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I thought I would post Dr Walter Martin's authorative viewpoint of The keeping of Sabbath.

Should Christians Keep The Sabbath?

Origin of the Sabbath
History of the Sabbath
Views of the Christian's Obligation To Keep The Sabbath
Bibliography
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I. ORIGIN OF THE SABBATH
A. Teaching of the Bible
1. Sanctification of the seventh day of creation.

The Hebrews did not claim to be the creators of this unique institution. They affirmed that God Himself was its creator. The record of its origin which they preserved for us is in the Bible. The divine origin of the sabbath is described in the opening chapters of Genesis. The first two chapters describe God's creative activity during six days and His sanctification of the seventh day by His cessation from His creative work (Gen 1:1-2:3). The word "sabbath" is not employed, but it is certain that the author meant to assert that God blessed and hallowed the seventh day as the sabbath.
The grouping of the creation narrative into six periods called days, followed by a seventh day of rest, seems to have been done purposefully to establish a weekly sacred day. Later scriptural teaching on the sabbath seems to corroborate this. The fourth commandment of the Decalogue, as recorded in Exodus, gives as the reason for the Israelites' observance of the sabbath the fact that God "in six days . . . made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it" (Exod 20:11). The words of Jesus, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath" (Mark 2:27), point back beyond the Mosaic command to the original purpose and will of God. They indicate that the sabbath came into being when man came into being.

It seems clear, therefore, that the divine origin and institution of the sabbath took place at the beginning of human history. At that time God not only provided a divine example for keeping the seventh day as a day of rest, but also blessed and set apart the seventh day for the use and benefit of man. There is no mention of the observance of the sabbath by the patriarchs, although a period of seven days is mentioned several times in the account of Noah and the Flood (Gen 7:4, 10; 8:10, 12), and a week is mentioned in the story of Jacob and Rachel (29:27). Whether the patriarchs had knowledge of or observed the sabbath does not matter; the revelation of God to Moses was that He had instituted the sabbath at the close of creation.

2. The ordinance concerning the manna.


The first mention of the word "sabbath" is in Exodus 16:23 which gives certain regulations concerning the gathering and preparation of the manna, when the Israelites were in the wilderness of Sin. At the command of the LORD, Moses told the people to gather and prepare twice as much manna on the sixth day as on other days (Exod 16:5). When the leaders of the congregation reported to Moses that the people had done so, Moses replied, "This is what the LORD has commanded: 'Tomorrow is a day of solemn rest, a holy sabbath to the LORD'" (16:22, 23). The next day Moses commanded the people to eat what had been kept over, and added, "Today is a sabbath to the LORD; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is a sabbath, there will be none" (16:25, 26). Some of the people, notwithstanding this explicit command, went out to gather manna on the seventh day (16:27). At this point the LORD said to Moses, "How long do you refuse to keep my commandments and my laws? See! The LORD has given you the sabbath, therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days; remain every man of you in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day" (16:28, 29).
This passage shows that the sabbath was certainly made known to Israel before the giving of the law at Sinai. The Israelites did not arrive at Sinai until the following month (16:1; 19:1). This passage also shows that this was not the first institution of the sabbath. The incidental manner in which the matter is introduced and the remonstrance of the LORD for the disobedience of the people both imply that the sabbath had previously been known. The LORD'S inquiry, "How long do you refuse to keep my commandments and my laws?" sounds as if it had long been in existence. In fact, the equation of the sabbath with the seventh day, the statement that the LORD gave the Israelites the sabbath, and the record that the people, at God's command, rested on the seventh day, all point unmistakably to the primeval institution of the sabbath.

3. The fourth commandment of the Decaloque.


The fourth commandment itself does not purport to be the first promulgation of the sabbath. Its introductory words, "Remember the sabbath day" (Exod 20:8), suggest that the sabbath had been previously known but either forgotten or neglected. The reason given in the commandment for the sanctification of the sabbath day was the example of God at the close of creation (20:9-11). The commandment pointed back to the original institution of the sabbath.
The fourth commandment made the sabbath a distinctive Hebrew institution. It formed an integral part of the covenant which God made with Israel at Sinai. The covenant consisted of "the ten commandments" uttered by the LORD Himself from the mount (Deut 4:13; 5:2-21). The fourth commandment has a central place in that covenant, serving as the connecting link between those commandments having to do with duties toward God and those having to do with duties toward man.

The Ten Commandments are prefixed by a declaration that God had brought Israel out of the land of Egypt (Exod 20:2; Deut 5:6). These words can apply in their literal sense only to the children of Israel. The wording of the commandments themselves also indicates that they were given specifically to the Israelites. The fifth commandment contains a promise of long life in the land which the LORD was about to give to Israel (Exod 20:12; Deut 5:16). Similarly, the Deuteronomic version of the fourth commandment gives the deliverance of Israel from bondage in Egypt as the primary reason for the observance of the sabbath (Deut 5:15). The keeping of the sabbath is elsewhere declared to be the sign of Israel's allegiance to God (Exod 31:13; Neh 9:14). It served to distinguish Israel from the other nations. There can be no doubt that in its original setting and application the sabbath command was a law intended only for the people of Israel.

At the same time it is evident that the fourth commandment contains principles which are applicable to all people. It recognizes the moral duty of man to worship his Creator, for which stated times and places for worship are needed as well as the ceasing from the ordinary employments of life. It recognizes also the basic need of man for a weekly day of rest. Man's history has demonstrated his need for the recuperation of his physical and mental energies once in every seven days as well as his need for a day of the week set apart for spiritual devotion and instruction. The sabbath command provided for these needs of the ancient Israelites.


II. HISTORY OF THE SABBATH
A. The sabbath of the Mosaic legislation.

The regulations for the observance of the sabbath in the Mosaic legislation are relatively simple. The sabbath was to be observed on every seventh day; it was to be observed by all: the servants, the humble beasts of burden, the members of the Hebrew household, and the guests who were staying within their gates were all commanded to cease from labor on that day (Exod 20:8-11; Deut 5:12-15). The humanitarian aspect of this freedom from toil on the sabbath is especially emphasized in Deuteronomy, where the deliverance of Israel from the oppressive bondage of Egypt is given as the reason for the keeping of the sabbath (Deut 5:14, 15). The gathering of manna on the seventh day had been expressly forbidden (Exod 16:27-29). Likewise, the kindling of it fire on the sabbath was forbidden (35:3). The penalty for profaning the sabbath by doing any work on it was death (31:14). A man who was found gathering sticks on the sabbath day was stoned to death. (Num 15:32-36). The sabbath, however, was not a day of total inactivity. The priests carried on their duties about the Tabernacle. The bread of the Presence was to be set on the table in the holy place on the sabbath day (Lev 24:8). A special sacrifice, in addition to the ordinary daily sacrifice, was to be offered on the sabbath day (Num 28:9, 10). The rite of circumcision was performed on the sabbath if that was the eighth day after the child's birth (Lev 12:3; John 7:22). The sabbath is listed among the sacred festivals, "the appointed feasts of the LORD" (23:1-3). It, like them, was proclaimed to be "a holy convocation" (23:3). This can only mean that it was regarded as a day for the calling together of the congregation of Israel to worship. In the early history of the Israelites, the sabbath was a day of welcome rest from labor and of solemn worship at the sanctuary of God.
B. The sabbath in the historical and prophetical books of the Old Testament.


The first mention of the sabbath in the historical books is in 2 Kings 4:23, which contains a question uttered by the husband of the Shunammite woman at whose home Elisha had been entertained. She had asked for one of the servants and one of the donkeys that she might go to see the prophet (4:22). Her husband expressed surprise at her request and said, "Why will you go to him today? It is neither new moon nor sabbath" (4:23). His mention of the sabbath was incidental, but his remark plainly infers that it was customary to suspend work and to visit the prophet on the sabbath.
Visiting a prophet on the sabbath would necessarily he limited to the few. There is evidence that visiting the Temple on the sabbath was a more widespread custom. There are a number of references in Chronicles to the ritual performed in the Temple on that day (I Chron 9:32; 23:31; 2 Chron 2:4; 8:13; 23:4; 31:3). The prophet Isaiah, in his condemnation of the hypocrisy of the worshipers, seems to indicate that assemblies took place in the Temple on that day (Isa 1:13).

