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I read many posts from people on this forum, asserting that survivalists and 'preppers' are not part of the brainwashed masses, the 'sheep' as they are called. But I am beginning to wonder... I think the situation has degraded well past the point that real action is required, perhaps too far past the point. So I pose the question, academically for now: Is there a need for a Revolution in the United States of America?
We ('survivalists') mostly adhere to the "stockpile and maintain a low profile" strategy. What if that is exactly what is desired by our corporate elite masters. Just stay at home, wait it out, and keep relatively quiet. They maintain the advantage of initiative or surprise. If we simply allow them to keep making the first move, we will always be a step behind, or as I currently see it, about 3 steps behind.
Granted, a revolution is always a reactionary event, but at what threshold? I believe something should have happened when Bush stole the presidency, or again when questions surfaced about 9/11, or again when Congress rolled over and allowed the occupation of Iraq, or again when the Bailout was passed. Truthfully, if we weren't all such media controlled zombies, there would have been an uprising a long time ago. We cling to the delusion of democracy when we have never even had a true democracy, we have a representative republic, with inherent socialist characteristics. And so many cry "Socialist! Marxist!". Wake up!
We talk about people coming for our guns and our survival gear. They don't need to folks, thay already have your mind. You say "No!"? Then why has no ACTION been taken. You are NOT required to pay taxes on your labor... but you do. You posessions and communications and home are supposed to be secure... they are not. You are gauranteed the right to keep and bear arms... but the government doesnt allow you to have the same firepower that they possess. Our Government is not allowed to torture its citzens... but it does. We are gauranteed the right to free speech and assembly... but peaceful assemblies and rallies end in teargas and arrests. Actions taken by our leaders that are un-Constitutional should be investigated and tried... they are not. I could go on and on.
I care not that this may raise some red flag on some NSA computer... it needs to be said. I'm not screaming "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre folks, I'm saying "Hmmm...looks like a fire.." in the burned up charred remains of a once great structure. I don't know if its too late, I guess time will tell. But I'm rapidly losing hope. Perhaps some brave true patriots will rise up. Am I that brave? I don't know yet, but I see the writing on the wall... it's been there for awhile.

Sincerely, EQV
 

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Never will be a revolution in the u.s.,most of the American people are to fat ,lazy and stupid,cowardly to.
Most will go peacefully to the fema death camps.
 

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Never will be a revolution in the u.s.,most of the American people are to fat ,lazy and stupid,cowardly to.
Most will go peacefully to the fema death camps.
I don't think there will be any need for any "death camps". The people of this country will simply continue to slave for their masters, grumbling and complaining "Gee this sucks, I wish someone would do something!"
 

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I believe a revolution is the only way that this country would be able to get back on it's constitutional track.

Simply voting for people who say they support the constitution isn't enough to be able to break through the wall of tyranny that has been built over the years to act as a buffer between government and we the people.

Unfortunately, with all the gun laws that have been passed with the approval of the complacent anti gun freaks who have no idea of how they have tied the hands of the people that would possibly be able to fight for their freedom and liberty, we can't own the same tools the military is able to use. But it doesn't mean that those things are REALLY needed.. We see first hand how "insurgents" with AKs can defeat our high tech military.. And who knows.. Maybe there ARE many military people that would join if they realized at what extent the constitution has truly been destroyed and by whom..

I believe that the time for talking and voting the constitution back into our lives is gone.
 

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My girlfriend and I were having another chat last night. Talk about the need for gun law reform (so we can carry in Canada), school reform (because we are churning out stupid kids), prison and law reform (get pot smokers out of jail and killers in the gallows). The key thing I couldn't get her to was the need for full government reform. We talked about how allowing guns and home and self defence to become more acceptable and legal would deter crime. I got her to the point of saying that crime happens because we let it happen, with lax laws and punishment, and a morally bankrupt society. When I told her the government F*cks us because we let them, and that we had damned well better do something about it, I lost her, cause i was being "crazy".

Guys at work call me a grumpy old man at age 20. I don't have cable, I don't embrace the newest gadgets (I'm in the IT field), and I'm not really concerned about the newest and coolest cars anymore. I'm fed up with this whole system of $hit and crap. If at age 20 I can see we need change, and that we're going to have to force it, why can't others?

I'm trying to get other educated and awakened, but getting people to action is a whole different ball game. Waking someone up is step one, out of bed is step two, dressed step three. Then we probably have to feed them, train them, and then they'll be ready to address the problem.

(Sitting in my office holding off on screaming like a killer monkey)

P.S. Should be going to get some silver coins in 30 minutes:)
 

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Don't include me in your "We"! I don't think we need a revolution, I think we need new political leadership, and we're about to get it.

I actually don't understand why people seem to have given up on using the ballot box to effect change, and seem more inclined to use the bullet for change instead. But that's just me!

