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I let my dinosaur diesel truck go into hibernation when fuel prices jumped. Now I need to get it up and going again. The inspection, registration, insurance, you know the usual needs to be done before I can legally drive it on the road.

The batteries are now 9 years old. Yes there are two of them that get to be replaced every time. I had fired this truck up last January the day of an arctic cold front blowing in and temps dropped to single digits. It got cold fast on that one Saturday late afternoon.

I had originally purchased the batteries from Home Depot. They were on the shelf about one month, so I good with that. There was a three year free replacement and I was good with that too. For the last nine years they have been mostly trouble free. At least no trouble from the batteries themselves.

The positive cable was original from 1986 and was in need of replacement. The cable connects both batteries together and runs down to the starter. It took a while before I realized the truck was only pulling from one battery. There was that much resistance under the insulation on one end. Corrosion had made its way in and I did not catch on until a year later.

During the summer time my truck started up fairly quick. But on cold days or sitting for a month or so, it took some effort to fire up. This is when I had to do some simple troubleshooting and found the problem. It is too obvious when only one battery is showing a charge. Something would be amiss there. And not a spark plug either.

From sitting these last few months the usual corrosion happened in a big way. I might have forgotten to keep the batteries charged during this time too.

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Shopping around, I find the same batteries from Home Depot are now $129. Considering everything over the last four years, not so bad. I paid just under $100 back then. Group 65 with three year warranty at 850 cranking amps.

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Out of curiosity I also checked out Wally World. They show either the group 24 or 27 battery to fit my truck. These are what Ford has used before going to the shorter group 65 in more recent decades. Both size batteries sell for $149 and this one is rated at 810 cranking amps. Same replacement warranty.

The last one of these from Wally World got me about 7 years. Otherwise not much difference. But it was a single battery, not dual setup. I get more life on a pair of these, so makes sense. I will likely go back with the Home Depot batteries.

Unless these give me trouble, I see no reason to change brands. The Home Depot batteries are made by Exide. It would be nice to get another nine years out of the next set. Get the truck roadworthy to go the distance.

Other issues I need to address are the cable connections. From sitting and lack of maintenance the ends had corroded up like a severely bad fungal growth. I poured water with baking soda added and washed away most of the nasty.

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You notice after all of the corrosion removed, so is most of the nut that pinches the cable end around the battery post. After the baking soda treatment, I was surprised the nut unscrewed without any fight or resistance.

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Where the threads were exposed on pinch bolt they are gone. You can see the full threads where the nut was. The nut was 1/2 diameter hex, but now a 7/16 just slips right over. But the hex is still prominent. Just a bit smaller. The jacket does a good job hiding the corrosion on the 2/0 copper cable. I dont like replacing ends, but might not be any worse than a much smaller cable.

This is still the original negative battery cable on right side. It has been limped along for too long. I need to replace it, but original size 2/0 cable is expensive and few places would even have it in stock even for a later model truck. I can get standard #2 size cable anywhere, but is a lot smaller.

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The other negative cable end broke off. So I had to do an emergency repair back then. It has held up so far, but needs to be replaced. I used this aluminum terminal lug to do a quick cut and replace. The main problem with this is the aluminum lug corrodes under the mounting screw and looses contact. An occasional remove and scrape clean would keep it limping it along. But that only goes so far before you get stranded. Or too much resistance it will not draw current or charge.

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One of the new positive cable ends also corroded up really bad. But washed off mostly showing everything intact except the bolt. The nut here was almost completely gone. It broke loose easy enough but was almost in two pieces. Replace bolt and this will clean up like new. Make sure to scrub the contact surface.

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There was one that still had an anti-corrosion washer underneath. With exception to a minor bit of corrosion on the nut, everything else was as you see it here. No cleaning required to find this cable end.

Another issue is one of the fuel sending units is not correct for this truck. The ohms range is different and only shows full for about 1/8 tank, then goes to empty. When Ford changed to fuel injection, they also changed the sending units. The old style dating back a long time was finally updated. The diesel engines in trucks at this time still used the older style.

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These were used on diesels from 1983 to 1986 and not something that was easy to hunt down in the past. At least not all that cheap. And especially not to be found used. Fortunately there are now some aftermarket ones available and cheap. I can either replace the one in need for $35 and $7 shipping. Or I can buy the pair for $58 with free shipping. Hmm, tough decision there...

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This is for front tank and the one I need to replace. But wait, there is more...

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Instead of having a fine mesh nylon screen filter, the diesels use these suction cups. No they dont really suck. These push down flat on bottom of tank. But do have a wire screen. This almost eliminates fuel sloshing and air getting sucked up into the fuel pumps.