Isaiah denounced the formalistic sabbath observance of his time (1:12, 13), and defined true sabbath-keeping as turning from one's own ways and from one's own pleasures, and taking delight in the LORD (58:13, 14). Other prophets raised their voices in protest against the abuse of the sabbath (Jer 17:21, 22; Ezek 22:8; Amos 8:4). They regarded the destruction of Jerusalem and the captivity of the Jews as due, at least in part, to the desecration of the sabbath (Jer 17:27; Ezek 20:23, 24). Hosea predicted that God would make Israel's sabbaths to cease because of her unfaithfulness (Hos 2:11); but that this cessation of sabbath observance was not meant to be permanent is made clear by Isaiah and Ezekiel (Isa 66:23; Ezek 44:24).

During the period of the Exile, the sabbath rose in prominence as compared to the other religious festivals of the Jews, since it was independent of the Temple in Jerusalem, whereas the other festivals were in part dependent on that religions center. In the period of the return from exile, sabbath observance was revived in Palestine, in large measure through the reforms of Nehemiah. On his return to Palestine, he was shocked to see the widespread desecration of the holy day. People labored in the fields, gathered the harvests, and bought and sold publicly on the sabbath day. Nehemiah rebuked the nobles of Judah and ordered the gates of Jerusalem closed during the sabbath (Neh 13:15-22). His vigorous efforts were largely responsible for the establishment of the sabbath as a day of universal rest among the Jews of Palestine.

C. The sabbath in the inter-testamental period.


In the years following the reforms of Nehemiah and Ezra, their successors, the scribes, developed an elaborate code of regulations and restrictions governing sabbath observance. These were intended to safeguard and preserve the spirit of the sabbath, just as the shell protects the kernel. They were an attempt to "hedge in" the law so that its proper observance would be guaranteed. The discussion of actual or hypothetical cases led to the formulation of thirty-nine articles which prohibited all kinds of ordinary agricultural, industrial, and domestic work, unless it was by its nature, or in the circumstances of the case, necessary (G. F. Moore, "Judaism in the First Centuries of the Christian Era," pp. 27-30).
The efforts of the scribes to promote a regard for the Hebrew sabbath were successful. The sabbath became so deeply rooted in Jewish consciousness and so treasured by individual Jews, that in the days of the Maccabees many chose to die rather than desecrate it. The Jews refused to engage in battle, even in self-defense, on their holy day. Later, however, Mattathias, the leader of the revolt against the tyranny of Antiochus IV, ruled that it was permissible to take up arms in self-defense on the sabbath.

The ruling of Mattathias is significant because it was the first of many such rulings designed to liberalize the restrictions of sabbath observance. Many ways were found to get around the letter of the law. The motive for the extended casuistry on the sabbath was undoubtedly to make the law more practicable, but it led to many fanciful and far-fetched interpretations. For example, from the rabbinical interpretation of the command in Exodus 16:29 to "remain every man of you in his place" on the sabbath day, it was determined that a sabbath day's journey might not exceed two thousand cubits beyond one's dwelling. However, if a man had deposited at that distance on the day preceding the sabbath enough food for two meals, he thereby constituted it his dwelling, and hence might go on for another two thousand cubits. Similarly, if families living in private houses which opened into a common court deposited food in the court before the sabbath, thereby establishing a "connection" between the houses and making them one dwelling, they were permitted to carry things from one house to another without breaking the law (A. Edersheim, "The Life and times of Jesus the Messiah," Vol. II, p. 777).

One of the outstanding features of this period was the rise of the synagogue. The synagogue became the center of the religious life of Judaism, not only in those places which were far removed from Jerusalem, but also alongside the Temple in Jerusalem. Attendance at the synagogue became customary on the sabbath day (Luke 4:16). The Hebrew sabbath became distinctively a day of worship, a worship connected largely with the synagogue.

D. The sabbath in the New Testament period.

1. Jesus and the sabbath.


At the beginning of the New Testament period, the true meaning of the sabbath had been obscured by the multitudinous restrictions laid upon its observance. Sabbath observance had largely become external and formal. Men had become more concerned for the punctilious observance of a day than for the poignant needs of human beings. It was inevitable that Jesus should come into conflict with the Jewish leaders over the sabbath. It was Jesus' custom to attend the synagogue on the sabbath (Luke 4:16; Mark 1:21; 3:1; Luke 13:10). In His teaching He upheld the authority and validity of the Old Testament law (Matt 5:17-20; 15:1-6; 19:16-19; 22:35-40; Luke 16:17) His emphasis, however, was not on an external observance of the law, but on a spontaneous performance of the will of God which underlay the law (Matt 5:21-48; 19:3-9). Jesus sought to clarify the true meaning of the sabbath by showing the original purpose for its institution: "The sab. bath was made for man, not man for the sabbath" (Mark 2:27).
On six different occasions Jesus came into direct conflict with Jewish prejudices in regard to the sabbath. He defended His disciples for plucking grain on the sabbath by alluding to the time when David and his men ate the bread of the Presence (Matt 12:1-4; Mark 2:23-26; Luke 6:1-4). By so doing, Jesus placed the sabbath commandment in the same class as the ceremonial law which prohibited the eating of this sacred bread by others than the priests, and taught that human need had precedence over the legal requirements of the sabbath. He also reminded His critics that the priests in the Temple profaned the sabbath and were guiltless (Matt 12:5). He no doubt referred to the practice prescribed by the law of circumcising a male child on the sabbath if that were the eighth day after his birth (Lev 12:3; John 7:22, 23). Thus the ceremonial law requiring the circumcision of the child on the eighth day took precedence over the law of the sabbath. It was on this same occasion that Jesus said that the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath (Mark 2:27), indicating that He regarded the sabbath as a provision for man's need and welfare and not as a burdensome legal requirement. It was also on this occasion that Jesus asserted His lordship over the sabbath (Matt 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5).

Jesus expressed anger over those Jews at the synagogue in Capernaum who showed more concern for the punctilious observance of the sabbath than for a human being who was deprived of the use of a hand, and proceeded to heal the man before them all (Mark 3:1-5). On another occasion, when the ruler of the synagogue became indignant because Jesus healed a woman who had had a spirit of infirmity for eighteen years, He defended His action by appealing to the common practice of untying one's domestic animals to lead them to water on the sabbath (Luke 13:10-17). Again, when Jesus, under the critical eye of the Pharisees, healed a man on the sabbath who had dropsy, He defended His action by asking if His critics would not rescue an ox or a donkey that had fallen into a well on that day (14:1-6).

The remaining two occasions when Jesus' action on the sabbath brought Him into conflict with the Jewish leaders are recorded by John. One was the healing of the sick man at the pool of Bethzatha (John 5:1-18); the other was the healing of the man born blind (9:1-41). On the first of these occasions Jesus defended His right to heal on the sabbath on the grounds that His Father did not suspend His beneficent activity on that day (5:17) and on the second occasion He condemned the spiritual blindness of the Pharisees (9:40, 41).

In all of these instances, Jesus showed that He placed human need above the mere external observance of the sabbath. Jesus never did or said anything to suggest that He intended to take away from man the privileges afforded by such a day of rest. On the other hand, it cannot be said that Jesus intended to perpetuate the Hebrew sabbath or extend its application to all men. As far as the record of the gospels is concerned, He never made mention of the fourth commandment. By emphasizing the principles which lay back of the law, the spirit and purpose of the law instead of its formal and external regulations, He prepared the way for the abolishing of all the external laws and ordinances of the Old Testament.

