Wouldn't be surprised. Everyday new laws are being passed. And every law that is passed is just another restriction or limitation of our rights. Hope it doesn't happen, but no bully ever backs down, if his victims never stand up.

 

WE ARE [EXPLETIVE deleted ...!]

I don't know where people get the idea that we have "rights" and "liberties" secured by government, and that the battle is between freedom and tyranny.

The Declaration of Independence (1776) states that we are endowed with the right to life and liberty by our Creator. And that governments are instituted to SECURE those rights.

But militiamen (17-45), were under obligation to train, fight, and die, on command, from 1777 onward (Articles of Confederation VI, and U.S. Constitution, Art. 1, Sec. 8 - - - the legal source for "Selective Service").
❏ Title 10 USC Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes
❏ (a) The militia of the United States consists of ALL able-bodied MALES at least 17 years of age and, ... under 45 years of age who are ... CITIZENS of the United States

The Supreme Court has held, in Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), that the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit "enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, MILITIA, on the jury, etc." In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".

Since the militia only include male CITIZENS, and not all people (who apparently retain their rights), citizenship must be voluntary. But once one volunteers, those civic duties become mandatory.

Now that we know it is our consent to be citizens that waives our right to life and liberty, it is futile to argue over the loss of other inconsequential rights such as those lost to national socialism via FICA (absolute ownership of private property, sovereignty, freedom, etc.).

Complaining about consent already given is as useful as a volunteer on a suicide mission, blurting out: "They want me to do WHAT?! - That could get me KILLED!"

Of course, if you withdrew consent, and were no longer a "person liable" then the government wouldn't "govern you."

You DID withdraw consent, right?

 

WE ARE [EXPLETIVE deleted ...!]

I don't know where people get the idea that we have "rights" and "liberties" secured by government, and that the battle is between freedom and tyranny. But militiamen (17-45), were under obligation to train, fight, and die, on command, from 1777 onward (Articles of Confederation VI, and U.S. Constitution, Art. 1, Sec. 8 - - - the legal source for "Selective Service").

Dude, really? So, you think that in 1775, that patriots had to be coerced into fighting?


Here's what I imagine was the conversation back in 1775.

The 13( mostly British) Colonists: Yeah, we're making money hand over fist and we own land like never before and we don't want to give any to the King and we're tired of them being here and just taking over stuff and bullying us, etc, so we need to beat the British and become independent.

George Washington: Ok, then I need ALL able bodies to pitch in and give everything you got and then we're going to need ALOT more help.

13 Colonists: OK, no problem. Bennie's over in France, he'll com thru for us. Just got a letter the other day. Pretty hard to read, but something about how the French can party and wine and women and a naval fleet.

Washington:. well, being a British military officer, I know how they( British) fight, so I 'll need to be able to command, whatever I say goes.

13 Colonists: yeah, yeah, whatever you need.

Washington: No really, folks can get killed, but I'll ask them to do a whole lot with nothing.

13 Colonies; Listen, we're living in the wilderness, folks die every day, from wild animals, Indians, sickness and disease, how hard can it be?

Washington: Well, it won't be easy, it could quite possibly be the hardest thing we do, we'll be called traitors.


13 Colonies: Listen, is there a problem? Did we not make ourselves clear? We want to beat the British and be Americans. Now either you're on board or we'll find somebody else.


Washington: well I just want y'all to be sure.

13 Colonies: NOTHING could be worse that this. Have you forgotten how bad England sux? Why do you think we're here?

 

It should come as no surprise to the Republicans. The Republican party is largely responsible for America's liberties being stomped into the dirt.

 

I don't believe that there are any "innocents" at this party.

 

I have to chuckle at this. An armed revolution? Highly doubtful and lets just hope that one doesn't happen.

First, there wouldn't be anything left of the USA if such a thing did happen.

Second, it's far more likely that we are going to have a dollar crash and everyone is going to be crapping themselves silly when that happens. Anyone that was prepping will find out that they didn't prep enough, myself included.

I also think that the real problem is that too many people are still right side and left side. Why isn't there an up or a down in all of the political party options? If you identify yourself as either a Democrat or a Republican then you are part of the problem and you need to wake up and see the system for what it really is.

 

I have to chuckle at this. An armed revolution? Highly doubtful and lets just hope that one doesn't happen.

First, there wouldn't be anything left of the USA if such a thing did happen.

That is what untold numbers of people said before the war with the British. What ended up happening, yeah we kicked British buttocks, formed a new nation with a foundation (you know the one that BO likes to circumvent with EO's).

Why would history not repeat itself again with the demorats, libtards, enviro's wack jobs and similar? They would be on the losing end, then be left out of the re-instituted country. If they are so great, then they can form their own country somewhere else or they can get in line with the program that had served this country well for nearly 200 years.

"The tree of liberty must be nourished from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants alike. It is its natural manure"
Thomas Jefferson

 

During the start of the civil war, when states started to secede from the Union. The Lincoln administration was very serious about starting a war with England to unify all Americans and to prevent civil war. I seriously hope that is not what is going on now with Russia. Putin doesn't strike me as a man that would tolerate losing. Especially when in his mind he already lost the cold war. There would be Nuclear war.

