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There are two kinds of trade goods short term and long term. Some trading goods are both short and long term but most preppers that have trading goods have some that best suited for short or long term goods even if they did not intend on it working out that way.

To explain the reasoning behind short term long term lets just use diapers as the example.
There are two kinds of diapers disposable and reusable.
WTSHTF the sheep are not going to be able to understand the concept of TEOCAWKI. This failure to grasp realty will mean that the sheep will have little interest in cloth diapers and as the supply dwindles the sheep will be willing to pay exorbitant amounts for them.

As the die off continues those that are left will start to see the wisdom of using cloth diapers or no diapers at all in that case cloth diapers and kaidangkus will start to become valuable commodities.

When putting back trade stock one not only has to look at the short term but also at what the long term needs of yourself and others may be. A lot of times posters ask why spend money on trade stock. The answer is simple no one can prepare for every eventuality and by having trading stock on hand gaps can be filled postSHTF.

Examples of short term items include
Porn
Booze
Condoms
Cigarettes
Disposable diapers
Disposable female hygiene products
Cash
Candy
Batteries
toilet paper

Examples of long term items include
Cloth diapers
Baby underpants
Kaidangku
Reusable female hygiene products
PMs
Ammo
Wrist rockets. slingshots
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Dude we already have TEOTWAWKI. Let's not get started down another path with more acronyms. Hard enough for the newcomers as it is having to learn prep language.

Kaidangku? A billion Chinese can be wrong I assure you.
In other words you have nothing positive to add to the conversation so you just thought you would chime in and say look at me. I also think you may be having a problem with understand that the PerSHTF and PostSHTF will not be the same.

TEOTWAWKI = The End Of The World As We Know It
TEOTWAIKI = The End Of The World As I Know It
TEOCAWKI = The End Of Civilization As We Know It
TEOCAIKI = The End Of Civilization As I Know It

Are you up to speed now?
 

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Kaidangku? I'm not really seeing the value. Just cut a hole in your kids pants if you want, but I'm thinking it might be best to limit voiding to specific areas to help discourage the spread of disease.

Booze is long and short term. It's universal and timeless.

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I'm more interested in long term and replenishable goods. I would put seeds in the replenishable catagory since they dont last forever on the shelf. I do keep things like extra toilet paper arund but I buy iot when its on sale so we save money here as well. I keep some ammo for trade as well. Just .22 figuring there isnt much chance of someone trying to take me on with it. Looking for a dirt cheap .22 pistol maybe single shot shotgun for trade as well. post shtf, if a guy had two SUV's with fuel, but no gun, he might be willing to trade for a .22 revolver. I also pick up this and that at yard sales, auctions and good sales. Bought a few oil/kerosene lamps at Dollar General for $2.25 each. (I saw the same exact thing at a camp store for $15) Fishing tackle can be had cheap at times.

As for replenishable... I have fruit trees planted and allways plant potatoes. I even started leaving some in the ground each winter so they are safe. Apples and potatoes are the best source of calories per acre. 1/4 acre of either can provide enough calorie for 4-5 people. That means a few fruit trees and 1/4 acre of potatoes and I will have plenty to trade. Also am looking for a used pressure cooker so I can learn to make alcohol. Trade as a drink or as antiseptic.
 

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Booze is long and short term. It's universal and timeless.
Prepackaged liquor like you would buy at the store is short term. Home brew is long term.

Also those that are addicted to the vine will have shorter life spans then those that are not. A lot of drunks will either sober up or die.
 

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I consider cosmetics as long term since it will be more and more valued as it becomes more hard to come by.

While it definitely has no uses when it comes to survival, it will be very treasured by those that can afford it. Imagine the demand for cosmetics among women who has gone without it for a few years! Most men who want to give their wife a birthday present that is more joyful than a new hunting knife, will also know the value.

In a sense, it could become more valuable than gold, since it does not only have monetary value, but also more emotionally value than for example a gold coin.
 

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Prepackaged liquor like you would buy at the store is short term. Home brew is long term.

Also those that are addicted to the vine will have shorter life spans then those that are not. A lot of drunks will either sober up or die.
I've got a bottle of Scotch that's older than I am, and I'm pretty doggone old! I would consider prepackaged liquor long-term. However, it is probably not going to be replenishable, so homemade hooch would be required.

While I'm essentially a nondrinker, there is value in having some hard liquor for anaesthesia and psychological uses even for us teetotallers. But there will always be people willing to trade for liquor. Historically, it's been almost as important as air for many people... even more so during hard times.

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Dude we already have TEOTWAWKI. Let's not get started down another path with more acronyms. Hard enough for the newcomers as it is having to learn prep language.

Kaidangku? A billion Chinese can be wrong I assure you.
Ya I am a newb and have no idea what any of the acronyms mean.
 

