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In an SHTF situation, many people say they would "head for the hills". So my question is. What does this mean for us who live in rural areas? What can we do to prevent a world of morons, who seek refuge in our areas from taking what is ours. It's not exactly easy to hide a house, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let the sheeple take my stuff. Any suggestions besides going open season on large crowds of people? I'd prefer to avoid that.

I should also add, I am talking about a situation, where the government is not coming to help, its a regional/national thing and nobody is coming.

Lemme also make clear, I'm not asking whether people think its going to happen or not, I'm just asking opinions of what people think would happen IF a large number of the population fled the cities and suburbs for the more rural areas.
 

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If there is a callamity, most of the citizens will not make it out of the city. Those that do, more then half of them will die on the over crowded roads. A few will make it to their pre-planned bols.

Those that are left will come into the rural areas starving, sick, dehydrated and not worth much as a farm/homestead worker.

Many of them will be obsorbed into rural communities. But when the communities realize that they will not be able to support these wandering people in need to help, they will give them water and make sure that they continue on their way.

There will be groups of people who want to survive and will survive doing what ever they have to. These are the ones that communities have to work together to EXTERMINATE! Don't run them off to another community that may not be able to battle this group and win. They must be stopped to make sure that they will not gather a bigger group and come back into your community and take over.

God bless and keep on prepping.
 

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I don't know where you are getting that "everyone" is saying that. The general concensus here is to bug in if at all possible. Bugging out is plan B for most, and that's only if you have a place to go. I have a bug out location at a farm if I have to leave. So I most definately have no intentions of heading to the hills. Those who do, unless they have vast experience in such things, are not long for this world.
 

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My hope is that everyone will stay put and aid comes to cities.

There are going to be people who have to travel to check on family, or to get home if you read that great story.

There are quite a few people here that espouse bugging out, though.

My suggestion is to put up a good climb resistant fence with gate, .30-06. Post it.
 

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a nationwide "bugout" situation is highly unlikely. most natural disasters are localized in some way. same for terrorist attack. pandemic? most people would be afraid to go outside.

a government and economic collapse or some sort of "red dawn" situation would be my only guess for a full on exodus of urban areas.

in those cases, people that recognize early signs and go before the masses will be better off. but only if there is a decent place to go. i am sure, everybody that ever went to a state park in their life is going to think they can disappear into the woods until it is over. a fairy tale for sure.

there are not enough hills to run to for everyone. my family has farms in rural country. that is our rally point if it is viable. band together with the largest like minded group possible.

we could be our own town and government by the time everyone shows up lol.

good luck!
 

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In an SHTF situation, everyone says they would "head for the hills".
Um, no. You'd be very surprised to find out how many who post here are planning on bugging in.

So my question is. What does this mean for us who live in rural areas? What can we do to prevent a world of morons, who seek refuge in our areas from taking what is ours. It's not exactly easy to hide a house, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let the sheeple take my stuff. Any suggestions besides going open season on large crowds of people? I'd prefer to avoid that.
The book "Lucifer's Hammer" has a scenario in which the residents of a valley, in order to prevent an influx of refugees, drop a bridge and put up a roadblock on the main road; no one gets in unless they have a needed skill, something extraordinary to trade, or are a very close relative.

That worked, in the book, because there were natural features--ridgelines--that presented a natural barrier.

If you're in an area without natural barriers--rivers, ridgelines, that sort of thing--you're going to have difficulty keeping people away from you.

I believe the natural reaction of most in the city will be to move to rural areas, because "that's where the food is." Others may head toward water once they realize how important that is.

So, depending on how close you are to areas where refugees will emerge, you may have a problem.
 

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Unless you have a place to "head" to, AND have it prepped, I don't know why so many people think that they are going to be better off abandoning the best shelter and provisions they already have. It makes me shake my head when I see all the threads about bug out bags and the excitement about showing off how perfectly packed and prepped one's bag is.

