around you and you yourself were not sure about it, so you made a post on a forum where you knew the large major of people would agree with you, so that you had someone to tell you, you were a good little boy and you did good.

And to keep it on subject. You knew there was a direct threat to your birds from the dog and the local wildlife, however you don't seem to have made any improvements to security of your coops/tractors. It is better to secure your bird, then to just shot anything that goes near them.
 
#25 ·
these people should not have had a dog, Too bad both you and the dog, as well as your fowl (and who knows what other animals, wild or domestic in your area) suffered because of their ignorance or laziness.

what's done is done.. your thought expressed above show you to be a reasonable and sensitive person....sorry to see you get slammed on your first post
 
#159 ·
these people should not have had a dog,
This, pretty much. People are absolutely stupid about their dogs where I am. Every week I see people who do not have control over their rampaging pet.

Our relationship with our animals is becoming just as unhealthy as our relationship with food, in North America.
 
#29 ·
We raised bottle calves and chickens when I was younger and had numerous problems with dogs and their owners. We had a three strike rule. Two talks with owners after incidents then good bye dogs. It isn't your fault the owners should have kept him in. Have also had a Houdini dog who had amazing escape abilities! Would never have blamed anyone who shot her killing livestock was my fault for not being able to keep her in. (Luckily the crazy dog didn't go after livestock)
 
#30 ·
..you made a post on a forum where you knew the large major of people would agree with you, so that you had someone to tell you, you were a good little boy and you did good.

I'm very glad that you're able to know my intentions better than I know them. Maybe you should write my posts for me. Oh absolutely, I didn't post on a forum where I know people might have had this experience and be able to give me some pointers on how to handle the aftermath, or anything like that. But no, you're not trolling at all (riiight..)

And don't refer to me as "little boy." I served my country during two combat tours in Iraq, and have a career and family of my own. Not that that needs explaining to you.

You knew there was a direct threat to your birds from the dog and the local wildlife, however you don't seem to have made any improvements to security of your coops/tractors.

Ah, my fault again. And you assume I made no improvements. You know what they say when you assume..