There is a down side. These will disintegrate after so many years in use. Like literally just crumble like plastic sitting out in the sun for way too long. An obvious diagnosis for these failing is 1) truck only runs until tank is about half empty, or 2) the broken bits get sucked into the lift pump and clogs it all up. One way or another it puts the brakes on your daily activities.

These same exact parts are currently still in use for newer diesel trucks. So figure about 15 years of service, they might be in need of replacement. But they are dirt cheap. Less than $10 a piece. You only need to remove the fuel tank to replace them. Or take the bed off of the truck.

There is just enough room to replace the front sending unit if careful working around the driveshaft. Not quite as easy on the rear tank. Either bed removal or dropping the tank down in front if you want to shortcut things.
 
#2 ·
If you order online, you can get group 65 batteries from Walmart for 59.95. The rub is they charge a $12 core charge and call it a tax. I got a refund on this by arguing with their auto department. They usually last me at least 4 years.
 
#4 ·
If you live near a COSTCO they have some deals on interstate batteries.
Just a note for getting at fuel pumps and such on pickups....I cut a hole in my bed then screwed a cover back over it. Much easier repairs on the fly.
Interstate user here. Have in 3 vehicles now. No issues.
 
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I have never had luck with other batteries lasting 9 years as this pair. Interstate used to be the battery of choice. But like everything else, things change. I appreciate the input. My surprise is finding out Wally World is higher on their equivalent battery than the Exide from Home Depot.

Exide, Interstate and Gould are battery manufacturers I have recognized over the years. It is interesting that Exide technologies is one of the partner companies that manufacturers Interstate Batteries. Johnson Controls was also manufacturing them in the recent past. The Interstate Battery System of America, Inc. is a privately owned battery marketing and distributing firm that sells them.

So for now I am going to stick with what has been working for the last 9 years. That is decent life for any fla battery in a vehicle.
 
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I had considered going that route. There is a 50 length of very fine strand 4/0 thick insulation cable I use for ground on the welder. It would not miss a few feet. This might be a good idea for the negative cables that need replaced. Just more things to do. I would like to still have a mold to pour my own cable ends. But things like this take time away from more critical objectives. And rarely ever needed.
 
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I have had very good results with the EverStart MAXX batteries from Walmart. I always look for the newest date code on the shelf. The $12 fee is actually a disposal tax, US Govt provided, to encourage you to return the core for disposal and $12 refund as opposed to throwing it in a land fill. Just bring your old batteries with you when you buy new. Where I have had problems is generally with a parasitic drain in the vehicle which is a problem with modern cars and computers. My 01 expedition rear wiper would not park due to a mechanical problem, so the computer stayed awake trying to sort things out. Another vehicle had a problem with the brake switch keeping the brake lights on. You gotta sort out these things before the battery, the alternator, etc.
 
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Nice thing about my old dinosaur is nothing is electronic, except the circuit board in radio. It is about old school as you can get. Maybe that is one reason the batteries had a long life. For the core charge, they are not particular what battery you return. I bring in a small home security battery to get back my $12. Then take the old battery to a scrap yard for its weight.
 
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So the pickup screen in fuel tank disintegrated. If someone did not know about them would think their truck was possessed. Nice thing is they are cheap and not too hard to change out. Those were used from 1985 thru 2008. They worked great right up until that happens.
 
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Correct truck always died at 1/4 tank I always assumed it had water / contamination of fuel. And when it got low enough it clogged pickup but yes plastic screen deteriorated and once gone was 2-3” off fuel tank bottom. The spring hangers were shot soooo waited until I had some time and now restoring truck. Meaning bumper to bumper go through. Grind and paint entire undercarriage then spray bed liner on uc. It’s gonna take time.
 
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I went ahead and bit the bullet. Yesterday was the big day. It was finally time to get new batteries for the old diesel truck. When I acquired this truck back in late 2015, it was not running and transmission was torn apart in water logged boxes and buckets still full of water in the bed. Overall the body was clean, original and no signs of rust. The truck had never suffered any wrecks or body damage thru its entire existence.

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There had been signs of what appeared to be where a fifth wheel mounted at one time. The tailgate had been replaced and painted to original color. This was obvious since paint was actually shiny. The rest of trucks paint job not so much. As in dullsville. There are the cracks in the corners of the bed so typical when a fifth wheel is used extensively.

