[stedeman]

I have been looking at picking up a new handgun and have been drawn to the Armscor Rock Island Armory 1911 9mm & 22TCM.

I have had a 9mm before but it was a CC type and I have bear paws for hands and ended up selling it to pick up a 1911 22. I love the feel of the 1911's and with the option to fire an over kill 22 or 9mm it's like a 2 for one deal plus 17rnds to boot seems like its a real nice carry sidearm.

My understanding of this puppy has only been from youtube clips. I have not found anyone local who has shot or even held one; and none of my local, nor cabelas, has one for me to look at.

My questions are for anyone in here shooting one / shot one and if so what are you thoughts.
Specifically
1) With the 17rd mag is it to wide for comfort for the average person "AE50" feel or just a bit thicker then a regular 1911?

2) When firing the TMC 22rds is it ignorantly loud; to annoying to knock out a box or two of 50rnds?

 

[Lylac_Krazy]

1) It feels wide to me. All my other 1911's are standard cap ones though.
2) yes, but that's subjective. kinda like a 9mm report.

My suggestion: when you buy it, make a deal with the dealer for a case of ammo. I worked out a deal for about $22/box. I say this, as RIA is the solitary ammo manufacture at the moment.
3) Check out the .22 TCM rifle

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...ws-new-tcm-22-bolt-action-rifle-at-shot-show/

I like mine, but the wide grip throws me off. As you have big mitts, I would imagine there is no problem.

 

[Glock19 RTF]

I like the 22TCM concept because in a way it is the reverse of the 5.56/300AAC. But as Lylac Krazy said RIA is the only ammo manufacturer. I'd buy whatever amount of ammo you think you will shoot in a lifetime an a half. This round has been around a while and hasn't really caught on so...... I think it might become a dead cartridge. But if it does the gun is still perfectly useful because of the 9mm so all you've lost is the price of the barrel.

 

[Lylac_Krazy]

The brass is reloadable, hence, getting a butt load of rounds. I do wish I could find non hollow points for it though. I like the idea of being able to defeat body armor with a hi cap handgun if needed.

 

[stedeman]

Well I bought one just need to have it sent to me now... Can not wait to pop off a few rounds.
As for the brass, I have seen people cut and neck down .223 shells for reloads. This was one of the reasons I wanted the platform. The dies are pricey over the stock dies but I shoot .223 so WCS I could do the same

 

[stedeman]

Update:
I got my 1911 last week and is it beautiful! Still waiting on the TCM22 ammo from the same guy; that said the 9mm setup is fun and the original configuration I was looking for. The double stack and TCM configurations are just pluses for me.
However, I find myself going crazy waiting for the TCM ammo, so much so, I ordered another 500 rounds from CTD they may even arrive before the ones from the original seller! I did ask my club if the gun can be used in the indoor range and they said no so I will be stuck to the 8-8 out door ranges.

 

[Lylac_Krazy]

Update:
I got my 1911 last week and is it beautiful! Still waiting on the TCM22 ammo from the same guy; that said the 9mm setup is fun and the original configuration I was looking for. The double stack and TCM configurations are just pluses for me.
However, I find myself going crazy waiting for the TCM ammo, so much so, I ordered another 500 rounds from CTD they may even arrive before the ones from the original seller! I did ask my club if the gun can be used in the indoor range and they said no so I will be stuck to the 8-8 out door ranges.

If you have a good "in" with your LGS, he may order it for you near cost.
Mine will do that for me, with the wildcat calibers I like to shoot. Of course, he has my loyalty when I buy firearms.
Alternately, you can also locate a dealer that stocks lots of RIA stuff and get the ammo there.

I have NOT put the 9mm barrel in yet, did you change the extractor when you did? I was curious, as the manual says to change it out.

 

[Dridas121]

I had the RIA 1911 GI model. It wasn't a bad gun, although it was extremely out of spec. Took a lot more work than it should have to replace the grip safety. Cool thing is that you can buy a .38 super barrel for it and go to town.

 

[stedeman]

If you have a good "in" with your LGS, he may order it for you near cost.
Mine will do that for me, with the wildcat calibers I like to shoot. Of course, he has my loyalty when I buy firearms.
Alternately, you can also locate a dealer that stocks lots of RIA stuff and get the ammo there.

I have NOT put the 9mm barrel in yet, did you change the extractor when you did? I was curious, as the manual says to change it out.

1) Who's LGS?
2) yes on the extractor UNLESS you have a "select grade" then you leave the TCM extractor in and just do the spring and barrel.
3) I ordered 500rnd, 2 days after warlord finally shipped the ammo, from CTD and got them in on the same day as the ammo from warlord.

FYI
Damn this ammo screams! 1/4" steal plate vs 9mm micro dent vs TCM big dent and 50-75% penetration

You can dump the whole mag on target as fast as you can pull the trigger

 

[BurntEyes]

lulz, OP rang the call out bell for the RIA fanbois on this site.

Watch out, here they come.

 

[Glock19 RTF]

This thread got me interested in the 22TCM and getting a conversion barrel for my glock. I sent an email to RIA about making a Glock conversion barrel. They replied that the designer of the cartridge was working with a company called Warlord Arms on bringing it to market. RIA provided me an email address to contact them at and when I sent them an email I didn't get a response and I send it on 3/19/14.

Some further research yielded that the current 22TCM offerings won't fit in a Glock 9mm Magazine due to OAL issues. I'm guessing this is why the designer of the cartridge was working with the company. I hope this comes to fruition.

 

[Lylac_Krazy]

lulz, OP rang the call out bell for the RIA fanbois on this site.

Watch out, here they come.

If you actually read this thread, you would understand we are interested in the 22TCM, not your opinion on RIA firearms.

Stedeman, LGS=Local gun shop. Sorry about the acronym blindside there.

 

[stedeman]

If you are looking for a double stack 1911 in 9mm for a little more I would say jump all over one of these guys. The gun is well build everything fits well and I have to say the 22TCM platform is one of the most enjoyable so far for me. I find the only problem is the ammo goes way to fast and you still have a strong desire to keep on shooting . I would recommend the RIA TCM22 to anyone for pure shooting fun! It would not be my first choice as a home defense gun where the flash and sound are over the top; it would do the trick if you needed it but your hearing would pay the price for a few days at the least.

I have already added HOGUE 14000 grips tweaked to fit just right and 2 new Mec-Gar P18 magazines (trimmed the feed lips back like the factory mags 30 seconds on a grinding wheel and a bit of clean up with some micro files.)

 

[Lylac_Krazy]

Stedman, I found some data and places to pick up ammo cheap.
http://www.raleightacticalsupply.com/catalog/product.asp?pid=1033909&ret_id=1377119
$18.69/50 box
Here is some reloading data
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=391167&page=3
I thin kit best to NOT directly post that data here, as there is some "interesting"
bullet choices for reloaders, that can be abused.