2. Paul and the sabbath.


The early Christians were loyal Jews. They worshiped daily in the Temple at Jerusalem (Acts 2:46; 5:42). They attended services in the synagogue (Acts 9:20; 13:14; 14:1; 17:1, 2, 10; 18:4). They revered the law of Moses (21:20). The Jewish Christians undoubtedly continued to observe the sabbath. When Gentiles were brought into the Christian community, a problem arose with regard to their relation to the Jewish law. There were those who insisted that it was necessary for them to submit to the rite of circumcision and keep the law of Moses, which would, of course, include the sabbath command (Acts 15:1, 5; Gal 2:3-5). Others, of whom Paul became the leader, affirmed that it was not necessary for the Gentile converts to accept the religion of Judaism. Paul argued that, since they had received the Spirit without observing Jewish law, they were not obligated to adopt Jewish ceremonial [laws] in order to live righteously (Gal 3:2-3; Acts 15:7-10).
The Apostle Paul regarded the law as a yoke of bondage from which the Christian had been set free (Gal 5:1). In his "revolt against external law" (P. Cotton, "From Sabbath to Sunday," p. 11), Paul made no distinction between moral and ceremonial law. It was all a part of that old covenant which was done away in Christ (2 Cor 3:14). The sabbath is definitely included in "the bond which stood against us with its legal demands," which, Paul declares, God canceled and set aside, "nailing it to the cross" (Col 2:14). It is mentioned along with festivals and new moons, all of which are declared to be "only a shadow of what is to come" (2:16, 17). To "observe days, and months, and seasons, and years" is to be slaves to "the weak and beggarly elemental spirits" (Gal 4:9, 10; Col 2:20). The observance of days is a characteristic of "the man who is weak in faith" (Rom 14:1-15).

Paul provides no grounds for imposing the Hebrew sabbath on the Christian. The Christian is free from the burden of the law. The Spirit of Christ enables him to fulfill God's will apart from external observance of the law's demands. The author of Hebrews likewise speaks of the Hebrew sabbath only as a type of "God's rest," which is the inheritance of all the people of God (Heb 4:1-10). He does not tell his readers to keep the sabbath, but rather urges them to "strive to enter that rest" (4:11).

E. The sabbath in the post-New Testament period.


The Early Church Fathers of the 2nd and 3rd Christian centuries were practically unanimous in their view of the Hebrew sabbath. Some insisted that it was completely abrogated; others emphasized its typical character; but all agreed that it was not binding on the Christian. Ignatius, the disciple of the Apostle John, and the bishop of Antioch, wrote to the Magnesians in the early years of the 2nd century: "Be not deceived with strange doctrines, nor with old fables. For if we still live according to the Jewish law, we acknowledge that we have not received grace"; and then goes on to categorize his readers as "those who were brought up in the ancient order of things" but who "have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath" ("The Ante-Nicene Fathers," Vol. I, pp. 62, 63).
Justin Martyr, the first great Christian apologist around the middle of the 2nd century, explains in his "Dialogue with Trypho" why the Christians do not keep the law of Moses, submit to circumcision, or observe the sabbath. He asserts that

(1) True Sabbath observance under the new covenant is the keeping of a perpetual sabbath which consists of turning from sin.

(2) The righteous men of old, Adam, Abel, Enoch, Noah, and the like, pleased God without keeping sabbath.

(3) God imposed the sabbath upon the Israelites because of unrighteousness and hardness of heart

("The Ante-Nicene Fathers," Vol. I, pp. 199, 200, 204, 207).

Irenaeus, the Bishop of Lyons during the latter part of the 2nd century, viewed the sabbath as symbolical of the future kingdom of God, "in which the man who shall have persevered in serving God shall, in a state of rest, partake of God's table" ("Against Heresies, Book IV, Chap. 16, The Ante-Nicene Fathers," Vol. I, p. 481). He cites Abraham as an example of one who believed God "without circumcision and without observance of Sabbaths" (ibid.).

Clement of Alexandria, writing in "The Stromata" around the close of the 2nd century, says: "The sabbath, by abstinence from evil, seems to indicate self-restraint" (Book VII, Chap. 12, "The Ante-Nicene Fathers," Vol. II, p. 545).

Tertullian, at the beginning of the 3rd century, says: "We have nothing to do with Sabbaths or the other Jewish festivals, much less with those of the heathen" ("On Idolatry," Chap. 14, "The Ante-Nicene Fathers," Vol. III, p. 70). In another work he says that those who would contend for the continued obligation of sabbath-keeping and circumcision must show that Adam and Abel, Noah and Enoch, and Melchizedek and Lot also observed these things. He goes on to say that the sabbath was figurative of rest from sin and typical of man's final rest in God. It, together with the other ceremonial regulations of the law, was only intended to last until a new Lawgiver should arise who should introduce the realities of which these were shadows ("An Answer to the Jews," Chap. 2, "The Ante-Nicene Fathers," Vol. III, pp. 153, 155, 156).

The Hebrew sabbath has, of course, continued to be observed by non-Christian Jews to the present time. During the first centuries some Jewish Christians also continued the practice of observing the seventh day of the week as well as the assembly for worship on the first day of the week. But their influence on Christianity, though discernible for several centuries, especially in the East, dwindled rapidly after the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 (P. Cotton, "From Sabbath to Sunday," pp. 58-63). The testimony of the ante-Nicene fathers is that for the vast majority of Christians, the sabbath was a Jewish institution which was not binding on Christian believers.


III. VIEWS OF THE CHRISTIAN'S OBLIGATION TO KEEP THE SABBATH
A. The "Christian sabbath" view.

This view holds that Sunday is the Christian sabbath, the observance of which is a moral obligation based on the fourth commandment of the Decalogue. Philip Schaff, the church historian of England, calls it the "Anglo-American theory" because it has been so widely held in Great Britain and the United States. He traces its origin to the Puritans at the close of the 16th cent. (P. Schaff, "History of the Christian Church," Vol. VI, p. 494).
This view emphasizes the divine institution of the sabbath at the close of creation. God's blessing and sanctification of the seventh day is taken to mean that He intended one day in seven to be observed by all men in all ages as a sacred day of rest and worship. The fourth commandment of the Decalogue, which alludes to the primeval institution of the sabbath, is regarded as a moral command, and therefore of universal and perpetual obligation. It is argued that the day of the week on which the sabbath is to be kept was not of the essence of the law, but rather the observance of one day in every seven. Jesus affirmed that He was "Lord even of the sabbath" (Mark 2:28) and therefore had the authority to change the day of its observance. It usually is held that this change took place during the forty days between Christ's resurrection and ascension, when He spoke to them concerning the kingdom of God (Acts 1:3).

Sabbatarians insist that Jesus intended to perpetuate the sabbath and extend its application to all men. Much stress is laid on the statement of Jesus, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath" (Mark 2:27), as evidence that Jesus regarded the sabbath as an institution which is grounded in the very constitution of man, and which was instituted by God from the very beginning not only for Israel but for the whole human race (W. F. Crafts, "The Sabbath for Man," p. 366). The teachings of Paul regarding the sabbath are taken to refer only to the Jewish sabbath and not to the "Christian sabbath."

This view has appealed to many Christians because it seeks to establish a firm Scriptural basis for the observance of Sunday by grounding its observance on the fourth commandment. The Bible does teach that God instituted the sabbath at the close of creation (Gen 2:3). The sabbath is identified as "the seventh day" (Gen 2:3; Exod 16:29; 20:10; Deut 5:14), not as one day in seven. There is a moral element in the fourth commandment, for it provides for the worship of God. There are, however, also ceremonial elements in the commandment which applied only to the Israelites. While this command is included among the moral laws of the Decalogue, it is also included among those civil and religious observances which were obviously temporal and provisional. Jesus Himself treated the sabbath law as ceremonial when He defended His disciples for plucking grain on the sabbath. A moral law could never be suspended by circumstances of hunger or by the requirements of a merely ceremonial regulation. Paul made no distinction between ceremonial and moral laws when he declared that all external law is abrogated for the Christian.

The basic weakness of this theory is the teaching that a change was made in the day of the week to be observed as the sabbath. There is not the slightest hint in the New Testament that Jesus transferred the sabbath to another day of the week, nor that anyone else did so. Furthermore, if one insists on the perpetual and universal obligation of the fourth commandment, and at the same time recognizes that there is no New Testament ground for a change in the day of its observance, the only logical position to which he is forced is to maintain that the seventh day of the week, and not the first day, should be observed as the sabbath, as the fourth commandment stipulates. This is precisely the position which is taken by the Seventh-day sabbatarians.