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So... academically speaking of course... how would it start? For it to work, there would need to be coordinated action nation wide. If it were scattered and spread out over time, it could be suppressed and hushed up. Or will it be a reaction to some polarizing event? If so, we run into the reactionary problem again... they will have the playbook written in advance. Again, ;-) , this is totally academic and hypothetical.. I simply am intrigued by the times we live in. Very exciting times.
 

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Don't include me in your "We"! I don't think we need a revolution, I think we need new political leadership, and we're about to get it.

I actually don't understand why people seem to have given up on using the ballot box to effect change, and seem more inclined to use the bullet for change instead. But that's just me!

HippieSurvivalist
LOL, you are right about that highlighted, boldfaced, and magnified part! But only that part.

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No, we don't need a political revolution. We need a cultural revolution....we need people to wake-up and start to care and get involved, and to think beyond themselves and the short-term. Our political system is only as flawed as we are...We are the people, that our forefathers warned us about.
 

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Americans are subdued by prozac, alcohol , sporting events, movies, T.V. ,video games etc. We see corruption and horrific acts on the news daily, but a few days later all is forgotten and we quietly go back to our mind-numbing vices. As stated above ,we will never coordinate a substancial revolt ,because Americans in general are apathetic and self -serving ,with the attention span of a golden retriever.
 

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Is there a need for a Revolution in the United States of America? ... Perhaps some brave true patriots will rise up.
I believe a revolution is the only way that this country would be able to get back on it's constitutional track.

Ok. You two have been chosen as the 'Grand Poo-bahs' of the Revolution. Start the Revolution. How/Where do you start a/the revolution? What do you do, that won't destroy the infrastructure of this country and send us back into 19th century?

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No, we don't need a political revolution. We need a cultural revolution....we need people to wake-up and start to care and get involved, and to think beyond themselves and the short-term. Our political system is only as flawed as we are...We are the people, that our forefathers warned us about.
Cultural revolution would take time, precious time that we don't have. And in our current society, I don't think it could happen. There is far too much manipulation through education(ha!), entertainment media and news media for any significant cultural change to take place.

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Ok. You two have been chosen as the 'Grand Poo-bahs' of the Revolution. Start the Revolution. How/Where do you start a/the revolution? What do you do, that won't destroy the infrastructure of this country and send us back into 19th century?

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Well, academically speaking of course, they would have to overcome the stigma attached to simply talking about it first. After that... I'm not sure... I bet there are some groups that actually have plans in this arena. I don't know of them specifically, but they're out there. Also, anyone who has friends or family in the military or law enforcement should intelligently and passionately argue that there should be a change, and that they should be on the right side when it comes. That to me is one of the key pieces of the puzzle. Any other thoughts out there?

EQV

p.s. I respecfully decline your nomination of me as "Grand Poo-Bah" of the Revolution. For now.
 

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Don't include me in your "We"! I don't think we need a revolution, I think we need new political leadership, and we're about to get it.

I actually don't understand why people seem to have given up on using the ballot box to effect change, and seem more inclined to use the bullet for change instead. But that's just me!

HippieSurvivalist
if idiots would simply stop playing the already compromised two party system, hoping that the next time their numbers would come up as if they were at the frigging casino, then they would realize what REAL change is and not the same back and forth BS that we've been played by both the republicans and democrats.

You are a smart guy, but intelligence means nothing if it can't get out of such a closed mind.
 

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im in england and really think that things are changing here... violence and social depression seem a day to day event and the cost of living is massive its very worrying times:confused:
 

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The American Revolution was a revolution of spirit before it ever became a shooting war. It was of the enlightened realization of our founders that they were born with rights that were given to them by their Creator, and that a government which sought to separate people from their rights was illegitimate on that basis. It was natural then to compare Gods liberty to that which the government allowed them in Gods name. The clear vision of how they were being enslaved then took shape. They were to be slaves no longer once they committed their lives to the cause of liberty, whether or not the law of the land still enslaved them. Without that quality of inner liberty, their cause would have not been worth dying for. There would have not been the power of spirit that kept starving and freezing armies inspired to win.

The founders did not begin the Declaration of Independence with the notion of reforming the government they had to begin with. They began with what God had given them to begin with, and went on from there. They began to make their own preps. They began to become self sufficient, as their supplies for war would soon be depleted. They needed to not care anymore about what the British were going to hand out to them. They needed to not need them. They became dangerously self-sufficient. A citizen who is not dependent on government poses a much greater threat to tyranny than force of arms.

It is from the clear perch of self-sufficiency that the citizen chooses candidates based on their commitment to Constitutional principles, and not on muddled micro-issues which serve to confuse and divert the otherwise wary observer. It is from that stance that free speech is really exercised, do sheep in a pen speak freely, if they are not free? I believe that our Revolution can live again, if and when we cultivate for ourselves a truly independent voice, from a place within ourselves that knows liberty, regardless of any government sanctioned “officially recognized” form of the same.

