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First a bit of history to demonstrate the gravity of the question.
The events are true- the names are real. There are no innocents
to protect. We are the quiet competent gunslingers in our little world....

Welp, I've been working long hours again and I went to range
with a kinda weirded-out , " not real" feeling of the sleep deprived.
I tossed a buck inta the jar at the range, but all that was left in the cooler
was a few bottles of water-- no caffeine-filled Cokes or Dews!

Abe and Chuck , my range officers - and guys so high up im club the range is named
after them- were both there and I said a weak hello considering we
were all wearing 'muffs and I set up and pulled out me psl 7.62x54r semi auto uber- gun,

I usually load one round at a time in it ('cause I'm cheap) but my groggy
mind made me put in 5 rounds. Now the trigger pull is kinda cheapo itself=
needless gunky slack then a nice crisp let- off, a result of poor tolerance
rather than a design flaw. Not a problemo usually, but today=
*gad* 2 obvious, if harmless, AD's as I just could not coordinate
my slack take up well.

Abe and Chuck are my friends and we often shoot together for funsies
and bragging rights ( we shoot pistols at clay birds at 50, 75 and even 100 yards because we can and it scares the hell outta the other guys
who spend forever and a billion bucks trying to hit a target at 25 yds with
their pistols, fancy stances , gun tunes, and even swat gear clothes) --
and I AD twice wit me rifle.

Too polite to point out I just committed the worst offense at the range there
is short of killing someone TWICE, they both amble down my way and offer to plink a bit
at left -over clays on the 50 yrd berm.

I gladly put the rifle down with some shred of my dignity left and pick up
my Ruger MK1.

Then it hits me. I can either see the sights by wearing my granny glasses
(Ben Franklins sounds better) or take off the glasses and wear my shatter
resistant shooting glasses and see the target clearly, but the sights are
a soft blur..


Tarnation and Dammit. Abe and Chuck are great guys and record holders
at my club at all and every pistol competions there are and respect my ability
to forget stance, grip and pretense and shoot the dammed clays
while shooting one handed from a casual stance or just sitting with a leg dangling on the shooting bench ( a trade mark of mine) . --

Soooo, I'm on the hook to show I'm in control of my guns and under the pressure to best them like I usually do and I cannot make out the sights.

Chuck looks at me with the look usually reserved for puppies who forget their
house training and Abe says "wot the heck didja do ta yer sights? Drop the gun?"


My tired mind struggled for a quick and clever come- back. I think I got
out "erk eap!" and clarified by saying my heart seems to be racing a bit
today, spoiling my aim. "Hmmpf" says Abe. Chuck inquired if I was taking the
drugs I sell. (I'm a pharmacist).

"Dammit" says I. I cannot see the sights- they are soft blur- but I can make
out the taget or I can switch to my Franklins and do just the reverse.


I put on me Frankins and loaded up 8 rounds in my TT 33 in a pissed off
at the world mood as compensation for my embarrassment at being AD'ing
and then being bested at will by these guys.

I paused-- everything on the line--my pride, reputation, 2 range officers
who witnessed 2 ADs waiting for me to redeem myself-- and I asked
myself what I am asking you--

Is it better to see the sights or the target when shooting at over 25 yards
with fixed sights?

(I decided, let fly and redeemed myself enough not to get kicked out
by my friends)

But this is a elemental piece of shooting wisdom for the gently aging
shootist.

What is the best solution to aging eyesight?

Anyone? :)
 

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You can see the sights all day long even in the dark, but without a clear target, it would appear the sights are useless. It also appears that without a clear sight picture seeing the target may not help either....

For me personally, I want to see the target at all times. I know that volume can make up for inaccuracy. :)
 

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Front sight Front sight Front sight Front sight Front sight Front sight Front sight Front sight .

Focus on the front sight . The front sight only .

Subject closed .
 

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Urban Mountain Man
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Hmm, ya ever try hittin anything wit a handgun held in one hand
at 75 yards? Alignment of the gun is important. If the sights
are perfect, pushing the gun down with your hand as you pull the trigger or pulling the gun up with your trigger finger are greatly magnifed errors.

I settled on using the Franklins to see the sights and let the target be soft blur.

Anyone here a distance (show-off) shooter?
 

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You want the sights to be clear, target a soft blur under the sights. Once I figgured my right eye was going I was able to figgure out why my shooting was going. Only my close distance in the one eye is lost.
 

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You SEE both. You FOCUS on the front sight.

It's Optometrics (SP?) If you line up your finger with the target,a nd focuse on the target, your eye/body coordination will (Without you knowing) minutely move your finger out of the way so that you can have a better view of the target.