B. The seventh-day sabbath view.


This view, held by the Seventh-day Baptists who originated in England in the 17th century, and by the Seventh-day Adventists who originated in America in the 19th century, insists that Christians are obligated to keep the seventh day of the week as the sabbath. In support of this position, they appeal largely to the Old Testament, especially to the language of the fourth commandment, which, they point out, clearly states that the seventh day is the sabbath, appointed by God to commemorate His work of creation. The Ten Commandments are referred to as "the law of God," to be distinguished from the ceremonial and civil laws which are called "the law of Moses" (A. L. Baker, "Belief and Work of Seventh-Day Adventists," p. 74).
The seventh-day sabbatarians also find evidence for the observance of the seventh day in the New Testament. They appeal to the practice of Jesus and the apostles of attending the synagogue on the sabbath (Luke 4:16; Acts 13:14, 42; 16:13; 17:1-2; 18:4). They appeal to Jesus' prophecy regarding the destruction of Jerusalem and His exhortation that His disciples pray that their flight should not be on the sabbath (Matt 24:20). They even contend that the reference in Revelation 1:10 to "the Lord's day" is a reference to the seventh-day sabbath (ibid., pp. 73, 74).

Since, according to the Seventh-day Adventists, it is useless to search for the change from seventh day observance to first day observance in the New Testament, they assert that this change was made by the Roman Catholic Church. They teach that, during the early centuries of the Church, a great apostasy set in, in which the pagan festival of Sunday was gradually substituted for the ancient sabbath by "unconsecrated leaders of the Church" and by the half-pagan emperor Constantine (E. G. White, "The Great Controversy," pp. 58, 59).

The insistence of seventh-day sabbatarians on the wholly moral character of the fourth commandment and on its perpetual and universal obligation is based upon statements which find no support in the Bible. They ignore the clear statements that the fourth commandment was addressed to the Israelites whom the LORD had delivered from Egypt. Moreover, the distinction which they make between "the law of God" and "the law of Moses" is not supported by Scripture. Likewise, their interpretation of the words of Christ and of Paul which are quoted in defense of the perpetuity of the sabbath command, if pressed to its logical conclusion, proves too much. The word "law" as used by Jesus and Paul refers to more than just the Ten Commandments. Seventh-day sabbatarians do not insist that all the laws of the Mosaic legislation are meant to be observed by Christians in this age. But, they fail to see that Paul definitely included the sabbath command among those ordinances which were done away in Christ. Their claim that the Roman Catholic Church changed the sabbath from the seventh day to the first day of the week is without foundation. In spite of some Roman Catholic writers that claim that such a change was made by "the Catholic Church," the evidence from the Early Church Fathers is conclusive that these early church leaders did not regard Sunday as a continuation of the Hebrew sabbath.

While later writers came to think of Sunday as bearing some analogy to the Hebrew sabbath, and others called the Christian holy day a sabbath (Eusebius, "Commentary on the Ninety-first Psalm," quoted by J. A. Hessey, "Sunday," pp. 299, 300; Alcuin, "Homily 18, post Pentecost," quoted by A. E. J. Rawlinson, "The World's Question and the Christian Answer," p. 78; P. Alphonsus quoted by Hessey, "Sunday," p. 903), they grounded its observance more on the authority of the Church than on the fourth commandment. The Reformers, although they advocated the Christian observance of Sunday, did not base its observance on the sabbath command.


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G. F. Moore, "Judaism in the First Centuries of the Christian Era," Vol. II

Found at: http: //www.apologeticsindex.org/s03.html

Although none of this is essential to ones salvation And is pretty much Provably, biblically sound and supported by other respected apologists and Discrenment ministries.
 

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I didn't read your ENTIRE post here Paradox, but yes, I believe Christians should make every effort to keep the Sabbath Holy. Now by proclaiming this, I am sitting back with my marshmellows awaiting the FLAMES...

If it interferes with keeping a job, and your boss insists you work Sundays, then work Sundays. Reserve at least one day of rest, reflect on the past, present & future....attend Church. I do believe the Sabbath is refered to as Saturday- so it doesn't necessarily peg Sunday as the only day Christians can take for a Sabbath. But the body & mind DO NEED REST. And out of respect and reverance for the LORD...make that sacrafice to rest. It's kind of like, you don't need to be sitting in Church to make a joyful noise unto the Lord....you can do that in your car, the shower, while you're cooking dinner. The point is- even the Lord rested.
In this day & age- keeping your employment versus loosing it over church attendance on Sunday morning...better keep your job. The Lord knows where your heart is.
 

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may be best to read the whole thing, but in summary, roughly speaking, My point was that it doesnt matter what day we rest so Long as we glorify God with our lives, as our rest is In Christ Jesus. We, as New covenant believers are no longer bound to the old Covenant laws.
 

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Jen,
may be best to read the whole thing, but in summary, roughly speaking, My point was that it doesnt matter what day we rest so Long as we glorify God with our lives, as our rest is In Christ Jesus. We, as New covenant believers are no longer bound to the old Covenant laws.
Hi Paradox. Like I told thoughtgirl, we probably agree on somewhere between 95% and 99% of what the Bible says. It's too bad when Christians allow that 1% - 5% of disagreement to cause divisions but it has been happening since the death of Christ (and probably even during His life).

I believe that if it's within our power to keep the 7th day Holy and to rest that we should attempt to do so. There will be circumstances beyond our control and I believe our loving and forgiving God will realize the situation. As texjen says we humans need to rest our bodies and minds and to take a brake from the daily grind. As compboy pointed out, there are those who are required to work on the Sabbath day i.e. doctors, nurses, police officers, soldiers, etc. These professions MUST take care of their responsibilities all the time. However, I don't believe that Walmart, restaurants, grocery stores, etc. should be open on the Sabbath day and they wouldn't be if nobody bought products or services on that day.

Anyway, had God not made such an issue in Genesis 2:2,3 about resting on the 7th day and sanctifying that day and had the 4th Commandment not been so emphatic about keeping that day holy, perhaps I would have a completely different view of things.

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Your way of looking at it I can respect. I make sure my wife, kids and I spend one day at home together we aren't celebrating God due to a difference in faith. It is a day we spend with each other contemplating our present future and past getting to know each other again and being thankful for the things we do have. That was yesterday we had dinner together and sent time talking but I can't see myself going some where else. Our family day is like your sabbath but I doubt you will see it that way :)
 

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Your way of looking at it I can respect. I make sure my wife, kids and I spend one day at home together we aren't celebrating God due to a difference in faith. It is a day we spend with each other contemplating our present future and past getting to know each other again and being thankful for the things we do have. That was yesterday we had dinner together and sent time talking but I can't see myself going some where else. Our family day is like your sabbath but I doubt you will see it that way :)
A family day is a blessing to your entire family. There are so many families who never spend time together or if they do, it's watching the television. Saturday is the 7th day of the week. Even if you and your family spent a few minutes together praising Jesus Christ for all of your blessings and for the gift of each other, I believe God would hear from on high and be delighted to hear your voices. He's our Father. He wants his children to love him like you wish your children to love you. We're made in His image. He has emotions like He instilled in us. Make Him a part of your family day for He is a part of your family.
 
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Dr. Walter Martin...AUTHORITATIVE?

Not in my opinion. He has a slanted view that obscures the Mosaic portion and the 10 Commandments. It's common and I certainly judge no man in this regard. But I, with my whole heart, disagree emphatically with this view. I am thankful that we can at least "put it on the table" and discuss it as true men/woman because it needs looked at IN DEPTH. We must all keep an open mind lest we obscure light that may be wanting to shine brightly!

I remember reading "Kingdom of the Cults" years back...had tons to say about ALL the biggies. What struck me as VERY strange is that he didn't mention the biggest cult of all (hint: sun-day idol worshippers) that is 1 billion strong! Slanted view...???????

I do not count Sabbath keepers and Sun-day folks as rivals...we are brothers and sisters looking to please our Beloved in the ways He desires.
 

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Jen,
may be best to read the whole thing, but in summary, roughly speaking, My point was that it doesnt matter what day we rest so Long as we glorify God with our lives, as our rest is In Christ Jesus. We, as New covenant believers are no longer bound to the old Covenant laws.
I dig...sorry for not reading it all...I skimmed, scanned...cheated. I am, after all...a sinner. I know where you are coming from. :D:
 

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Pretty good breakdown on the "added" law...

