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Russia starts building nuclear-resistant bomb shelters as threats of WWIII ramp up

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#1 ·
Saw this story a couple of days ago and was a little surprised no one had posted about it yet.

Russia started mass-producing mobile bomb shelters capable of withstanding nuclear weapons while ominously accusing President Biden of risking a potential World War III.

The “KUB-M” shelters are designed to offer protection for up to 48 hours against radiation from a nuclear blast or natural disaster, Russia’s emergency ministry research institute said.

They house up to 54 people and can also protect against explosions and shrapnel from conventional weapons as well as falling debris from buildings and dangerous chemicals and fires, according to the institute.

As soon as I clicked into the article, I started laughing. They're basically Connex boxes which on their own, are no safer than a conventional building. In order to achieve the desired protection against fallout, they would have to stack 200 tons of 2-ft thick concrete blocks around and on top of the containers. I can just about guarantee the Russian suppliers will just plop these down, pocket the money for the concrete and "forget" to add the requisite shielding. Because who's going to know any different?
 
#7 ·
No, that's not really possible. Shielding happens via mass. If you have a wall made out of 200t of water, 200t of concrete, or 200t of lead... they all stop roughly the same amount of gamma radiation, assuming the same energy levels. The lead wall may be thinner, but it's going to weigh about the same as the concrete wall. The reason things like lead vests work at the dentist office is because the energy of dental X-rays is so low, it only takes a thin sheet of lead to stop most of the radiation. The gamma radiation emitted by fallout is 10 to 100x+ stronger so the mass required to attenuate it goes up as well.

If you dig around, you'll see they're supposed to be covered with concrete blocks by design.
 
#5 ·
My first thought when seeing them was the personal survival shelters in the Fallout video games.

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They where used to reassure fears of the public but they didn't work very well just like what the Russians are providing won't work either. But hey they should be just as cramped with 40 in a box as 1 person in the above image. Amazing how real life copies media.
 
#6 ·
My first thought when seeing them was the personal survival shelters in the Fallout video games.

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They where used to reassure fears of the public but they didn't work very well just like what the Russians are providing won't work either. But hey they should be just as cramped with 40 in a box as 1 person in the above image. Amazing how real life copies media.
Looks like a public sidewalk bathroom in San Francisco... ;)
 
#8 ·
I did see where Russia shot an ICBM (IRBM in reality) at their former friends in the Ukraine.

6 MIRV warheads - non-nukes. Lots of excitement in the EU. Putin held a press conference to confirm. See the hysterical 'news' reports for more.

I can see this as an expedient / crisis shelter situation. You would still need air filter, water, food, sanitation etc - bit I do see this as very do-able. The concrete 'factories' and knowledge are still place AFAIK.

This is not a new idea - the Japanese released something very much like this a couple of years ago, as I noted here on the board.
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The fallout 'modules' are seen at the end of the video.
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Much of the old CCCP used concrete blocks - for everything from runways at airports (makes sense) to "Lego" type 6 story buildings.

Brezhnevka - Soviet Panel Building That Defined Russia's Modern Identity - this video shows how these Russian apt buildings were assembled. (Pre-fab baby!)

Disclaimer - I spent the summer of '96 working in and around Usinsk, in the Komi Republic, CIS. The entire city was built in this way. Based on my experience, I am able to differentiate between the Russian political blob and 'the average' person. YMMV.
 
#10 ·
Now? Now? That’s the oppositeof planning ahead. this tells me that the Ruskies don’t think there will be nuclear war soon. . Or they just like the words nuclear and Russia in the news. Just like my comment about the media being dense.
 
#12 ·
First thing that came to my mind is.... Doesn't Russia have fallout shelters from the Cold War era??? I mean they were building them as if they were preparing to be the last surviving civilazation on this planet back in those days. And if built right, they could easily last 100's of years.
 
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#14 ·
Russia builds nuclear-bomb shelters that offers protection for 48 hours | World News - Hindustan Times

These (in the article) do not claim to be 'fallout' shelters, just common bomb shelters.

RT on X: "Russia begins production of mobile nuclear shelters The shelter is designed to protect citizens from various threats, including light radiation from nuclear explosions and radioactive contamination https://t.co/yO3RQmmixd" / X
This shows the Connex with added concrete blocks for additional 'protection'. For me, hard pass.

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For me, a trench and backfill shelter would offer more protection - like this:
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The Russian gov't is supposedly upgrading old shelters.
Russia Upgrading Bomb Shelters Across the Country: Report - Business Insider
if someone isn't just pocketing the money.... YMMV
 
#20 ·
You can get arrested for asking where the local bomb shelter is in Russia.


You hear stories about fallout shelters being leased out as storage space and even nighclubts, one Russian mentioned to me he would have have to fight the local stolen car parts gang to get access to the one in his aprtmant blocks basement.