 

During the start of the civil war, when states started to secede from the Union. The Lincoln administration was very serious about starting a war with England to unify all Americans and to prevent civil war.

Say, where'd you get that little tidbit from? Source?

 

may have to suspend the revolution until after ww4

 

Or for forever since it's not going to happen.

 

The population is too complacent to do anything other than just sit here.....

Did you wonder why your computer blanked out all those words you typed and you had to go back in and edit them? Geeze dude, I'm no saint, but that was just unnecessary. Paraphrasing from the house rules

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The easiest way to keep out of trouble is to just type every word spelled correctly, the language filter will change most banned words to *******. You may get a warning or infraction for using them so try to remember this is a family forum.

There are also words and topics that are completely banned. All explained in the rules http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=2

 

Just my musing based on what I seem to be seeing. Before "they" allow a revolution against those that have done this to America ie Banks/Wall Street/Government. They may have the population fight each other. So they can then intervene with the civilian armies they have created. Every method of creating a race war seem to be in play now. Even an idiot could do better in calming racial friction than they have done.

Isolated events are trumpeted, facts misconstrued, the fired fanned. Television and radio work night and day to divide America. They want friction between blacks, whites, illegal aliens and every other "division" of people. Why?? Seems to me the plan is the same as used in many countries before ours. To them, it's MUCH BETTER if Citizens are killing each other THAN THEM. Better to be lynching minorities than lynching Bankers on Wall Street.

If things get bad enough something will trigger massive intervention by the Security Forces they have in place. Nothing is about terrorist. Not the NSA, Not Homeland Security, Not TSA, NOT THE IRS SCANDAL, not anything. It's about you and me. The average guy. That's who they are afraid of. That's why they are keeping the pumped primed for violence. All these letter agencies will protect those that are the perpetrators by putting a boot in your face. Just a simple mans thoughts, that distrust those in charge.

 

Thing is, it's about 50-50 odds that it will be a Republican dominated government that people are rebelling against. When it comes to our freedom, the GOP isn't much different than the Dems. Indeed, which party was it that gave us the Patriot Act, DHS, expansion of the NSA and all the other nice totalitarian tools that the Dems are now expanding even further?

Don't let yourselves be divided by the two major political parties, they are two sides of the same corrupt statist coin. Unify on core principles rather than dividing on party lines.

 

it's just silly sensationalism season for politics...get the big ticket motivational speakers to CPAC etc and of course counter culture events on the other side as well...
this is that time of year to just enjoy the entertainment..and frankly it's hard to tell the real thing from a SNL skit at times...
don't get my wrong, i enjoy looking at Sarah as much as the next guy...prefer to watch her speeches with the mute button on... but whether it's her or ol Mitch stumbling out with some antique rifle that's almost as crusty as he is...it's all a show right now..

the real nasty will happen when people who have worked for decades to build a good life, find their bank accounts frozen, their mortgage levied and facing one oppty to report to the police station to turn themselves in for a 2 year prison sentence just because they own a gun that they have never used in a crime..but now are criminal...you take a good man...a really good, honorable citizen, and take all that away from him....sooner or later...a couple of em are going to find themselves backed into a corner..and they're gonna bite.

 

Any armed revolution will not be nationwide most likely. It'll be in certain states that have large population who feel their leaders are allowing or assisting in the trampling of certain rights.

I don't see it happening in Kalifornia or New Jersey for instance. It would appear most people in those states care nothing for their rights.

I don't see it happening in Oklahoma or Arizona either. They have so far maintained the rights their people value.

I could see it in a place like my home state of Florida. If Florida moves "blue" and gets to a New York kind of level of restriction on certain rights, then the Panhandle of Florida all the way along the Florida-Georgia line is likely to erupt.

Now, I don't think anyone will revolt over the trampling of most rights. I think the top trigger would be gun rights. Heavy taxation could push us in that direction. But no one is going to revolt over not being able to smoke weed or buy a large soda at McDonald's.

For those waiting for a nationwide revolution, don't hold your breath. But keep your eyes open for smaller examples of civil disobedience that lead to physical oppression (sharp increase in presence of federal agents, road checkpoints or local law enforcement kicking in people's doors, for example). If that spreads and neither side blinks, that's where you might find your armed revolution.

 

I could see it in a place like my home state of Florida. If Florida moves "blue" and gets to a New York kind of level of restriction on certain rights, then the Panhandle of Florida all the way along the Florida-Georgia line is likely to erupt..

Well, that's right where I am and I agree:thumb:

 

We can hope.

 

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There are times when the make 5 posts rule before you can download, etc. is worth while when you have posts by newbies such as found above in the quoted material :

 

Republicans say U.S. headed toward ‘armed revolution'

That story is almost a year old. (May 2013). IMO the professor for FDU is pro gun restriction laws and did the survey with that agenda in mind. Since he and FDU are from north-jersey I would think the survey was skewed along political lines.