 
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Once again;
The Sabbath was God's special day for the Jews under the Old Covenant.
The Lord's Day ( as per Rev 1:10 , the first day of the week ) is God's special day for the church under the New Covenant.
The Sabbath symbolizes salvation by works - six days labor, then rest. The Lord's Day symbolizes salvation by grace - first rest, then works will follow. The Sabbath, sacrifices, dietary laws, the priesthood and the tabernacle/temple were all done away in Jesus Christ for the Church.
We are no longer bound by the Law , we are under Grace ( God's free gift ) Purchased by Christ Jesus our redeemer, with his shed blood.
 

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The Sabbath day was not changed. The Gentile early church members did not observe the Sabbath like the Jews did. That was not their custom. In fact, they were getting upset that people were ridiculing them for not observing it. I believe it was Paul that addressed this issue with them (sorry, don't have the time to dig right now). They did, however, observe the Lord's Day. That day is Sunday. On this day, they participated in the reading of scripture and the fellowship of the family in Christ.

I was raised (and I'm fairly certain my parents still believe this) that the Sabbath is Sunday. I do not believe this anymore. I believe it is Saturday. But I do not believe that I cannot work on Saturdays. I choose to make Sunday my day of rest. This is the day where more of my focus is on God and everything else pretty much goes out the window.

Is the Lord's Day (Sunday) THE Sabbath? No. But it is the day that the majority of Gentile believers have chosen to take for the Lord. And this is alright. God blesses us for observing Him and taking that day to rest, whether we choose to follow the old law or live out of grace.
 

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Sabbath of Creation...



The Sabbath was given BEFORE the fall, BEFORE sin, BEFORE we needed a Savior, as a memorial of Creation. It is Not Jewish, it is not a Mosaic institution, it is not bondage. It is the Sabbath Rest of Yahweh, the 4th. Commandment...the one that begins with REMEMBER! Yahshua said it was MADE FOR MAN, not just a "Jew"; but MANKIND. Yahshua's 1/2 brother James said break one law, you break them all...package deal...it was made, as well the other 9 commands, for our own good, to see us through our wilderness journey. Who would DARE call the other 9 "old law"?

It was given when our weekly cycle of 7 days was instituted...before shadows and types, before anything that was remotely given that pointed to Messiah. It has our Fathers SEAL all through it...Creator of heaven and earth, in Isaiah 58:13 Father calls it "MY HOLY DAY", and we are to call it a delight...NOT legalism! That misses the whole point of this blessed, sanctified day!

What if there had NEVER been a fall...what is sin NEVER entered into the world...would be still have a Sabbath Day? YES!

There has never been a Biblical change and it has never been annulled. It was at Creation, it will be in the millennium as well.
 

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Thanks temu. I don't want to be argumentative but may I ask a question? Was God being "legalistic" when He rested on the 7th day? Am I wrong in using God Almighty, our Creator, as my example? God rested in Adam's day. Was Adam the forefather of the Israelites only or of all mankind? Is there any significance in the number 7?


7(7) THE NUMBER OF SPIRITUAL PERFECTION. Seven days in a week. Seven colors in the spectrum. Seven of the 10 commandments begin with the word "not." There are 7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 parables in Matthew, and 7 promises to the churches. There are 7 "eternals" in Hebrews which are: A priest for ever (1:6); Eternal salvation (1:9); Eternal judgment (6:2); eternal redemption (9:12); eternal spirit (9:14); eternal inheritance (9:15); and everlasting covenant (13:20). Jesus said 7 things on the cross: 1) Luke 23:34 "Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots; 2) Luke 23:43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise"; 3) Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" -- which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"; 4) John 19:26 "When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son"; 5) John 19:28 "Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, "I am thirsty." 6) John 19:30 "When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit"; and 7) Luke 23:46 "Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last." There are 7 churches in Revelation, 7 years of tribulation.

The number SEVEN is one of the most significant numbers in the Holy Bible.
This is a chapter from the book, Biblical Mathematics, written by Evangelist, Ed F. Vallowe.




When man began to analyze and combine numbers, he developed other interesting symbols. He took the perfect world number FOUR and added to it the perfect divine number, THREE, and got SEVEN, the most sacred number to the Hebrews. It was earth crowned with heaven -- the four-square earth plus the divine COMPLETENESS OF GOD. So we have SEVEN expressing COMPLETENESS through union of earth with heaven. This number is used more than all other numbers in the Word of God, save the number ONE.
In the Book of Revelation the number SEVEN is used throughout. There are SEVEN churches, SEVEN Spirits, SEVEN stars, SEVEN seals, SEVEN trumpets, SEVEN vials, SEVEN personages, SEVEN dooms, and SEVEN new things. SEVEN symbolizes Spiritual Perfection. All of life revolves around this number. SEVEN is used over 700 times in the Bible. It is used 54 times in the Book of Revelation.
The whole Word of God is founded upon the number SEVEN. It stands for the SEVENTH day of the Creation Week, and speaks of the Millennial Rest day. It denotes COMPLETENESS or PERFECTION.
In Leviticus 23:15-16, the number SEVEN and the Sabbath, which was the SEVENTH day, is connected with the word COMPLETE. The word COMPLETE follows after the words “SEVEN SABBATH” (Seventh day). The day following the SEVENTH sabbath there was something NEW that took place.
The word FINISHED is also connected with the number SEVEN. In Revelation 10:7 we read,
“In the days of the voice of the SEVENTH angel, when he shall begin to sound the mystery of God should be FINISHED.”
“It is DONE” is another expression found in connection with the number Seven.
“And the SEVENTH angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne saying, It is DONE.” (Revelation 16:17)
The word CREATED is used SEVEN times in connection with God’s creative work. (Genesis 1:1; Genesis 1:21; 1:27 (three times); 2:3; and 2:4). God created all things in the beginning and then took six days of restoring His creation and then rested on the SEVENTH day. (Genesis 2:1-3). He appointed SEVEN days for the week, and most, if not all advanced nations reckon time in that way: SEVEN days to the week. Few ever stop to think of why there are SEVEN days in a week. Do atheists and infidels give God and the Bible credit for it?
There are SEVEN notes in the musical scale. All other pitches are only variations of these. When the musician uses the eighth note he goes back to “do” and starts over. Man named the notes but God fixed the sounds, even as God fixed the days of the week, and man named them.
Noah took the clean beasts into the ark by SEVENS (Genesis 7:2) SEVEN days after Noah went into the ark the flood came. (Genesis 7:-10) Peter tells about the long-suffering of God waiting in the days of Noah. (I Peter 3:21) Those SEVEN days COMPLETED God’s time of waiting.
Before Aaron and his sons entered their priestly work they were consecrated SEVEN days. (Leviticus 8:31-36) Here is a picture of a life COMPLETELY or WHOLLY consecrated or dedicated to the Lord for service.
On the day of atonement the high priest sprinkled the blood upon the mercy seat SEVEN times. (Leviticus 16:14) This is a picture of the COMPLETENESS of the redemptive work of Christ.
“By his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." (Hebrews 9:12)
When Christ offered Himself that FINISHED the sacrificial offerings. They were ended. No longer must we place sacrifices upon an altar.
When Israel took the city of Jericho God told them to march around the city SEVEN times. Thus, on the SEVENTH day, when they marched around the city SEVEN times, they COMPLETED their marching. (Joshua 6:1-16)
There were SEVEN FEAST days of our Lord. (Passover, Unleavened, First-fruits, Pentecost, Atonement, Trumpets and Tabernacle). (Leviticus 23:1-44)
There were SEVEN branches on the CANDLESTICK in the Holy Place in the Tabernacle and this pictures the COMPLETE light of God for the souls of man.
Solomon was SEVEN years in building the Temple and kept the Feast for SEVEN days. Job had SEVEN sons. When his friends came to visit him they sat SEVEN days and SEVEN nights in silence, and afterward they were required to offer a Burnt Offering of SEVEN bullocks and SEVEN rams. Naaaman washed SEVEN times in the Jordan. The Saviour spoke SEVEN words from the Cross. SEVEN men of honest report were chosen to administer the alms of the church in Acts 6:1-7. There were SEVEN years of plenty and SEVEN years of famine in Egypt during the days of Joseph.
SEVEN times in the Book of Revelation blessing of the Lord are promised to His people. These are called the “BEATITUDES” of Revelation. These are found in Chapters 1:3; 14:13; 16:15; 19:9; 20:6; 22:7, 14.
There are SEVEN Dispensations -- Innocence, Conscience, Government, Patriarchal, Law, Grace, and Milleniah (sic) Age.
SEVEN times the Book of Life is mentioned in the Bible. The Book of Revelation is a Book of SEVENS. We have SEVEN churches, SEVEN seals, SEVEN Trumpets, SEVEN Personages, SEVEN vails (sic), SEVEN dooms, SEVEN new things. SEVEN SEVENS make up this Book . It is the COMPLETENESS of all things.
Jesus said to “forgive SEVENTY times SEVEN“ In other words, He is saying, “Keep on forgiving until you are complete.” Even the duration of Israel’s great punishments was based upon this law of SEVENS. Their captivity in Babylon was for SEVENTY years, ten periods of SEVENS. (Jeremiah 25:11-12; Daniel l9:2)
Life operates in a cycle of SEVENS. Changes take place in the body every SEVEN years. There are SEVEN bones in the neck, SEVEN bones in the face, SEVEN bones in the ankle, and SEVEN holes in the head. Most births are multiple of SEVENS. The hen sits three weeks (21 days); the pigeon two weeks (14 days); after having laid eggs for two weeks. Of 129 species of Mammalia (sic) the majority have a period from conception to birth of an exact number of weeks, a multiple of SEVEN.
Human physiology is constructed on a law of SEVENS. Children are born to mothers in a certain number of weeks usually 280 days, a multiple of SEVENS. Fevers and intermittent attacks of gout, ague, and similar complaints have a period of operation of SEVEN, FOURTEEN or TWENTY-ONE days knows as critical days.
All departments of nature are marked all over with mathematics. In this realm practically everything is in SEVENS. Notice next time the shape of frost when it crystallizes on the window. Notice the small snow flakes. It is wonderful how God formed everything in a pattern of SEVENS.
It would be well for the reader to always remember the SEVEN means COMPLETENESS or SPIRITUAL PERFECTION. Whenever you come to a SEVEN in the Word of God read the meaning and the message is plain.
SEVEN is found 735 times in the Bible. SEVENFOLD is mentioned 6 times and SEVENTH is found 119 times. The SEVENTH time Noah’s name occurs is where it is said, “Noah was a just man, and PERFECT in his generations.” (Genesis 6:9)
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Just the tip of the iceburg AJ!