My conclusion is someone had likely pulled a big travel or cattle trailer in its previous life. I bought the truck on a whim. It was cheap enough and overall had not suffered any real obvious abuse. Interior is all original and has the usual tears on drivers side. A cheap seat cover had resolved that issue sometime prior to my purchase.

The old truck is a 1986 F250 Supercab. It is the XLT and fully loaded. Aside from power windows and carpet it is not much different from lower level trim models. There is the the burl walnut dash panels and leather covered steering wheel tho. The seat material is cloth, which when new was not so bad. I dont know if this woven material is still available to go back looking like original. But with seat cover over the tears, it is not a big deal. This is a work truck. One fortunately I have been working out of since repaired instead of working on all this time.

After checking out the truck, I figured how hard would it be to work on a diesel? I had not been up and close experiencing adventures with any type of diesel engines before this project. So a great chance to educate myself.

Just for chits and grins, I bolted in the transmission body minus all of the guts to support the engine and to mount the starter. After some diagnostics, I figured out the glow plug arrangement and worked out the starter troubles with solenoid to get it cranking over.

With a single battery installed, the motor did turn over. Just not all that fast. After some finagling it popped a few times, like wanting to fire up. I primed it with some kerosene and after a few more attempts it did finally start. At this time I decided to go ahead and fix whatever it needed to get road worthy.

The engine is a 6.9 International with a C6 transmission. The bolt pattern is similar to a 355 series 460 engine, but not exactly the same. So no direct interchange with gas engine donors. I would be stuck with rebuilding the original transmission from those slightly rusted parts in bed of truck.

The valve body is unique to diesel engines, so I was not going to risk swapping around too many things without knowing for sure what they are for. It would suck to find out all that work was not going to work because of swapping out certain parts.

After a complete inventory of the already disassembled transmission, I found all of the friction disks were shot and basically just worn out. Really looked like the fluid overheated and nuked the transmission. Nothing uncommon after pulling a fifth wheel trailer for any length of time.

The truck showed 89k miles. But I have no idea how many times it read that same thing before turning over 100k and starting all over again. I will make a solid assumption it has turned over at least once, more likely twice. For the age of truck, the overall wear was not so bad that could even be original. But highly unlikely.

Upon delving into the realm of transmissionloogy, I took my time and researched what was out there. So making few mistakes as possible rebuilding this thing. The torque converter was almost new. The fluid was not so bad that is would be risky reusing this. It is not a locking converter so not much to wear out.

It was surprisingly easy to rebuild this transmission. Unfortunately there were several components that needed to be replaced. Clutch baskets, planetary gears, and one of the shafts to cover a few of the things I saw were obvious.

I ended up tearing apart three other transmissions to round up enough solid pieces to put this one back together. Seems those same parts are commonly replaced after so many miles. This C6 transmission is basically the same design used for the newer overdrive transmission, the E4OD. They added electronics, overdrive, and locking converter. Then you have a four speed transmission.

The E4OD is comprised of over 750 parts. I dread having to rebuild one of those in the future. It would be cool to have an overdrive in this old truck. But that would require some expensive electronics I may not be so interested having to wire in. Since every thing else on this truck is mechanical. I believe Baumann makes a conversion for the E4OD, but a lot of cost to make happen. For now I will stick to old school basics.

After the engine fired up and debugged, then waiting for parts to rebuild the transmission, I went checking over the whole truck for other potential problems that might plague this project soon as it would get back almost roadworthy.

Surprisingly there was no transmission cooler. It was tied into the radiator, but should have an external one also. This might be one reason for it to have failed. Or at least smell like it did. After some junk yard runs, I did find the largest original tranny cooler that was used on this generation of older model trucks. It was one from the mid 90's. I had to trim the back of the grill inserts to get this one to fit. It was basically a bolt in since the core supports were nearly identical for all of the years this body style was in production. Even the holes were pre-punched for the self threading screws.

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I relied heavily on Rock Auto for the parts. These rear axle seals are about $40 at parts houses. I got them for $0.99 a piece. I even bought two different brands just to make sure they were not junk. The rubber fits tightly over the axle housing. Then is basically full floating in the outer steel jacket.

I ended up rebuilding the whole brake system. Someone had attempted to replace the rear shoes and installed them backwards on one side. The emergency brake cables were kinked and froze up. There was also a load leveler controlling the rear brakes. It was dead. So I bypassed that thing bending a new steel line to fit in place.

New wheel cylinders, spring kits, axle seals, and cables. These drums are unbelievably heavy. It was hard enough just to lift them on the brake lathe and machine back round. Wheel cylinders were $3.99 each and all in one spring kits were less than $5.

