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I posted about Sarah Palin's very generous "per diems" that she collected, while she was in fact at home. $16,000, more or less, just in one year. Well, at the time, I said that IF she had not declared those per diems as income, she was probably committing a crime called tax evasion.

Well, she finally released the returns, and lo and behold, she never declared those very generous, getting-paid-for-travel-even-though-I'm-at-home per diems as income.

She is, I believe, a tax cheat.

I've been working on and off for fed & state government for 20 years--long enough to know what I can legally get away with. If the IRS ever found out that I was getting paid for travel-related expenses while I wasn't travelling, and then didn't call those payments "income", I can guarantee you that I would have been subjected to some kind of disciplinary action by my employer, and certainly had to pay some kind of fine, and maybe even be prosecuted for tax fraud.

If will be VERY interesting to see how this plays out.

Sarah Palin: she's just like regular folks! Except for the pending federal tax evasion charges, that is.

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September 10, 2008
Sarah Palin's Tax Problem
From today's Washington Post: Palin Billed State for Nights Spent at Home; Taxpayers Also Funded Family's Travel, by James V. Grimaldi & Karl Vick:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a "per diem" allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business.

The governor also has charged the state for travel expenses to take her children on official out-of-town missions. And her husband, Todd, has billed the state for expenses and a daily allowance for trips he makes on official business for his wife.

Palin, who earns $125,000 a year, claimed and received $16,951 as her allowance, which officials say was permitted because her official "duty station" is Juneau, according to an analysis of her travel documents by The Washington Post.

The governor's daughters and husband charged the state $43,490 to travel, and many of the trips were between their house in Wasilla and Juneau, the capital city 600 miles away, the documents show.

Jack Bogdanski (Lewis & Clark) outlines the tax problems Governor Palin faces as a result of these per diem payments in Governor Palin, Your Tax Return, Please:

"Per diem" allowances received by an employee can legally be omitted from her gross income if they constitute reimbursements for amounts that the employee could have deducted as business expenses had the employee paid for them out-of-pocket and not been reimbursed. Thus, for Palin, the tax question would appear to boil down to whether, had she not been reimbursed for the $60,441 of travel, meals, and lodging expenses, she could have legitimately taken business deductions for them.

It does not appear that such deductions would have been allowable for any amounts attributable to travel by her husband and children. Section 274(m)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code strictly forbids deductions for bringing spouses and dependents along on business travel unless the spouses and dependents (a) are employees of the taxpayer (here, the taxpayer is the governor), (b) are travelling for a bona fide business purpose, and (c) would otherwise be entitled to deduct the travel on their own tax returns. Unless Palin's spouse and kids are also her employees and she can show that they were away on their own businesses, their expenses would not be deductible by the governor. And therefore she cannot exclude from income any per diems attributable to any of them. (By the way, since she's the employee, the income would be required to be reported on her own return, not her kids'.)

As for her own travel, Palin could also run into tax problems. Only travel "away from home" qualifies for tax exclusion (or deduction), and for this purpose, one's "home" is generally the principal place of one's business. In this case, the governor reportedly works out of offices in both Anchorage and Juneau, but since she has only one state job, she can declare only one of those as her tax "home." If Juneau is her tax "home" (which would seem to be the case, since that's the capital), she cannot exclude or deduct meals and lodging expenses incurred in Juneau, and if Anchorage is her tax "home," she cannot exclude or deduct such expenses incurred in Anchorage or Wasilla. If she got per diem reimbursements for stays in both places, stays in only one place would appear to be excludible or deductible. And perhaps more importantly, the cost of regular commuting between one's residence and one's tax "home" is not deductible at all, no matter how long the distance between them; it is certainly possible that Palin's treks between the two locales are simply long-distance commuting for tax purposes.
 

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This belongs in the political area, Sticks will beat you about the head and shoulders! :upsidedown:
All due respect to yourself and Mr. Sticks, but this is a major development that will (I predict, anyway) have a huge impact on the US political landscape. Palin might even be forced out as a result. LOTS of people need to hear about this issue, IMO.

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I'm not saying you can't say it, but it is political.none of the rest of us can post political stuff here,why are you special?

(I predict, anyway) have a huge impact on the US political landscape. Palin might even be forced out as a result. LOTS of people need to hear about this issue, IMO.
 

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Hippie, big deal.

I wont lose any sleep over this one, better luck next time.

Im not a tax cheat but not perfect either, when I get my taxes done I make sure my tax preparer used every trick in the book and then some.

She is hardly a multi millionaire evading taxes with off shore bank accounts and sneaky loopholes in the tax code.

Barack Obama is the one with the shady business deals and questionable ethics.
 

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Barack Obama is the one with the shady business deals and questionable ethics.
That's really funny, Anne, given that Obama co-sponsored legislation in the senate that really tightened uo ethics, such as which gifts are acceotable and which aren't (hint: most aren't!)

The ONLY thing that's been reported in the press about Obama is that he bought a property at below market value fwith the assistance (and was probably unaware of the assistance!) of a scumball. However, there's no evidence that Obama knew it was a "special" deal, and in fact in the scumball's trial there's no evidence that Obama was in any way involved in giving any kind of favors to the scumball. If you don't believe me, google Obama Reszko trail and see what the record says.

Palin, meanwhile, in under investigation by 2 government groups in Alaska for abusing her power (a crime) for firing an employee who refused to fire Palin's ex brother in law. She's also being investigated for improperly releasing medical records of a political enemy. Now, in addition to clearly "streching the rules" about per diems, she appears to have actually broken federal laws by not declaring some of her income.

Can you come up with a single instance in which there is ACTUAL evidence that Obama broke the law? No, I thought not.
 