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Ya I am a newb and have no idea what any of the acronyms mean.
TEOTWAWKI = The End Of The World As We Know It
TEOTWAIKI = The End Of The World As I Know It
TEOCAWKI = The End Of Civilization As We Know It
TEOCAIKI = The End Of Civilization As I Know It

Kaidangku is this 開襠褲 in American
 

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Art.

Why?

Why are old baseball cards valuable?

Because people though they weren't. People never thought those old cards would be valuable, so they were abused, used, and discarded. Then, a couple of decades later, people wanted them again, and they could not be found.

This is what makes something a collectible. If it is known as a collectible when it is first available, then it truly is not a collectible, because it will not go through a process where most copies are destroyed, limiting the supply.

Art. Nobody is going to think of taking art with them, or storing art safely. And people won't give a darn about it for about five years. But once their lives have stabilized, once they have their feet under them, and once they can look beyond their next meal, they will want something to beautify their homes. And they will grow nostalgiac for the art they knew. Something to please the eyes. Something to stare at, if only for a couple of moments, and be taken away to a better place.

But by that time, most art will have disintegrated or been burned for fuel. People will have destroyed it because they will not have seen any value in it. The supply will be very scarce. The demand will be high. People will be willing to pay a premium for it.
 

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Kaidangku? I'm not really seeing the value. Just cut a hole in your kids pants if you want, but I'm thinking it might be best to limit voiding to specific areas to help discourage the spread of disease.
This is going to be the subject of an upcoming thread. But Kaidangku are like a firearm used right it can be a good thing to have but if it is used wrong and it be the scourge of society.

I would put seeds in the replenishable category since they don’t last forever on the shelf.
Hybrid seeds are a short term item, and for the first year or two they will be valuable for trade. After it is discovered that they will not breed true they will lose their value. Nonhybrid seeds are a long term item and should be saved until the stock of Hybrid seeds is used up or they lose value.


I do keep things like extra toilet paper around
TP is a short term item even though it will be highly valuable for as long as a supply is available it will be considered more of a luxury as time goes on. Over time alternatives to TP will be put into general use and as more resources are put to long term survival the cost of the TP will be weighed against the need for necessities of life.

I keep some ammo for trade as well. Just .22 figuring there isnt much chance of someone trying to take me on with it. Looking for a dirt cheap .22 pistol maybe single shot shotgun for trade as well.
center fire and rimfire ammo and firearms are short term trade items. The long term equivalent would be black powder muzzle loading flint lock firearms will become a valuable item if the manufacture of center and rim fire ammo is not restarted in volume PostSHTF. Even in the short term .22 and .32 muzzle loading flint lock rifles will have value.


post SHTF, if a guy had two SUV's with fuel, but no gun, he might be willing to trade for a .22 revolver.
It is a good dream but in realty it probably never happen.

I also pick up this and that at yard sales, auctions and good sales. Bought a few oil/kerosene lamps at Dollar General for $2.25 each. (I saw the same exact thing at a camp store for $15) Fishing tackle can be had cheap at times.
This is how I get most of my trade stock. Also look for thing that have other uses the one that the were intended for. The Goodwill have a badminton net to day that would have made a good gill net if someone else had not beaten me to it.

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I consider cosmetics as long term since it will be more and more valued as it becomes more hard to come by.
Cosmetics are definitely a short term trade item. In the short term the survivor’s priorities will not be the same as they will be in the long term. As time goes on women will become less concerned if their shoes match their purse then if they got a good sturdy pare of boots on their feet. Vanity will take a backset to survival.

I've got a bottle of Scotch that's older than I amishable, so homemade hooch would
The life span of an item has less to do with if it is a short or long term item the demand does. A Bata video tape players can last a long time but very few would want one. Granted if you had the last bottle of fine liquor it would command a good price in the paw it would have a limited market when you consider that home brew will be cheep and readily available of various quality.

Art.
Art. Nobody is going to think of taking art with them, or storing art safely. And people won't give a darn about it for about five years. But once their lives have stabilized, once they have their feet under them, and once they can look beyond their next meal, they will want something to beautify their homes. And they will grow nostalgiac for the art they knew. Something to please the eyes. Something to stare at, if only for a couple of moments, and be taken away to a better place.

But by that time, most art will have disintegrated or been burned for fuel. People will have destroyed it because they will not have seen any value in it. The supply will be very scarce. The demand will be high. People will be willing to pay a premium for it.
This is very true, but it falls under the heading of collection and preservation. Art, literature and technologies. These things define civilization and will have to be preserved for future generations to learn from.

Porn is something of value to be traded with??? :confused:
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Booze, drugs and porn are very addictive and that addiction can cause some persons to go to great lengths to get there fix. There are a very large number of persons in this country that are addicted to pornography. these persons are able to hide their addiction because it does not leave them physically impaired. The good thing {and probably the only one} is the lack of physical impairment, even with this lack of physical impairment a person should not be trusted.

In the PAW you will not only be trading for tangible but also for the intangible, information can be even more valuable if that information saves you life or the lives of others.
 
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