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Reasons for the changes that have occurred in the United States of America

Fifty years ago as a teenager is probably the first time in my life I became aware of the electoral process. Even during those early years, I didn’t care that much about a bunch of old guys promising the moon to anyone and everyone, who would listen to them in return for their vote? Of course on that day and time, I was more aware of the fun that was in store for me and my friends either on Friday or Saturday night, and that held the most importance for me.

As age progresses, and in only a few more years after my teens ended I was suddenly old enough to vote and I begin to see changes being instituted into the mainstream of the daily lives of all of us. Living became more complex during my years in college. It was tough to find a job during that period, it was a time of lean economical status and living. Few of us were still understanding or aware of what was happening to who we are, what we stood for as a nation, and for the principals that formed the glue which held America together in one cohesive structure. The changes however, continued insidiously and unchecked. I was still unimpressed or barely aware of the promises of the politicians, and I still looked forward to Friday and Saturday night.

Time progressed and after college I found myself in the military. It was a job after all; I was earning a little money, and the service provided for just about everything I required; Medical, food, a place to live, an actual job, and the clothes I wore. It wasn’t bad, but it was restricting in many ways. The politicians kept running for office, their promises resounded over the airways in one form or the other, the periodicals of the time made much to do about what those individuals had to say. I still looked forward to Friday and Saturday because life was much more interesting on the weekends, unless I had the duty. So, again I wasn’t too interested in what those people running for office had to say. One day I was readying myself to go off to war in the name of freedom, and in the betterment of the causes my country demanded. I still didn’t pay attention to what was being said or to the promises being made.

I was like a lot of young men of that era; we grew up watching John Wayne, and Tyrone Powers and so many more of those make believe heroes at the movies, fighting America’s enemies. I was proud to be doing my duty for my country. My father and most of the male members of my family went off to war in the late thirties and early forties, and now it was my turn in the early sixties. I found myself in a foreign country dodging bullets, nasty and potentially deadly little hidden traps and I wondered about what I had gotten myself in to. I saw friends being killed and their bodies being ripped apart, and I was being exposed to policies made by those people who ran for those offices that I never paid that much attention to previously, and suddenly, it made me much more aware than at any other time in my life, of the importance of those words those people were spouting to me, and to my fellow Americans. I suppose after all, it takes certain events to get one’s attention.

Being a reasonably intelligent person I began to do a little research into the politics that drove my country into war, recessions, and growth of the nation, through themes such as communism, the Civil Rights movement, the drug culture, and the era of the citizens of my own country that spawned not only peace, but the environmental generation as well. Of course as one studies those topics, much more comes to light, but after so many years having passed it has become abundantly clear to me for the answers to certain questions that were not obvious at the time.

• First, I found enormous evidence there was a plot to break the back of America by any means available. It began during the very beginning years of the twentieth century by followers of Karl Marx. Those followers infiltrated all labor groups and began to unionize them, to reduce, and then make every effort to do away with policies, ensuring control over the working man and woman.

• Unions successfully lowered the work week in hours worked, they were able to get children out of the workforce, and they made it possible for Americans to earn more money for their labors.

• These were good issues, and Americans thrived under these new gained freedoms. However, when the American worker no longer needed the machinations of the Unions, it wasn’t to be. The Unions gained strength, and power, and when their usefulness was no longer needed, they grew stronger yet. They became corrupt, and their agenda was no longer to help the working man and woman, it became a tool to chip away at freedoms American enjoyed.

• They used freedom of speech, the right to assembly, unreasonable search and seizure, taking the fifth amendment instead of speaking to authorities which might get them convicted of a crime, and the ninth which states “The list of rights in the Bill of Rights aren’t the only rights an individual has.” There are other rights Americans enjoy, which were twisted, and used against the very people that were supposed to be protected by the authorities, and or the government, by those specific rights. This manipulation of the rights of Americans against them has continued to this day, and has extended to giving rights that are for Americans, to be used against Americans, by enemies of America.

As I read and researched, I became aware of the Congress’ propensity to vote for, and institute laws that are contrary to the Constitution. Laws that go contrary to what the founding fathers wanted and demanded. The Bill of Rights was drawn up and added to the original Constitution because there were many members opposed to the original Constitution until the Bill of Rights was added to and which made it a part of the Constitution.

• Initially, the US Senators were chosen by the State Legislators not by popular vote of the population.

• Only the Congress has the authority to make law. Not the President and not the courts.

• Only an inhabitant of the state of which he/she has been chosen shall be elected to the House or Senate.

• Originally the President and the Vice-President were elected by the people of the country. The ballots were submitted to the House and “certified” by the seat of the government of the United States directed to the President of the Senate. This was changed in 1804 to make a body of electors.

• No one has the authority to make treaties with any nation except the Congress.

Of course there are many more reasons and incidents that could be cited to make the point, “much has changed in the way Americans react and work within the system” but I want to continue to direct my comments about the social changes that have occurred, and to show the “enemies” within.