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That's really funny, Anne, given that Obama co-sponsored legislation in the senate that really tightened uo ethics, such as which gifts are acceotable and which aren't (hint: most aren't!)
Nearly everybody is Obama's life is a scum bag or a crook.
...birds of a feather...

Can you come up with a single instance in which there is ACTUAL evidence that Obama broke the law? No, I thought not.
They couldn't pin anything on Al Capone, either.

Guess the only crime he ever committed was cheating on his taxes by that logic.
 

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All due respect to yourself and Mr. Sticks, but this is a major development that will (I predict, anyway) have a huge impact on the US political landscape. Palin might even be forced out as a result. LOTS of people need to hear about this issue, IMO.

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The garbage you pot smoking commies try to dig up is laughable at best. What's really funny is that you actually think that there is a difference when a sober person can see they are the same thing. You overlook all the criminal activity of Obama and his blatant disregard for the constitution and look for the most retarded thing you can find for the other party. Quit beating a dead horse.
 

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Guess the only crime he ever committed was cheating on his taxes by that logic.
So it sounds like you're OK with a vice president who winds up in a federal prison, convicted of the same crime as a mobster? Good for you, you open minded fellow!
 

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Why is this thread in the preparedness section?
Hippie, that is your qoute, when someone tried posting a political thread in the prepardness section. Being a bit hyprocritical now aren't we? So now its okay for you to post things in the wrong section?

This is just more made up garbage by the socialist libs (like yourself). If she commited tax evation, the IRS would be all over it. Obama and his socialist followers make up crap like this to try and cover up the facts that Obama himself has taken illegal campaign contibutions from Rezko and attended a racist church for 20 years. Obama talks about change, yet he has been apart of the same Chicago political thugs that have been involved in shady dealings for years and years. Sarah Palin comes in and stole his thunder, becasue she doesn't just talk, she gets it done.

I don't like Mcain or Obama, I plan on voting third party. I wish Palin was running with Ron Paul, now thats a ticket of real change, not the BS Mcain and Obama spue. Anyone with any common sense can see Obama for what he his, a corrupt, socialist, racist, Chicago thug.
 

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Hippie, that is your qoute, when someone tried posting a political thread in the prepardness section. Being a bit hyprocritical now aren't we? So now its okay for you to post things in the wrong section?
Hes a lib , what's not good for you is SOP for them .

That's really funny, Anne, given that Obama co-sponsored legislation in the senate that really tightened uo ethics, such as which gifts are acceotable and which aren't
But its ok to hang out with KNOWN killers , slip money to ACORN who is KNOWN for voter fraud . etc. etc. etc .

Nice try stinky .
 

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So it sounds like you're OK with a vice president who winds up in a federal prison, convicted of the same crime as a mobster? Good for you, you open minded fellow!
the thing about you, is you have diarrhea of the brain and it would be real nice if you were less "open minded" and quit spewing your sh/t about.
I bet nobody you know wants to listen to you. (get sprayed)

nothing you post has a real source to it. And as for 'spin"? "federal prison, convicted of the same crime as a mobster". Honestly, such crap.

If you had anything real to say you wouldnt need all the labored sarcasm distortions and fabrications.
 

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So it sounds like you're OK with a vice president who winds up in a federal prison, convicted of the same crime as a mobster? Good for you, you open minded fellow!
First of all I am NOT open mined. Only fools are open minded.

By your logic:

HippieSurvivalist said:
Can you come up with a single instance in which there is ACTUAL evidence that Obama broke the law? No, I thought not.
Most of Obama's biddies are Capone types.

Why the double standard for Obama?
 

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the thing about you, is you have diarrhea of the brain and it would be real nice if you were less "open minded" and quit spewing your sh/t about.
I bet nobody you know wants to listen to you. (get sprayed)

nothing you post has a real source to it. And as for 'spin"? "federal prison, convicted of the same crime as a mobster". Honestly, such crap.

If you had anything real to say you wouldnt need all the labored sarcasm distortions and fabrications.
So put me on your ignore list, if you don't like what I have to say. I don't give a shyte.
 

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Most of Obama's biddies are Capone types.
Here's the difference between outright prejudice and a reasonable point of view: Do you have any specific reason or evidence to think that Obama is corrupt? If you don't, then you're just making crap up. If you do, then please post it, I'd love to see. I'll wait patiently...
 

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Lawyer? Enough for me to hate the man. Chicago style marxist lawyer, who would like very much to take my money and my guns? SCUMBAG. Just my opinion, and I approve this message.:D:
 

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All due respect to yourself and Mr. Sticks, but this is a major development that will (I predict, anyway) have a huge impact on the US political landscape. Palin might even be forced out as a result. LOTS of people need to hear about this issue, IMO.

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WAAHHHHHH!!!!! CRY ME A RIVER!!!!

A slave pays his taxes as the govt directs him to, a patriot understands that each person who gives the IRS as little as possible reduces the governments power by limiting its available funds and the patriot also further empowers himself economically. F*** the IRS.

I wish the media would dig into Osama Obama's financial dealings, they won't for fear of being called "racists" but I'll bet with the associations Osama Obama keeps there is A LOT more going on than we're being told.....Why is it I've never heard "Dirty Hippie" there talk negatively about Osama Obama's associations with Ayres, Wright or Antoin "Tony" Rezko, or the fact that Osama Obama raised money for organizations that support Hamas....I'll bet when Rezko works out his deal, we're gonna learn a whole lot of stuff that hippie boy won't want to hear....
 

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Here's the difference between outright prejudice and a reasonable point of view: Do you have any specific reason or evidence to think that Obama is corrupt? If you don't, then you're just making crap up. If you do, then please post it, I'd love to see. I'll wait patiently...
Osama Obama corrupt?
He's a United States Senator.
He's guilty as charged.
 
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