If you look at your finger you can superimpose it on the target.

You do not need to CLEARLY SEE your front sight. It just needs to be what you focus on.

...Go talk to your eye Doctor.

Front Sight
 

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Urban Mountain Man
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Discussion Starter · #7 ·
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*digging toe in the dirt*

Well, yes, there is the problem of not seeing a doctor. I had
perfect vision all my life until my 40's and I lost my near sight
as all us do with age (has to do with the continual repair of the
cornea over time)

Anyhoo, t'is an interesting way to spend some time at the range-
shooting long distances with a handgun , I mean.

It appeals to the child and even the braggart in me. In any human endeavor,
one is naturally drawn to challenge their skills and having contests of some sort.

I believe in the muscle memory and finger pointing ways of getting
gun alignment. Indeed I do and I think some professionals can prove it.
I am unwilling to shoot without having my target and surroundings
in sight, but I think a professional could shoot accurately blindfolded.

The military toyed with white stripes on the top of the gun to
serve as ready sight. I've never seen it used outside the range,
but I did see movies of guns being so marked with tape from
around the Korean war.

The Russians, I believe, still make their guns with at least one
flat side to serve just that purpose-- the whole gun as a sight.

Welp, anyone perfected long range shooting -- or is such behavior just a quirky
fun thing we do at my local yokel shootem up?
 

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Not sure what yer asking this time but have you attempted to decide dominance recently? Now that my right eye is all but useless I shoot left handed as my left eye is my dominant eye. Just put a finger out in front of your face and bring it towards your face. The eye it comes to is your dominant eye.

Otherwise I believe you are talking about point shooting. This is part natural ability and part learned.
 

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Discussion Starter · #9 · (Edited)
Welp

Welp, t'is easy ta say me point.

Shooting handguns at distances of 50,75 and 100 yards at clay birds
is a hoot. Everything ya do right or wrong is MAGNIFIED GREATLY.

I started doing it because I am partially autistic and have been shooting for
40 years. The autism makes it easy fer me to live in me own little world
quite oblivious to the harsh tongues of me fellow members of the human
race and also be quite single mindedly focused. The disease is Aspergers
and the most famous example is Sherlock Holmes of fiction. A current
representation in the popular culture is Dr House.

Anyhoo--- I had no problem at all at pointin' me handguns at clay targets
on the rifle range side of our shootem up.

Once the range offiicers calmed down enough to see me bullets hittin
very close on on target, they let me shoot me handguns as I pleased
convinced my bullets would hit the berms with no problems of wild
bullets flying unstopped.

Being champs in our little world of competitions, why naturally they
wanted to see if they could best me. I shoot one handed and often
just perched on the end of the shooting tables with one leg danglin and one
on the ground. Jeans and a tee shirt with gym shoes and not the
SWAT gear of the 7 and 1/2 whole yard crew complete with combat boots,
holsters and police badges that haunt that side of the pistol range
with the wildly shot up pictures of bad guys of all sorts they tend to
favor. Gawd, ya should see em wit rifles wit all there rests, pads, gloves,
thermometers and such. Jumpsuits and kneepads no less.

Anyhoo- I had better start hittin sumthin after TWO AD's ( accidental discharges)
wit me uber-rifle that made ole Abe and Chuck amble me way a bit curious
as ta ability to handle me guns.

Well then-- I could not focus the sights without glasses and I could not
focus the target with glasses on. Seein how I had better show some
control over me flyin bullets, I ask ya-- which is better.....

*wanders away talkin ta hisself--

"I wonder how ya can put yerself on ignore?
I mean, if I can ignore the fashion show at the
range, I should easily ignore my ramblins...."
 

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Progressive lenses help me a bunch, the old tri focals were a PITA. Try a Merits, the little arpeture goody you stick to your glasses. may look a little weird but it'll sharpen them sight right up for ya...
Peter
 

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there is a reason shotguns come from the factory with just a front bead sight. the front sight is the most important- it has much more effect on accuracy than does the rear sights. if you have time to integrate them into a proper sight picture, fine, but if you need speed at short range- a flash sight picture and a double tap is the way to go.
 

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Time for trip to optometrist, I have yellow, light amber and dark amber glasses with the focus set at 30". When I was competing in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California I also had smoked sunglasses with the same prescription. When you gets old you adjust or stay home and dust your shooting trophies.
 

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First a bit of history to demonstrate the gravity of the question.
The events are true- the names are real. There are no innocents
to protect. We are the quiet competent gunslingers in our little world....