Bugging out isn't a boy scout jamboree. There is going to be a lot of people dying because they spent a lot of money on their BOB but didn't bother to learn enough other skills to deal with the harsh reality of living outside and on the move. Staying put could put you in harm's way too. But if you are prepped at home with food, water, heat, ammo, etc, your chance of survival IMO is far greater defending that home, than wandering about aimlessly in the country.

While I do have some rural options, if there was a mass exodus and I didn't beat the rush out of the city, I would hunker down. Ideally, I'd like to partner up with some select friends and neighbors. If stuck in the city, I feel a group like that is my best chance at protecting my family.
 

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In an SHTF situation, everyone says they would "head for the hills". So my question is. What does this mean for us who live in rural areas? What can we do to prevent a world of morons, who seek refuge in our areas from taking what is ours. It's not exactly easy to hide a house, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let the sheeple take my stuff. Any suggestions besides going open season on large crowds of people? I'd prefer to avoid that.
You have to preselect an area that is either difficult to get to, is off a main line of drift, is so far removed from major population centers that large numbers of people will not be able to get there, or has some physical terrain features that allow you and a group to physically prevent access.

There's another option: pick an area that is so hostile that people will willingly avoid it. Let me give you an example. I live in the Southern Nevada area, which is mostly hostile desert. Lots of open land, with just enough hills and mountains that it's possible to not be seen once you get a few miles out of civilization. One could possibly go to the deep desert and live with provisions; it is extremely unlikely anyone who is not prepared will hike out into the deep desert.

You don't have to deal with people if they don't want to come your way.
 

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Um, no. You'd be very surprised to find out how many who post here are planning on bugging in.



The book "Lucifer's Hammer" has a scenario in which the residents of a valley, in order to prevent an influx of refugees, drop a bridge and put up a roadblock on the main road; no one gets in unless they have a needed skill, something extraordinary to trade, or are a very close relative.

That worked, in the book, because there were natural features--ridgelines--that presented a natural barrier.

If you're in an area without natural barriers--rivers, ridgelines, that sort of thing--you're going to have difficulty keeping people away from you.

I believe the natural reaction of most in the city will be to move to rural areas, because "that's where the food is." Others may head toward water once they realize how important that is.

So, depending on how close you are to areas where refugees will emerge, you may have a problem.
Most people in big cities think food comes from the store. They have no idea where the store gets it.
 

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We talked and joked about this a few times , ( usually after having a few to many beers ) ... We could drop a few tress on the dirt roads in and seal ourselves off but thats just the booze talking .. LOL

We joke also that some of the family might get shot coming in from other places if it's dusk or there is poor visibility ... We have visable symbols that can be seen from a distance ( Not joking ) and in a very bad situation , some of my family are just off their rocker enough to shoot without confirming thier targets... I am family but mistakes happen !! LMAO

Running to the hills might seem like a great idea but be very careful what hills you run to ... Country people are welcoming for the most part and we have big hearts but despite what hollywood would have you believe , They ain't dumb . They might not be as welcoming as you were led to believe ...


Odds are , if you even find the family homested , you had help, so you know somebody somewhere who gave you the way in, and there is every reason to think that you are harmless but once you enter you are outnumbered and outgunned.

Never assume that small towns can't defend themselves ..


Best advice ... If you need to approach a small comminty like this after SHTF , walk in hands up and without an attitude .. They won't hurt you but if provoked you don't want to deal with the aftermath ... Their biggest problem is friendly fire ... You don't even enter the equasion ... LOL
 

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Um, no. You'd be very surprised to find out how many who post here are planning on bugging in.



The book "Lucifer's Hammer" has a scenario in which the residents of a valley, in order to prevent an influx of refugees, drop a bridge and put up a roadblock on the main road; no one gets in unless they have a needed skill, something extraordinary to trade, or are a very close relative.

That worked, in the book, because there were natural features--ridgelines--that presented a natural barrier.

If you're in an area without natural barriers--rivers, ridgelines, that sort of thing--you're going to have difficulty keeping people away from you.

I believe the natural reaction of most in the city will be to move to rural areas, because "that's where the food is." Others may head toward water once they realize how important that is.