Thanks temu. I don't want to be argumentative but may I ask a question? Was God being "legalistic" when He rested on the 7th day? Am I wrong in using God Almighty, our Creator, as my example? God rested in Adam's day. Was Adam the forefather of the Israelites only or of all mankind? Is there any significance in the number 7?


7(7) THE NUMBER OF SPIRITUAL PERFECTION. Seven days in a week. Seven colors in the spectrum. Seven of the 10 commandments begin with the word "not." There are 7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 parables in Matthew, and 7 promises to the churches. There are 7 "eternals" in Hebrews which are: A priest for ever (1:6); Eternal salvation (1:9); Eternal judgment (6:2); eternal redemption (9:12); eternal spirit (9:14); eternal inheritance (9:15); and everlasting covenant (13:20). Jesus said 7 things on the cross: 1) Luke 23:34 "Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots; 2) Luke 23:43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise"; 3) Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" -- which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"; 4) John 19:26 "When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son"; 5) John 19:28 "Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, "I am thirsty." 6) John 19:30 "When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit"; and 7) Luke 23:46 "Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last." There are 7 churches in Revelation, 7 years of tribulation.

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Nope...your right on the money!

It is so sad that our Father's Creationally appointed day has been so stigmatized with falsity..."jewish", "legalistic", "salvation by works", "mosaic", "bondage", "fulfilled", "changed to the Christian Sun-day", "old law"...it's as if it can't even be seen for what it actually is anymore!

Yes, 7 is the number of Spiritual perfection, completion. All manner of uses of 7 in Scripture, multiples, etc. 70x7, 490 years, 70 weeks--who can know them all? Just when I thought I had a pretty good idea, along comes an intense study by Dr. Ivan Panin--have you heard of him? Here is a SHORT study he did (and so much more elsewhere):

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin3.htm

As we know, many thought there had been an interpolation in the last verses of the book of Mark...he PROVED it to be true numerically! The man is brilliant in his studies. He used to be an athiest until he saw that NO MAN could account for these things...he even challenged the big hitters at the time who were heads of universities (athiests as well) to attempt to write even a few lines and have it accomplish what he found.

I have his old, out of print materials that were given to me years ago. Simply amazing...all Scripture has a "warp and woof" of sevens all through it! I shared with a friend of mine several years back...he studied for several days and said "now that produced a worm effect" (how insignificant we are compared to Him).

The camels and the well post also shows the 10 camels (commandments) and our wilderness journey...if our Spiritual eyes are open!

The Sabbath rest of Creation also points to our ETERNAL millennial rest...EVERYONE WILL BE SABBATH KEEPERS IN THE KINGDOM!
 
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These are very telling quotes...

The Sabbath day was not changed.

Agreed.

I choose to make Sunday my day of rest.

Is it YOUR choice?

Is the Lord's Day (Sunday) THE Sabbath? No. But it is the day that the majority of Gentile believers have chosen to take for the Lord.

Is it the MAJORITY of the "Gentiles" choice?
I am not being argumentative and I certainly enjoys your posts and consider you my sister in Him. This is a post to discuss these matters and I pray you are in no wise offended. You mentioned Gentiles...do YOU consider yourself a Gentile now, or FORMER Gentile? If you don't want to post, feel free to PM, OK?
 

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The Old Testament law is never quoted or enforced for the believers in the New Testament after Christ ascends. What we find is the Scriptures saying is that the law is put aside. This can only mean the Law of the Old Testament Col. 2:14-16. The commandments are only mentioned twice in New Testament; both times it states they are abolished! Heb. 8:13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.”

Law keepers claim that the 10 commandments are not the old covenant? That the old covenant that was abolished was not the Ten Commandments but are the Law of Moses; meaning the civil/ceremonial only. The support for this position is not there. The Bible clearly teaches that the Sabbath was part of the OLD covenant.

God said that I will make a new Covenant. Heb.8:7-8: “For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.” V.8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.” He’s saying the first covenant was not perfect and needed to be changed, replaced with another.

The Bible says the 10 commandments ARE THE OLD COVENANT!

Are the 10 different from the rest of the Law of Moses or were they inclusive? This is the critical issue that needs to be seen so that one can know which is the old covenant and how to practice the new covenant. If confused one will not understand what is to be put aside or carried over in practice in the New Testament covenant.

This is not something that takes hours of studying in the Scriptures, all one needs to do is read it!

Exodus 31:16-18 “Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. ‘It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.”’ And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.”

Exodus 34:27-28: “Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.” The 10 commandments are the Old Testament covenant.

Deuteronomy 4:13: “So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.” The tablets of stone are the covenant.

Deuteronomy 9:9: “When I went up to the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant which the Lord had made with you, then I remained on the mountain forty days and nights; I neither ate bread nor drank water. V.11 “And it came to pass, at the end of forty days and forty nights, that the LORD gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.”

1 Kings 8:9,21: vs.9 There was nothing in the ark except the two tablets of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, where the Lord made a covenant with the sons of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.” ... V21 “And there I have set a place for the ark, in which is the covenant of the Lord, which He made with our fathers when He brought them from the land of Egypt.”

2 Chronicles 6:11: “And there I have set the ark, in which is the covenant of the Lord, which He made with the sons of Israel.”

Crystal Clear isn’t it, the tablets are the old covenant. How do we know? God said so! They are not Moses covenant but the Old Covenant. So there should be no argument from a reading of the Word of God interpreting itself on this crucial matter.

Now that we have established what is the old covenant we can go on developing our understanding what is the Book of the law.