I would like to see the results of the same survey done today but there usually is not any follow up. Just what made a headline at the time.

Cut off the food stamps / welfare and then see who is revoltingg.

 

Excellent observations. Folks, this survey (http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2013/guncontrol/ ) is a year old. How is this "news"? Anyone bother to look up the survey to scrutinize the methodology, possible bias, the wording of the questions, the interpretation of the results, etc.?

I appreciate the passion demonstrated by some of you, but "armed revolution" should never be threatened or used without great deliberation and extreme need. A bunch of similarly-minded keyboard jockeys batting some ideas around in reaction to an inflamitory article hardly counts as serious deliberation. Are those of you who would take up arms so confident that order and a constitutional form of government can be restored once the shooting starts? You really think that, when the dust settles, the "winners" in an armed revolution would be pure as the Founding Fathers as to relinquish power? (IMO, G. Washington refusing a de facto kingship was probably the single greatest individual act that made this Constitutional government possible!)

This Great Experiment was created by some truly extraordinary men. Look within you. Can you honestly say with any confidence that you, and those aound you, remotely approach that greatness which might replicate and secure a Second Great Experiment?

Things look grim now, but tipping the game boad is not only bad form, but supremely dangerous. And, not likely going to result in anything favorable, or recognizable. Be careful what you wish for...

 

I believe our rights have been trampled on since Lincoln. No Lucy the Civil War was not about slavery, as they tried to teach my children. You can see today all the states whose State Laws that have been overturned by Federal Judges. I can envision a day when the right Governor is not elected according to the boys out east, the election will be overturned by a Federal judge. We need to start thinking as one people, Americans!

 

Those are the same conservatives that thought Mitt Romney was going to be President.

 

I have to chuckle at this. An armed revolution? Highly doubtful and lets just hope that one doesn't happen.

First, there wouldn't be anything left of the USA if such a thing did happen.

Second, it's far more likely that we are going to have a dollar crash and everyone is going to be crapping themselves silly when that happens. Anyone that was prepping will find out that they didn't prep enough, myself included.

Nothing left of the USA if this happened?!! --good!
Bring it on.
This mess needs to be downsized ASAP.

FYI--the "revolution" will be caused/sparked by the "dollar" demise/collapse.

 

I live in the Democrat majority of California. It's not the Republicans that are taking away my rights here.

 

That's like saying that what happens on the national level in America doesn't effect you. Interesting place that you live in.

 

Freedom, and Freedom, so lets keep it that way! For real though political manipulation has ALLWAYS played a role in controlling ALL countries. But its pretty difficult to stop people by playing by the rules when thoes you are trying to stop write the rules, and have been, from both parties, for the past century. Please, let us focus on the real issue, the loss of liberty in this country, how it can be stopped, and how to prevent it from happening again.

 

OK I just have to say this. Americans are so divided about how to move forward I do believe it is time for a split. On one side those of us that work hard and prosper. The other side well they can have all the lazy looters that want everything handed to them instead of working for for it. I would not be surprised to see that other side fold rather quickly but hay once you leave the land of the people that work stay the hell out. If it takes a revolution for us to get the liberties that have been taken from us back so be it. I am sick and tired of libs telling no matter how hard I work I have to give more and more of my income to people that do not want to work.

 

They may take some, but the democrats take even more than the Feds do.

 

Some things bear repeating...

A video that deserves to be shared

trust me before anyone comments...I'm well aware of Larken Roses limitations....Do your own homework..

 

A survey of Republicans found nearly half agreed that “an armed revolution in order to protect liberties might be necessary in the next few years.”

Notice the word I put in bold.

That really says it all to me.

 

That does not rebut the point of the previous post.

The point is - that once you volunteer to be a citizen you WAIVED your rights - as evidenced by compulsory / mandatory duties imposed upon you.

FWIW - there are no such duties imposed upon American nationals / free inhabitants who did not give their consent to be governed.
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BUT if you volunteered to be a citizen...

These are excellent points.
However the selling/re-education the sheeple on "sovereign citizenship" has not been well handled in the past two decades.

I make the point like this... do you want to be a "free citizen" or a "licensed consumer?"

Any yes everyone out there... with our "modern system" of commercial code laws, you are merely a licensed consumer and not truly free in any sense at all.

But the problem is--few if any court system or judge will listen to, much less actually consider the arguments put forward by sovereign citizens.

They will however listen to them after the shakeout comes, because this line of thought will be the prevailing line of thought here in this country.

 

This is a rather interesting thread; good stuff.
Just my $.02: No matter what transpires, they'll never take Michigan. Not central government, not an invader, not a U.N. coalition. There are more infantry weapons in this state than the entire U.S. armed forces, and more ammunition than the stocks of the entire Chinese military. And a huge cadre of folk just hoping it happens.

Just sayin' .

 

Yeah, ok,dude,whatever, apparantly the mushrooms are pretty good up there,too.
Just sayin'.