1. The main reason why changes to the “Law of the Land” have been allowed to happen was the mind set of so many people who began to grow up in the US during the late thirties, forties and later, into the fifties. The communist that gained a toehold in the American society, were mainly effete, mid to upper middle class people who were involved in the arts, medicine and law. They became a large intellectual group in the film industry, some were writers, others were actors, and many more were executives. A large percentage of these people were deeply involved in journalism, while others entered the education system in force and in great numbers. While they plied their trades they met in secret and at social gatherings and they steadily spouted the party line of equality for the masses.

2. Equality it seems went beyond mere equality for the sake of everyone being equal. What it really meant in effect was the masses could be equal but led by a handful of the elite. Talk was about the equalization of rights for women and minorities. That was a mere come on, the bait so to speak.

Now there are few who would deny those with less of an opportunity to have more; more access to the better jobs, better education, better pay, better status and to have equal access to all that America represents in terms of opportunity, but it was presented to those who wanted it, but didn’t have the drive or the stick-to-it-ness it requires to reach those lofty ideals. It was better to tell the masses to take it by force, to grab it with both hands and give nothing in return except the desire, because that was what they wanted. So, initially, as they spread their Marxist ideas to those they perceived in a position to make the huge wheels start moving, something happened in the interim which brought some Americans to their senses about the propaganda that was being discussed and offered as America’s salvation, it was the beginning of World War Two.

America fought in the Pacific, South East Asia, Europe and they fought it in their homes through what was presented to them in piecemeal fashion as they listened to their radios, and heard about the progress of the war. Stalin, in his zeal to forego attacks to his country, signed a peace treaty with the NAZI’s and the rest of the world was shocked into numbness, as were the Polish people when they were attacked out of the blue for no reason.

Hitler was ambitious and was spurred on by his belief, he could do no wrong. In his megalomaniac zeal to conquer the world, and set up his thousand year Reich, he did what he wanted to do, and that was to invade the Russians. The Russians came to the US with their hats in their hands, begging for money, bombs, bullets, food, medicine and war machinery. The Russian sympathizers stood in the shadows in America, and spread a vicious stream of lies laced with enough truth to make it palatable to influential Americans, to engender sympathy for the cause of equality for all. There it sat brewing in whispers in the many groups of socialists/Marxists and it took on the ring of truth after awhile. This sinister involvement spread into the secret circles of the scientists developing the atomic bomb, and the tentacles of communism spread outward until it reached people, who were the same ilk of those who encouraged, and later evoked the teachings of Karl Marx and formed the unions.

By this time more than forty years had passed from the initial introductions of Marxist drivel that allowed a couple of generations to be born, raised to adulthood and to enter the universities where their poison soaked into the young intellectual minds. Many of the professors were closet communists and they taught their poisoned ideology to the upcoming batch of youngsters who in turn, went into the areas of law, medicine, teaching, the arts and journalism. The whole time enjoying the best of what America had to offer people who reached for the top and some even got there.

Then, something very bad happened. The Russians got the bomb. They stole it from the US in payment of all the help the US did for them while Hitler was hammering away at their citizenry. In addition, they stuck there middle finger up in the air when we asked them when they were going to start making restitution for the billions of taxpayer dollars they were loaned. To add to the gall, they asked us for food. Numerous times when their own crops failed due to such a short growing season they have, near the Arctic Circle, and we gave it to them. America discovered who some of the perpetrators were and fried a couple of them in the electric chair, but a huge number of agents provocateurs got away unscathed.

Joseph McCarthy warned America about the communist that had ensconced themselves in every trade, business, occupation, business, and profession in the country. In particular, to emphasize, they were deeply embedded in the law, politics, the entertainment industry, magazines, newspapers, journalism of all kinds, medicine, and the school systems. He had a go at the communist for awhile until he reached out and touched a few people who were too powerful, who had powerful friends, they began to cry about how unfair this all was, it caught on and then it stopped. In the interim, Korea heated up, and people forgot about the communist for awhile.

Korea was another undeclared war that maimed and killed thousands of Americans. When it was over, it ended right where it started, on the 38th Parallel. However, Korea was a different kind of war. America didn’t welcome the servicemen home with open arms and accolades of kindness. It gave them the “cold shoulder” as they returned home from a hot shooting war that came close once again of swallowing America up in the dogma of how unfair it was for America to attack a country, any country for any reason. Most of this trains of thought once again was pushed by the communist, sympathizers in America and elsewhere. The America public swallowed it, which is amazing in itself.

Then in 1959 Vietnam was beginning to come into the headlines. At first it was a war by the French who wanted their plantations back shortly after World War Two ended. It was called Indo-China at the time. The Vietnamese had other ideas, and after the defeat of the French in the Valley of Death, France asked the US for help. In typical French fashion, as American troops began moving in to Vietnam, the French troops moved out. During this time the American President John Fitzgerald Kennedy was murdered by his own countrymen in a coupé. Many people today don’t remember why he was killed because of the Liberal controlled press, and the distortion of facts as usual.