God's concern was that Israel should keep His covenant by not breaking the laws and incur punishment. He wanted to bless them. Ex.31:16: God commanded Moses to write down the words of the law and he delivered it to the Levites. (In Deut.29:1 it states, “These are the words of the Covenant…besides the covenant made in Horeb.” (There were additions made in Moab for the land)

Deut.31:26: “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;” Moses would refer to the book of the law (covenant) for the simple reason it included the 10. Exod.24:7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the LORD has said we will do, and be obedient.” Here we have the first mention of this book of the Covenant which certainly would include the 10 Commandments which are the Covenant. The peoples response shows us it had to be included for them to obey all that the Lord had said. Deut.28:15 we will obey all his commandments not just the 10.For them to do this it had to be in what Moses wrote.

Everything God spoke is a commandment not just what he wrote. What Moses required is called “God's commandments.” (Deut. 28:1, 15) Num. 15:40: “and that you may remember and do all My commandments, and be holy for your God.” Deut. 6:25 'Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before the LORD our God, as He has commanded us. Deut 11:22,13:18 ; Josh 22:5: “But take careful heed to do the commandment and the law which Moses the servant of the LORD commanded you, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways, to keep His commandments.”

2 Chron.7:9 the 10 commandments do not have numbers, that is a tradition of man, none is greater or lesser, they are a unit. Did God speak the other 603 laws to Moses besides writing the 10? Yes. Are not these not also commandments? Yes! Does God say obey all my commandments? Yes! This is why we are either under the old or new covenant. One cannot abolish parts of it, either it is all put aside or none of it is. It's not a question of which old covenant laws to keep, but which covenant we are to observe.

God told Moses that all of His words (moral, civil, ceremonial, etc.) were to be given as commandments to Israel, as a covenant between God and Israel, it was all a unit and it was all the law of Moses. Lev. 27:34: “These are the commandments which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel on Mount Sinai.” II King 23:3: “Then the king stood by a pillar and made a covenant before the LORD, to follow the LORD and to keep His commandments and His testimonies and His statutes, with all his heart and all his soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. “ Here we see that the covenant was written in the book which is the 10 commandments.

Does anyone in the Old Testament refer to the 10 commandments specifically separate from the rest of the law and ordinances after they were given? Are the 10 given any priority above the others? I challenge anyone to find such a teaching, because they were all a unit as the law of Moses, just as they are referred to in the New Testament by Jesus.

Ex. 31:23: “The Lord said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he wrote upon the tablets the words of the covenant, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.”

Once we identify the “10 commandments “ with the Mosaic/old covenant which is “done away” with in Christ the deathblow is dealt to the teaching of the 7th Day Adventists and other Sabbatarian groups. This proves they have no scriptural justification to continue the practice of the old covenant today (by obligation). Yet they go to great lengths to deny that this is being taught in Scripture. They find all the Scriptures that describe certain parts of the law but will not bring attention to the others that define it. Their only choice is to divide the law into two sections. The ceremonial is then attributed Moses and the moral which is from God. The former, they name the Law of Moses, which was abolished; the latter part was the Law of God which is still to be observed. But the Scriptures never support this division or practice, it actually states the opposite. The terms “ law of Moses” and “law of God” are used interchangeably for both the ceremonial and moral parts of the law (2 Chron.31; Num. 31: 21). A careful study and one finds this taught in both the Old and New Testament.

S.D.A. teach that the Law of Moses was written in a book put outside the ark, and the Ten Commandments which were inscribed on stone by God were put inside the ark. The10 have greater significance because of its positioning . “What God wrote is eternal what Moses wrote is not.” The Ten Commandments were only the first installment of what is known as the Book of the Law, or the Book of the Covenant . These were spoken by God from Mount Sinai to the Israelites below. However in Ex. 24:12 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I have written, that you may teach them.” Here God distinguishes all the facets of the law yet he is credited for giving it all to Moses. Nehemiah the prophet states “You came down also on Mount Sinai, and spoke with them from heaven, and gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments.” (Neh. 9:13) “So God gave all of the facets of the law which made up the covenant. It is all inclusive, the law what to and to do as well as how to deal with it when it is broken.

When we look at the purpose of the tabernacle the priest was only allowed to enter in once a year. The priests function was related to the ark as he sprinkled the blood of the animal over the mercy seat for the sins of the people who broke the law. The blood was sprinkled over the ark to cover the sins the people committed. it is not insignificant that the law was under the blood, since it was the law the people broke. All of these are shadows and typology of Christ who would be the eternal high priest and sprinkle his blood over the mercy seat so that we could be forgiven permanently.

The law that was performed with the priesthood and all that was inside was taken away when the temple was destroyed after Christ came. Without the place where sacrifices could be made their could be no atonement. Christ came fulfilling the Old Testament types of sacrifice. The very reason God had the temple destroyed is showing the priesthood, the law would be replaced and the sacrifices removed with a single permanent one. This is the very reason only the high priest could enter the temple, the law was in the ark and the book of the law testified against them. He acted as the mediator for the nation.

In the old covenant, there was no hope of eternal life for anybody who broke any of the laws set down. Can we find any example of Israel keeping the law? No, we see the exact opposite, they struggled and consistently failed. The law was never intended to bring salvation or justify someone. Its purpose was not to save, but show how futile it was to do good works without God's mercy. It was to teach people the need for salvation in the savior by His grace. Likewise in the New Testament the law could never justify or sanctify since this is attributed to the work of Christ through the Holy Spirit.

Paul describes the Mosaic covenant in 2 Cor.3: 7. He then identifies the Ten Commandments with the covenant “done away” in Christ.” God mentions the law is temporary, who knows better the 7th day keepers or God? Only the new covenant is an everlasting Covenant for all people (Heb.13:20).

Gal.5:2: “If you receive circumcision you are obligated to keep the entire law.” Why, because its a unit. Paul is saying here that if one insists on keeping the letter of the law (the Old Covenant), Christ's sacrifice is of no use. All 613 laws (which include the Ten Commandments) are inclusive, not just what one wishes to pick and choose to keep. As Paul uses a requirement that was not of the 10 but included in the law, circumcision. In verse 3 he says we become a debtor to keep the whole law and v.4 states we have fallen from grace.

We are left with two choices: Jesus fulfilled the law for us and freed us from the dominion of the Old Covenant, or we must keep every part of the Old Covenant. These are our only choices.

Rom.3:20: “For through the Law {comes} the knowledge of sin.” This is the same law Paul speaks about that condemns and makes one guilty, it is the 10 commandments and anything else contrary to God.

Paul’s teaches that the Mosaic covenant was “done away in Christ” including the ten commandments; this is strengthened by the statement of the Law itself. We read we are not under the law but grace. Paul writes in Romans 7 an illustration of one under the law who is married and when the husband dies she is released to marry another, but if her spouse has not died she is then committing adultery.V.5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. V.6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. V.7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” V.8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. V.9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. V.10-13 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. Paul defines the commandments as the 10 which are the law. Their purpose was to produce sin to activate it. What Commandment keepers want us to do is put ourselves under the keeping of these, which stir up the sin nature. When the very purpose of the Holy Spirit was given to control and change it. Paul declared, “We serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written letter” (Rom. 7:6)

The writer of Heb.8:7-8 states “ For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.” He’s saying the first covenant is not perfect, not in itself but because of mankind.

Heb 7:11-12: “ Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.” The priests were in charge of the sacrifices, they made sure the peoples sins would be forgiven. Once the Levitical priesthood was passé, there was so was the need for continual sacrifices. The whole law revolved around this system for forgiveness. Therefore the law and mans relationship to it also changed.

Heb. 8:13 “In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.” Here he says the believer is not to be ruled by its dictates, it is obsolete, put aside, it no longer is our instructor. But it is for those who are lawless as 1 Tim.1:9 states. Those who live a life ignoring God and his standards.

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Rom.7:10-11: “And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. The commandment never brought life just the opposite.

The Ten Commandments are described as “the ministry of death”! This is because of the relationship in which they are placed in the Mosaic covenant. They were set before Israel with the words: “Cursed is every man that continues not to do all the words of this law” (Deut. 27: 26; Gal. 3: 10). In Deut.27:11 Moses had all of Israel's curses that related to the 10 commandments. In this re-ratifying of the covenant, it broadened the scope of their application. There was no hope of eternal life for anybody who broke any of the laws set down. They did not, nor could not receive salvation by obedience. But in Christ there is hope of forgiveness. The “Law of Christ” (1 Cor. 9: 21). Paul reaffirms nine of these commands giving them amplification, and presents a new meaning to the fourth (the Sabbath law). The new covenant is called the “perfect law of liberty” in contrast to the covenant of death the ten commandments, because it can release us from sin and death ( James 2: 8-12), something the Mosaic Covenant never could do.