Welp, I've been working long hours again and I went to range
with a kinda weirded-out , " not real" feeling of the sleep deprived.
I tossed a buck inta the jar at the range, but all that was left in the cooler
was a few bottles of water-- no caffeine-filled Cokes or Dews!

Abe and Chuck , my range officers - and guys so high up im club the range is named
after them- were both there and I said a weak hello considering we
were all wearing 'muffs and I set up and pulled out me psl 7.62x54r semi auto uber- gun,

I usually load one round at a time in it ('cause I'm cheap) but my groggy
mind made me put in 5 rounds. Now the trigger pull is kinda cheapo itself=
needless gunky slack then a nice crisp let- off, a result of poor tolerance
rather than a design flaw. Not a problemo usually, but today=
*gad* 2 obvious, if harmless, AD's as I just could not coordinate
my slack take up well.

Abe and Chuck are my friends and we often shoot together for funsies
and bragging rights ( we shoot pistols at clay birds at 50, 75 and even 100 yards because we can and it scares the hell outta the other guys
who spend forever and a billion bucks trying to hit a target at 25 yds with
their pistols, fancy stances , gun tunes, and even swat gear clothes) --
and I AD twice wit me rifle.

Too polite to point out I just committed the worst offense at the range there
is short of killing someone TWICE, they both amble down my way and offer to plink a bit
at left -over clays on the 50 yrd berm.

I gladly put the rifle down with some shred of my dignity left and pick up
my Ruger MK1.

Then it hits me. I can either see the sights by wearing my granny glasses
(Ben Franklins sounds better) or take off the glasses and wear my shatter
resistant shooting glasses and see the target clearly, but the sights are
a soft blur..


Tarnation and Dammit. Abe and Chuck are great guys and record holders
at my club at all and every pistol competions there are and respect my ability
to forget stance, grip and pretense and shoot the dammed clays
while shooting one handed from a casual stance or just sitting with a leg dangling on the shooting bench ( a trade mark of mine) . --

Soooo, I'm on the hook to show I'm in control of my guns and under the pressure to best them like I usually do and I cannot make out the sights.

Chuck looks at me with the look usually reserved for puppies who forget their
house training and Abe says "wot the heck didja do ta yer sights? Drop the gun?"


My tired mind struggled for a quick and clever come- back. I think I got
out "erk eap!" and clarified by saying my heart seems to be racing a bit
today, spoiling my aim. "Hmmpf" says Abe. Chuck inquired if I was taking the
drugs I sell. (I'm a pharmacist).

"Dammit" says I. I cannot see the sights- they are soft blur- but I can make
out the taget or I can switch to my Franklins and do just the reverse.


I put on me Frankins and loaded up 8 rounds in my TT 33 in a ****ed off
at the world mood as compensation for my embarrassment at being AD'ing
and then being bested at will by these guys.

I paused-- everything on the line--my pride, reputation, 2 range officers
who witnessed 2 ADs waiting for me to redeem myself-- and I asked
myself what I am asking you--

Is it better to see the sights or the target when shooting at over 25 yards
with fixed sights?

(I decided, let fly and redeemed myself enough not to get kicked out
by my friends)

But this is a elemental piece of shooting wisdom for the gently aging
shootist.

What is the best solution to aging eyesight?

Anyone? :)
You need to see the front sight. Target and rear sights should just be plain enough to recognize and in the case of the rear sights get both alignment and sight picture.

I have the same problem as you and wear my near glasses behind a pair of over the glasses shooting glasses. I also have some Military goggles that are over the glasses as well. For special problems and SHTF.
 

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What is the best solution to aging eyesight?

Anyone? :)
Why pick? See both the front sight post and the target clearly with an SR Microsight

http://www.creedmoorsports.com/shop/The_Original_SR_MicroSight.html

I have one. My sight post and the target are both reasonably clear. It's is a zone plate (a lens with two focal lengths) in the hooded rear apperature of a AR-15 sight.

It was tough getting off of the $120, but it actually allows me to shoot better so its worth the money.
 

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As much as I hate to say it, Red-Dot.

Gabe Suarez and his bunch have been promoting and puffing up putting good Red-Dots on combat pistols and you know what? They're right.

The little Trijicon RMR is becoming the sight to beat on handguns.

I used to have a Trijicon Reflex on a hunting pistol and it converted me quickly out in the bush.

The RMR ain't cheap regardless but that is money well spent.

On race (IPSC) guns, the C-More and Aimpoint's are well regarded but don't sit as low as the Trijicon RMR.
 
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