Even the riveted pre-arced shoes were new and cheap enough at about $10. Brand new master Cylinder was a Wagner and $14.00. Emergency brake cables were $4 for each side. Overall I was pleased with the cost of repair parts at that time.

Someone had also bypassed the mechanical lift fuel pump that mounts to engine that feeds the injector pump. To do this an inline electric Holley pump was installed and horribly improvised attempt at wired in. The fuel lines were cut and 3/8" rubber hose was run from only the saddle tank up to the large filter on top of engine.

Fortunately I had left over parts from another truck a year newer. It was still carbureted but had the high pressure EFI lines same as equipped on this old model diesel. Easy enough to swap them out. I did have to splice a section in one spot that had been cut out. Except for the flared brass fitting, it is now back like originally made.

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These trucks use a pickup screen unique to diesel engines that looks like a big suction cup. It lays down flat on bottom of tank. After so many years, these tend to disintegrate. This leaves you with about 1/3 tank of fuel that cant be picked up by the pump. Without knowing what is going on here, could leave you stranded and no way to do a fix on the road.

Topping off the tank then everything is good until you get down to the 1/3 level, and big problemo again. Then you have to make sure both tanks are always kept full of suffer the inconvenience of being stranded way too often.

From the wiring, fuel lines, transmission lines, u-joints, rear brakes, front brakes, master cylinder, A/C compressor, and vacuum valve for transmission, I had a fun time refixing all of the things the dumoss did to bypass every thing that had problems instead of actually repairing them.

It seems common practice just to cut the steel transmission lines. Too much trouble to unscrew. Then clamp a piece of hose back in to splice together. I hate that. So ended up piecing a pattern line together from the scraps and bent new ones that screwed in at transmission running up to cooler and back.

It was no surprise, I had to remove the transmission after the first attempt. The governor has a tendency of getting stuck. If not familiar with transmissions, you would think the rebuild was not properly done. I didnt know any different at the time, so out came the transmission.

All I needed to do was pull the tail housing and remove the governor. But instead I disassembled the transmission piece by piece and made sure it been assembled properly the first time. I have a much better working knowledge of this transmission and others in my corral now.

I also have a decent understanding of what is going on inside these transmissions. A lot different than just removing and replacing all of the wearing parts and hoping for the best. Now the transmission shifts solid and has been trouble free since the rebuild.

Diesel engines do not produce any vacuum. Some older transmissions rely on engine vacuum for shifting. So what do you do? There is a vacuum pump for the truck accessories, like heat and A/C vents. But nothing to simulate engine vacuum to control shift points of transmission.

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This is a vacuum regulator valve. It is adjustable, but not rebuildable. The last time I checked, these were not available anymore. This one I had was broken. So after careful disassembly of something that is glued together and not made to come apart, I discovered how this little needle valve regulated the vacuum depending on how much the injector pump was opened.

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After the minor repair it is installed on the injector pump. You open the injector pump a specified distance then adjust the vacuum to a set amount. Walla, instant fake engine vacuum readings so the transmission knows when to shift.

There was a guy in California HERE that spent a lot of time attempting to duplicate these with 3D printing. As of 2018 he was heavily involved in making a batch of these to sell. On his website, he gives detailed information in every step along the way to a working replacement.

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About one month later I was happy to get this truck running and become my preferred vehicle to drive. Well occasionally or when needing to haul things on the trailer. Hopefully this week it will be back on the road again and hauling the goods one more time.

After the current administration took control of the country, diesel fuel prices skyrocketed. At that time I parked this truck. For the last three years, it has just been sitting at the shop. Tonight, after some cleanup on one negative battery cable and a little prime of kerosene the truck fired right back up.

Initially the truck hit right off. Then nothing. This is typical for sitting up too long. Just a little bit of air in the lines, then she aint gonna to start. After the tablespoon of kerosene poured in the soup bowl air cleaner, it took right at 30 seconds of cranking before the truck fired up. The idle was rolling up and down for about ten seconds, then settled down smooth.

I took the truck around the block and glad to find out the converted over to 134A A/C was still blowing cold. It is way overdue for 1/2 can to top off the very slow two year leak. I can deal with that.

The first set of batteries I bought were from Home Depot. They had more recently at the time started carrying Exide batteries. I gave them a try and went to two stores before finding a pair of them manufactured within the last month. There were plenty that had been on the shelf for over 6 months. I was not interested in ones waiting on the shelf that long.