 
#24 ·
Isn't the case that all the old fallout shelters everywhere are still good for the fallout? The physics of fallout haven't changed. Maybe the shelters need to stocked again with vital supplies, but underground is still underground. I have an extensive list of fallout shelters in my area from 1970. There was a big special supplement to the newspaper listing all the fallout shelters in the Kansas City metro area. Fascinating reading. Many of those buildings are still in existence. Someone here told me (I think it was CONELRAD) that the standard was a protection factor of 40 to be designated a fallout shelter.
 
#25 ·
I get that it's better than just sitting there getting vaporized, and could protect from some shrapnel, debris if you're far enough away from the blast.

I also think it had as much to do with keeping the populace calmed down, having them think they could do something to effect their survival, or at least give them something to believe in to prevent mass pandemonium, as it did actually surviving some nuclear blast. All cities of appreciable size were targets, and no school desk was going to keep the people in them from getting vaporized.
Once again, no one is getting "vaporized". People need to stop perpetuating that myth. If you're at ground zero you may get severe burns, your lungs burst, or a building dropped on top of you, but you're not getting vaporized. That is, and always has been, Hollywood nonsense.

And yes, I'm sure panic reduction/avoidance was a component, but it's not just make people "think" they can do something to prevent/reduce injuries, taking those actions do prevent/reduce injuries.

If I had a dollar for everytime someone on this posted about how they live next to a primary, top-10, or first-strike target... well, I'm not saying I'd be rich, but I'd have a damn good time at a strip joint. In reality you may think you know where those nukes are going to land... but you don't. Just like no one knows what tonight's lotto numbers are going to be. Even if you know every number that is available, you don't know which ones will be picked, and in what order. Even the Russian and Chinese targeting geeks don't know. They may know what's in the database, but they certainly have more than one warplan so even they won't know which plan or targets will be selected.

Nothing like wondering if each day is going to be some apocalyptic end of the world where our friends in the cities get instantly erased while we live to die some slow painful radiation poisoning death. Or maybe we make it and just start growing a third arm out the side of our neck and have babies born inside out.

Was a strange time.
Yep, and then all of the sudden, it ended... for a little over a decade. Look man, I get it. I grew up during the tail end of the Cold War, not being able to sleep some nights as a kid because I was worried about nuclear war. But you know what? I eventually grew out of it and came to see that defeatist and fatalistic attitude for what it was. Nuclear weapons are the only natural or manmade disaster where the prevailing attitude in America seems to be "we can't ensure a 100% survival rate so it's pointless to take, or even suggest, protective actions to save anyone." It's like telling people "hey, there's no point in ducking if someone shoots at you because if they hit you point blank with that shotgun... you're dead." Okay, well that's asinine... what if they're not? If it sounds like I'm fired up, it's not your fault... it's just because I know exactly how and why this mentality came about and it pisses me off to no end.

Isn't the case that all the old fallout shelters everywhere are still good for the fallout? The physics of fallout haven't changed. Maybe the shelters need to stocked again with vital supplies, but underground is still underground. I have an extensive list of fallout shelters in my area from 1970. There was a big special supplement to the newspaper listing all the fallout shelters in the Kansas City metro area. Fascinating reading. Many of those buildings are still in existence. Someone here told me (I think it was CONELRAD) that the standard was a protection factor of 40 to be designated a fallout shelter.
Yes, they're still good from a shielding aspect. All that's missing are the government-provided supplies... so bring your own. Also keep in mind that the sign doesn't mean the shelter area is perfect protection. As you mentioned, it simply means the shelter area provides at least PF40 protection (reduces exposure by 40x). There can be unmarked buildings with even better protection.

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#29 ·
... If you're at ground zero you may get severe burns.... but you're not getting vaporized. That is, and always has been, Hollywood nonsense.
:unsure: Hmmm, so... Yer asserting that someone, roughly (ie: Here:

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...Within / Anywhere Proximal to that 'Fireball Radius' (or, even directly Under it..)... is NOT going to be 'Instantaneously Reduced to Ash' (if not Smaller particles) - Ergo: 'Vaporized'? :unsure: If so, I'm.. 'rather dubious' of that assertion, Sir. :geek:

I mean...

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..etc, etc, so..

Yah, I'm not quite following ya on that 'data point'.. Please Clarify. :geek:

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#28 ·
In order to achieve the desired protection against fallout, they would have to stack 200 tons of 2-ft thick concrete blocks around and on top of the containers.
Based on their losses, and now threats to their soldiers in the field, this screams desperation at all angles. There are also several reports out in Ukraine that were intercepted that Russia knows it can not defend a lot of strategic cities within the zone Ukraine can launch. So they are telling citizens that they have "systems in place" to defend the cities, when it's ammo storage, and misc assets.
 
#30 · (Edited)
@SoJ_51 ... nukes employed in warfare are detonated thousands of feet in the air. The exception being hardened targets. So, unless you're standing on a silo door, at the entrance to Raven Rock, NORAD, etc... you are well outside the fireball region. At Hiroshima and Nagasaki no one could have been any closer than about 1/8 to 1/4 mile from the edge of the fireball.