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Russian patriotic groups teaching children how to defend their country

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#1 ·
Article in The Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/09/russia-patriotic-education-rise-ukraine-military


From the article:

In a small town outside St Petersburg, a group of children are being prepared for service in the Russian army. Arriving at 7pm, the class – all aged between five and 17 – will spend the evening learning how to fight and handle weapons.

This is St Spyridon the Triumphant Orthodox, a patriotic club aiming to “bring children to the church” through sport and military-style training, says their coach, Michael Lysovskiy.

Thousands of clubs like this exist across Russia, forming an integral part of a nation-wide initiative for the “military-patriotic education of the population”, regulated by the government through a significant programme of financial support.
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#13 ·
Actually, a part of the Boy Scouts problem is that they go way out of their way to avoid any semblance to the military in any way. I don't advocate this kind of thing, but I do feel that attitude has eroded teaching and maintenance of many classic scouting skills like camping, hiking, pioneering, orienteering, etc.
 
#20 ·
Guys, you are missing couple things there:
1. Russia has a draft. Unless there are some special exceptions, most of this boys will go to the army for, I believe, 2 years once they reach 18.
2. Christianity in Russia has a long history of blessing and contributing to the defend of the Motherland. Starting with monk Peresvet ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Peresvet ), who fought in 1390 at the opening of the Battle of Kulikovo, and going to the legend of 1941, when Stalin ordered a Theotokos of Tikhvin ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theotokos_of_Tikhvin ) to be taken on a plane around the Moscow and todays weapon blessings and priests in the Russian army.

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#22 ·
I think education of children in military skills is fine if it is to be a militarily based society... However, I do not think that what we would do here is quite the same as there. The Russian way of governing does include the church and ours tries its best not to, so the whole motivation to do it is far less. We as a society have moved away from real national pride, away from larger ideals that encompass more than ourselves as a reason to achieve anything, and away from the idea that there will ever be a reason for the majority to have to fight for our lives... (*Not the people here at SB, per se, but the majority of that horrible term "Sheeple"*)

I fear that there is a bit more of a propaganda element to anything like this in Bear Country, than there is a true training element. I could just be misreading the normal, but I can't help but feel that indoctrination will go hand in hand. That is what should have more light shone upon it... as the Russian populace has tried their very best to break free of the old ways lately, if the reports of crackdowns, dissenter assassinations, and the like, are to be believed. So the point of this may be "Here ya go little boy... isn't this rifle cool? Well, you can learn to use it, but only to the glorification of the party and the legacy of the Great Pootin" etc etc.... There are very few adolescent boys that wouldn't jump at the chance to play army for real, and if their participation is based upon their "Right Thinking" then they will quickly learn the answers needed... and repetition will concrete the ideas as the only way.

IMHO that is what disturbs me the most. As has been proven time and time again, the way to a nation's future, is the children.
 
#24 ·
Actually, way before Putin, Soviet Union had a mandatory "Civil Defense" program during last 2 years in high school. It included learning first aid, assembling/disassembling/shooting AK-47 and 22 cal. rifle, grenade throwing, recognizing the planes by the silhouette, properly wearing a gas mask, etc. I went through this in the late 80th, it wasn't bad, though boring at times.
 
#32 ·
Last time I spoke with a chaplain the chaplains corp would be OK with that he said there was only one Orthodox rabbi in the entire army and they were chaplains' assistants to fill in for chaplains on the Protestant side of things. as far as god goes in the army he's spread pretty thin

And who wouldn't want a blessed weapon.
 
#47 ·
Well now how about that - here I am back in the same thread in less than 24 hours. I actually have a J-O-B where I do real work, not just play around online while the boss isn't looking. So if my timing isn't acceptable to you - **** off.
What I post - what EVERYONE here posts are just opinions. I would also like to point out that if you removed every post that quoted me from this thread - there would be no thread. Hate me all you want. I have my foot in the door of your echo chamber and you need the opposition to feel righteous.
Some of you who have known me long enough would do well to remember that most of my family and friends are Christians. However, I am not going to pull punches just to be PC around you and your religion.
You could be Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Pagan or a freakin pastafarian for all I care, but here most are RWE Christians so whenever I disagree, not only am I a troll, by default I am also Christian basher.
Here is what's great about SB and the USA in general. They both have room for everyone's POV.
 
#48 ·
Well now how about that... I'm my own boss. Better not tell me that I'm on the computer ;)

Funnily enough, I've never had a desk job.

There's room for different points of view to the point that the people holding those points of view don't try to kill those who dissent. Ergo, no room for Mujis. Sorry.