One third of the population at the time of the Revolution actually supported it. Another third were loyalists, and the remaining third was “undecided”. Can we organize one third of our population today for the cause of liberty? Only with leadership that has experienced the inner Revolution first, or there will be no power to inspire. It’s no different from back then. The cause of liberty had reached critical mass among the people, and the right and natural course of action was guaranteed, although the outcome was not.

They didn’t appeal to some political theory, or a text book of successful government practices when declaring independence. There was no one to commit their lives and common fortune to except for God. They were originals, and they couldn’t point to some other place on earth where this had been tried. It didn’t matter. All efforts at reasoning had been exhausted; all they were left with was their own relationship with each other, and their Creator. Now that is a state of potential! Therein lay the power of the Revolution. That momentum may be recreated. The course of action following will be the right and natural one, although it may not look at all like the first.

We have mechanisms in place to vote people in or out of office. We have in place at this time the means to change government without a shooting war, but that is not to say that the change will not be revolutionary. We have our Constitution, but the revolutionary return to its principles will require no less of enlightenment than that of our Founders. Slaves don’t prosecute successful revolutions.
 

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im in england and really think that things are changing here... violence and social depression seem a day to day event and the cost of living is massive its very worrying times:confused:
I agree, it seems everywhere people are passively marching down a road, led by greedy leeches, towards a very dark and uncertain (certain?) future. I think we all need to wake up, stop being passive, and demand, at gunpoint if necessary, a change. Barack Obama is not going to give us change(well, maybe pennies on the dollar), John McCain is not going to give us change. We need to stop relying on someone to "give us" change. We need to MAKE change. We need to take control back from the corporations and elite financiers of the globe. It will require a true renaissance of our age, a global awakening. And it might require some bloodshed, I don't want that, but its a simple fact. Power is not relinquished without a struggle, ever.

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The American Revolution was a revolution of spirit before it ever became a shooting war. It was of the enlightened realization of our founders that they were born with rights that were given to them by their Creator, and that a government which sought to separate people from their rights was illegitimate on that basis. It was natural then to compare Gods liberty to that which the government allowed them in Gods name. The clear vision of how they were being enslaved then took shape. They were to be slaves no longer once they committed their lives to the cause of liberty, whether or not the law of the land still enslaved them. Without that quality of inner liberty, their cause would have not been worth dying for. There would have not been the power of spirit that kept starving and freezing armies inspired to win.

The founders did not begin the Declaration of Independence with the notion of reforming the government they had to begin with. They began with what God had given them to begin with, and went on from there. They began to make their own preps. They began to become self sufficient, as their supplies for war would soon be depleted. They needed to not care anymore about what the British were going to hand out to them. They needed to not need them. They became dangerously self-sufficient. A citizen who is not dependent on government poses a much greater threat to tyranny than force of arms.

It is from the clear perch of self-sufficiency that the citizen chooses candidates based on their commitment to Constitutional principles, and not on muddled micro-issues which serve to confuse and divert the otherwise wary observer. It is from that stance that free speech is really exercised, do sheep in a pen speak freely, if they are not free? I believe that our Revolution can live again, if and when we cultivate for ourselves a truly independent voice, from a place within ourselves that knows liberty, regardless of any government sanctioned “officially recognized” form of the same.

One third of the population at the time of the Revolution actually supported it. Another third were loyalists, and the remaining third was “undecided”. Can we organize one third of our population today for the cause of liberty? Only with leadership that has experienced the inner Revolution first, or there will be no power to inspire. It’s no different from back then. The cause of liberty had reached critical mass among the people, and the right and natural course of action was guaranteed, although the outcome was not.

They didn’t appeal to some political theory, or a text book of successful government practices when declaring independence. There was no one to commit their lives and common fortune to except for God. They were originals, and they couldn’t point to some other place on earth where this had been tried. It didn’t matter. All efforts at reasoning had been exhausted; all they were left with was their own relationship with each other, and their Creator. Now that is a state of potential! Therein lay the power of the Revolution. That momentum may be recreated. The course of action following will be the right and natural one, although it may not look at all like the first.

We have mechanisms in place to vote people in or out of office. We have in place at this time the means to change government without a shooting war, but that is not to say that the change will not be revolutionary. We have our Constitution, but the revolutionary return to its principles will require no less of enlightenment than that of our Founders. Slaves don’t prosecute successful revolutions.
I'm not into religion, but thanks for the input. EDIT: I truly appreciate your taking the time and thought to post this, but I am opposed to religion in government specifically and in society in general. I think religion is divisive and manipulative. I have no religious beliefs. I am not trying to start any arguments about religion, I just don't think it's necessary. Just MHO.
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That is one of my pet peeves about this site. A lot of the high minded revolutionary stuff or right wing stuff is packed with this religious stuff.

That being said gmdss is talking about what happened in the first revolution, so we can't bash that, if it is historically accurate.
 
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