Even with a three year free replacement warranty, I didnt want to deal with the headache. I hate having a pair of batteries that are not matched. They work best if bought new and replaced in pairs. None of the local Home Depots had two of these in stock. Originally I managed to get nine years out of the first set. This time I could not find a pair together. That meant I was stuck with whatever was available. So no new Exide batteries the second time around.

In years past Interstate had proven itself to be a solid battery. But the original company no longer makes them. They are subbed out and sold under the name. Exide actually is part owner of the company that makes them now. I do hope these will be as good as the first set. Time will tell.

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Home depot is selling the Exide batteries for 129.99. Costco selling Interstate for 123.99. Otherwise there was nothing different from the two I could tell sitting side by side. In three years, I will find out if there is anything at all different between them.

With core charges, taxes, disposal fees, it didnt take much to get over $300 just to replace two batteries. I will at least get the $30 back when returning the cores. I was out the door for barely over $200 for the last pair. They more than paid for themselves after the nine years in service.
 
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Nice bullnose ya got there. My first truck 84 f 350 6.9ldiesel auto 4x4 pickup two tone blue white My favorite years 80-86 very few left. You really know a lot about what you’re doing Those diesels fairly simple and fairly slow but reliable. Good clean oil and fuel filters. And good glowplugs which even when new need to be tested Strong battery’s are imperative it winter I can offer you a few tips from my experience. If it’s a factory starter change it for a nippendenso starter. Trust me you will love it. I found this accidentally and changed out all my one tons to nippendenso have 4 only one is turbo others are idis. It turns over much faster starting much easier. I’m still deep into 92 rebuild and have been busy at work so it’s been on back burner. I needed fuel lines they were pitted and has dual tanks so like all 6 to replace I accidentally found lines to go on the internet what an awesome company got all 6 fuel lines both tranny cooler lines. And all brake lines ( except flex hoses and two on master cyl ) in STAINLESS STEEL for $680 free ship called 9am was here 12 noon next day all prebent and all correct. What a awesome company. And yes those years didn’t have a additional trans cooler unless it had camper/ tow package and you are totally on your Game to add truck I’m rebuilding now had a smaller one in front of radiator I went much larger during rebuild. I was able to also get 300 psi 5/16” fuel line for flex sections and mini stainless clamps ( I do tend to over tighten things ). Another massive upgrade is a aluminum radiator WOW its a huge difference and runs way way cooler. Kinda just like the trans. Oh and do urself the favor of led headlights nice work ur doing 😎
 

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And good glowplugs which even when new need to be tested Strong battery’s are imperative it winter I can offer you a few tips from my experience. If it’s a factory starter change it for a nippendenso starter. Trust me you will love it. I found this accidentally and changed out all my one tons to nippendenso have 4 only one is turbo others are idis. It turns over much faster starting much easier. Oh and do urself the favor of led headlights nice work ur doing 😎
That was one of the first things I changed out after fighting too much amp draw. Not enough rpm to get the engine to fire right up. I ended up replacing the main positive cable tying both batteries together. Then fudged on the negatives until I could fabricate some new ones out of welding cable.

It was not until much later did I realize the main problem was the right side negative battery cable. Under any load I didnt have much connection. Cable was solid and didnt show any signs of corrosion. But the cable end was all corroded inside. I cut it off and used an electrical lug for 2/0 wire size. For now it is working. But dont like to short cut like this in too many places.

I did check on LED headlights. For now I will stick to the Sylvania incandescent at $8.83 a piece. The LED I looked at were name brand but about $125 for the pair. Dont need them that bad right now. For anything not urgent is going to get passed over. I am still keeping focused on finishing out the cabin and working towards pouring the foundation to the shop in the very near future.
 
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Why is everyone using the word cheep when talking about such a critical component?

My play, ah, SHTF vehicle is my V8 FJ40, 4 inch lift, 8k warn winch....... an Optima jell cell, 950 cc, I believe. I don't remember because it's over 10 years old. Very expensive, and very lightweight.
Going to get an isolator and add a 2nd (dedicated to the winch). I've always wanted to do that, now I have the means.
 
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I can explain. I own a fleet of trucks chippers tractors etc etc. I have about 40 heavy diesel batteries I was interstate only regardless of cost and always served me well until last few years when they stopped with the good warranty and it went to hell. Because at the same time The quality went to sheet. Currently use die hard from lps and for the $ have had decent results winters hard and cold atop a mountain and a lot sits until ya need it So if I were u and had a nice jeep I’d do the exact same gel setup but they don’t even make gels that will run in series for heavy trucks and if they do I’d pay over twice. Unfortunately I’ve found most batteries to be junk