So, depending on how close you are to areas where refugees will emerge, you may have a problem.
I have been thinking about this myself and I have an idea of not taking out a bridge but taking out 100 ft + of a road that follows the side of a steep valley. If that road were cut no vehicles could travel any further and unless someone had rock climbing gear there would be no chance of getting around the missing road. I think this would cut off most of my areas potential city refugees. We want to keep out those who would come to take whatever they want. Being 40 miles off a major interstate and with no towns of any size with in 35 miles I doubt that many will venture our way and if they did they wouldn't get a warm welcome.
 

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I don't know where you are getting that "everyone" is saying that. The general concensus here is to bug in if at all possible. Bugging out is plan B for most, and that's only if you have a place to go. I have a bug out location at a farm if I have to leave. So I most definately have no intentions of heading to the hills. Those who do, unless they have vast experience in such things, are not long for this world.
What I meant by that is that you can see in past situations, population trends showed that many people, if not most vacated large cities seeking refuge in less populated areas. I should've been more detailed on that.
 

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Um, no. You'd be very surprised to find out how many who post here are planning on bugging in.



The book "Lucifer's Hammer" has a scenario in which the residents of a valley, in order to prevent an influx of refugees, drop a bridge and put up a roadblock on the main road; no one gets in unless they have a needed skill, something extraordinary to trade, or are a very close relative.

That worked, in the book, because there were natural features--ridgelines--that presented a natural barrier.

If you're in an area without natural barriers--rivers, ridgelines, that sort of thing--you're going to have difficulty keeping people away from you.

I believe the natural reaction of most in the city will be to move to rural areas, because "that's where the food is." Others may head toward water once they realize how important that is.

So, depending on how close you are to areas where refugees will emerge, you may have a problem.
I'll have to check that book out, I live in a valley surrounded by mountainous terrain, not that it wouldn't be impossible to shut the road down, but my family lives a few miles off of a major highway.
 

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Here is how i look at it.
I live in a neighborhood with 800 houses. Its close to one of the largest cities in the US. I look at my neighbors and most are unprepared. I assume most in the city close by are unprepared too. I look at 'my stuff" and have decided what i will let them have first. Cause they WILL be wanting "my stuff" cause they dont have there own. I have decided that im out numbered and my house is not in a defendable location. I cant hide my house but i can hide my wife and kids, in a location that is defendable, in a location that dosent have so many unprepared people. I would rather not give up "my stuff" but after prioritizing, the house is not on the top of my list. Either way you go bug in or bug out i wouldnt put all my eggs in one basket. A better plan may include two baskets of eggs...
 

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I had some guy from Joisy call my store and I thought, "Why did he move down here?". I thought that he wanted to get a job down here and live somewhere much safer. That thought made me recoil in that some (esp. with the stereotypical accent and slang) want to inject the immoral values that made Jersey a poo hole and that we don't have enough jobs for ourselves. I felt like a fool for feeling that way in that I'd probably have done the same thing but at least I'd try to fit in.

My point is that I'd be reluctant to let people in who will be a drain on resources or our culture. If they will make us better and pull their own weight I might think about it. And I don't want to go off and mooch off anyone if SHTF.
 

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I had some guy from Joisy call my store and I thought, "Why did he move down here?". I thought that he wanted to get a job down here and live somewhere much safer. That thought made me recoil in that some (esp. with the stereotypical accent and slang) want to inject the immoral values that made Jersey a poo hole and that we don't have enough jobs for ourselves.
You're a better person than I. I've seen Oregon and Nevada losing the battle of the Invasion of Californians. People who move away from CA just to make where they move just like CA. Don't need em. Don't want them.

You've seen Vegas. Leave your money at the nearest casino and go home. Thanks for visiting. Don't mistake our hospitality for an invitation to stay.
 

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You're a better person than I. I've seen Oregon and Nevada losing the battle of the Invasion of Californians. People who move away from CA just to make where they move just like CA. Don't need em. Don't want them.

You've seen Vegas. Leave your money at the nearest casino and go home. Thanks for visiting. Don't mistake our hospitality for an invitation to stay.
absolutely right but what really bothers me are the bay area cruds buying land around reno..........
 
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