The10 Commandments, of which the law of the Sabbath is the fourth, were written by the finger of God on tablets of stone. These commandments are called the “ministry of death” and the “ministry of condemnation,” “written and engraved in stone” (2 Corinthians 3:7,9), which ministry, the HOLY SPIRIT tells us, is “passing away” and is “abolished” (verses 11,13), in its place we have the “ministry of the Spirit” and “the ministry of righteousness” (verses 8,9).

The 10 commandments are referred to collectively only twice in the NT, in Heb. 9:1-4 and 2 Cor. 3 as the TABLETS OF THE COVENANT.” In Heb. 8:13 God says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete this he refers to the 10 commandments. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.” In Heb. 9:1-4 The author continues by describing what would fade, saying “… Now even the first covenant had ordinance of divine service and the earthly sanctuary” he then goes and describes the tabernacle showing its relationship to the old covenant, vs.4 the tables of the covenant.” II King 23:3: “Then the king stood by a pillar and made a covenant before the LORD, to follow the LORD and to keep His commandments and His testimonies and His statutes, with all his heart and all his soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book.” You cannot find in the Old Testament any reference to the 10 commandments specifically separate from the rest of the law and ordinances after they were first given. Because they were all a unit as the law of Moses, just as they are referred to in the New Testament. The covenant was written in the book. Remember the book of the law (Deuteronomy) contained the 10 commandments also (Deut.5).

Where is the Ark now? Gone like the Old Testament priesthood and sacrifices. Its removal is proof of what the Scripture says, that the whole old covenant has faded away. If the covenant and the ark are gone, doesn’t it make sense that the sign which is the Sabbath would be too. The whole tabernacle was destroyed in 70 A.D. not just the holy place but everything in it, the book of the law, the ark and the 10 commandments are all gone too, God made a point.

Zechariah 11:10 says “And I took my staff, beauty and cut it in two, that I might break the covenant which I had made with all the peoples. So it was broken on that day.” When did this occur? “thus the poor of the flock, who were watching me, knew that it was the word of the Lord.12 Then I said to them, if it is agreeable to you, give me my wages and if not refrain.” So they weighed out for my wages 30 pieces of silver.” God is clear He changed the covenant.

Both The ten commandments (tablets) and the ordinances are part of the first covenant which was replaced by the greater new covenant. Heb.9:4 which had the golden censer and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which were the golden pot that had the manna, Aaron's rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant; vs.8 explains why the first tabernacle was taken away so we can enter into the holy of holies, he then explains the priestly duties and in vs.11 tells us Christ is the greater tabernacle vs.15 he becomes the mediator of the new covenant Instead of the law, the tabernacle and Old Testament sacrifices. Heb. 9:8-11: “the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience…V.11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.” The whole tabernacle was removed, it was symbolic and unless it was taken out of the way we could not enter in through the veil which was the true tabernacle his flesh. He ripped the veil. Heb.10 so we can enter in to his presence directly without any of the functions of the Old Testament covenant. The glory of the law was temporary it was to be replaced by something greater, Christ replaced it all.

2 Corinthians 3:2-11 also proves The Old covenant were the 10 commandments which were called Moses' law. Vs.1-3 Old Covenant Written with ink on tablets of stone; the New Covenant Written by the Spirit of the living God, written on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart. This is exactly what law Paul is referring to in Rom.7:6-12: “But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.”( compare this with Ex.34:27,1 Kings 8:9,21: 9,Deut.4:13, 9:9, 2 Chron.6:11)

Vs.6-7 Old Covenant of the letter that kills, ministry of death condemning us to die, Written on tablets of stone, it was glorious but passing away, Moses face shined only. Exactly what Rom.7: 10 states, “And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death”. The New is of the Spirit, God himself replacing the old, that gives life, it is a Ministry of righteousness. 2 Cor.3:8: if you have the spirit you don’t need the letter because it becomes a relationship. Only certain people had the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament kings, high priests, and prophets. In the New Covenant its for all who believe. The priesthood of Melchizedek is superior to the Levitical priesthood, as it is for all people.

Now Paul's statement in Rom. 7:6 becomes crystal clear, “But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.”

In Ex.34:29-35 when Moses came down from the Mt. with the tablets of testimony he had a veil over his face but when he went before the Lord he took the veil off. In 2 Cor.3:7-11 Paul describes this; but if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious. V.13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. V.14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. Paul is stating that if one looks toward the old they cannot see Christ fully but if they look toward Christ the old fades away. V.15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. V.16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. V.17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. V.18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Paul goes on in the next chapter continuing to use the concept of the veil for the gospel. 2 Cor. 4:3-4: “But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. “For those who gaze at the law instead of Christ alone they have a veil instead of a seal, only the gospel takes this away. This means they must trust in Christ alone to be in the new covenant. they can’t bring the law over and incorporate it into their relationship. vs.13-14. But in 2 Cor.3:17 where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty, we now look with unveiled faces as in a mirror the glory of the Lord” V.13 The veil passes away when Christ is accepted.

To summarize the Old Covenant a Ministry of death, written and engraved on stones was glorious and yet was passing away, only temporary.

The New Covenant is the Ministry of the Spirit, More glorious, exceeds much more in glory, Remains everlasting. (Heb.13:20) Hebrews 8:7-13 the author is quoting Jer.31:31 that even from his day “Now even the first covenant was the tablet and is vanishing away.” Just as Moses veil was, this comparison is made to show the old glory of the law would eventually fade to be replaced with a greater glory God himself. The substance would be the permanent replacement for the law that was only temporary.

Heb 10:1: “For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.

Heb. 10:9: “then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second.” The fathers will was to put aside the first covenant so that mankind could receive the 2nd and have power to live the life he intended for us empowered by his Spirit.

Rom. 8:1-4: “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.” “ For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God {did:} sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and {as an offering} for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit”. Notice what the law could not do! The law had a purpose and their are some things it cannot do. It cannot justify, it cannot change a heart of a sinner, it can only make one guilty, it can’t pardon or redeem or save. It was the weakness of the flesh that prevented it, so it can only bring conviction, guilt and curse. What it could not accomplish the Son of God did by condemning sin in the flesh and fulfilled it himself, because he alone could live the law perfectly.
If we are not under law, our sin cannot be held against us. Rom.10:4-5 Truly “ Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.” Our new life begins and ends in Christ not in the Old Covenant of law.

Taken from Let us reason ministries.

and acts 15: 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. F68 If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
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The "comandments " given to the first non Jewish believers.
 

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The Sabbath rest of Creation also points to our ETERNAL millennial rest...EVERYONE WILL BE SABBATH KEEPERS IN THE KINGDOM!
Amazing isn't it!? We're rapidly approaching this Seventh millennial day with Jesus Christ as the reigning King. A rest to beat all rests.

For God to change His mind would require that God changes. Does God change?

Hebrew 13:8, "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."
Malachi 3:6, "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."


Hebrews 4:1-11
[1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4] For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[5] And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day?
[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief."


Clear New Testament teaching on the subject on 7th day Sabbath. God "limiteth" the Sabbath to "a certain day." He preached not to the Jews but to "the people of God" (verse 9). Christians are the "people of God." Christians are told to rest on "a certain" day, not just any day.
 
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It seems apparent that you all have your own opinions, but none of you ever listen to one another. Different churches teach different things, no one will ever know the real truth until Jesus returns. I have watched and seen egos boosted and many puffed up posts, and no one gives any one else a chance. If this comes across to me, and I am a christian! How do you think it comes across to a non christian? I would think they would run, it dosent look like a debate anymore it looks like a battle
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I think actually this proves my point.

God who rested first.
WE enter into God's rest through Christ Jesus in faith.
The 4 commandment, as previously shown, came later through Moses.
The Jewish people, although they STILL keep the sabbath are in unbelief and so cant enter God's rest. They are trying to work their passage so to speak. We dont have to we are already there. No more works, it is finished.
 
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