Kennedy was killed because, when he became President, there was a plan on the table to invade Cuba, and take back the numerous American holdings that were seized by a communist psychopath and his pals. The assets of hotels, gambling casinos, plantations and so many more business' was valued at more than several billion dollars at the time. People who lost their property and businesses were ****ed about it, and wanted it all back. Thus the Bay of Pigs invasion went forward. The invasion failed because it was poorly planned, organized and the support from the air and sea was restricted. It was a dismal failure by any military standards. Kennedy’s advisers threw their hands up in the air and the President took the heat and the blame for the failed operation. It embarrassed the new President who made a vow to disband the CIA at his earliest convenience. The CIA shakers and movers made their own plans, and the rest is history.

Remember this; the CIA, the NSA and all the rest of those government agencies are all civil service, they are well paid and their retirement benefits are extraordinarily good. The last thing they want to hear is, their jobs will be coming to an end and without any benefits to boot. Also, it is important to keep in mind that many of the field agents are trained killers. That’s what they do among other things. They kill our enemies in the name of the US government. What’s one more killing to save ones personal Golden Parachute? No big deal, and time will heal all things.

Johnson maintained Kennedy’s plans out of some sort of personal responsibility, and the war in Vietnam went on for ten long years. Over fifty eight thousand men and women of the US Armed Services were laid in their graves. Hundreds of thousands were mutilated, and millions of Vietnamese civilian and North Vietnamese regulars were killed and or mutilated as well. When the clamor and riots became so unbearable to heartland America, when the communist/Marxist lies were told repeatedly from every college campus newspaper, and in the classrooms all over America, and finally, the lowest blow of all was levied, Walter Cronkite told America we were losing the war in Vietnam. Not many people knew it at the time old Walt was a “New World” advocate, and was told to say what he did. He was so respected, the night he uttered those words, people believed he was right, and the opinion of America turned against not only the troops in Vietnam, but a deep mistrust began to grow against the government of the United States. It continues to this day.

Nixon was forced out of office and he was pushed out not for anything he did that was unusual, because it is documented all Presidents have done pretty much the same types of nefarious undertakings as what he did. Most of us will never know the extent the men in the White House have gone to over the years. If we are so naive as to believe the rest of them were squeaky clean and had only America’s best interest at heart, we will ultimately deserve what we get. One of the worst decisions made by a sitting President was the day Roosevelt had American born Japanese men and women rounded up an put in prison because they were simply Japanese.

Lyndon Johnson was a school teacher who loved Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his big plans and socialist ideas for America. He wanted to parlay his own “New Deal” on America. He was a racist and yet hypocritical enough and saw fit to embrace the Civil Rights Bill that he signed. He was more of a womanizer than was his predecessor John Kennedy. He was just a little more careful to hide his nefarious affairs from the public. If someone ultimately writes a book about him they will see that he was as corrupt as the most corrupt of them. He made deals and he destroyed many lives. He died screaming, seeing ghosts every time he tried to close his eyes. A just reward for a man who didn’t believe anyone else on the planet was more deserving than he was. He took an airplane ride over a part of Africa during World War Two and had himself awarded a Silver Star, and wore it on his lapel proudly all of the rest of his life.

He made the decision to escalate the war in Vietnam when a non- existent attack occurred to one of America’s warships in the Tonkin Gulf. It was all about money, feathering the nest of the fat cats in industry and the industrial complexes in the United States. Lots of money was passed around over the Vietnam war. May LBJ rot in Hell for his part in it all.

There are others of course, but the three worst Presidents that were shoved down the throats of America were Carter, a limp wrist elitist who allowed Iran to get to where it is today. Who ran the interest rates up to over 25 percentage points, and caused gas lines to extend for miles in any direction near most gas stations. Today he roams the world as an envoy representing the United States and he is allowed to meddle in every affair the US is involved in. He caused the United States to be permanently embarrassed and to lose face when he allowed the people at our US Embassy to be captured and held as captives for more than four hundred days in Iran. An act of war that was never acted on and should have been. In fact, the Iranians should have been nuked, but nothing was done. Thanks carter for that one. His Passport should be revoked forthwith.

Then there was the other Marxist Bill Clinton. A man who also never had a real job, a war protestor, an avowed Marxist, a man who hated the US and who went to Moscow courtesy of the KGB. He was wined and dined and given luxurious accommodations while he was in Russia, and all for free or was it? All this, for a college student? Was there another ulterior motive for this exceptional and favored treatment? Let’s look at what happened.

Bill was elected as Governor of Arkansas and was allegedly involved with the drug dealings that went on at Mena, Arkansas. There are over forty deaths, most of which are under mysterious circumstances from that period of time attributed directly to people the Clintons knew. That family is a home grown mafia.

The scandals that surround the Clintons are too numerous to cite and yet he was impeached, not for his treasonous acts against the US, but for lying about a dalliance with a bimbo who put new meaning in D.C. Disappearing Cigar. A lawyer, a Marxist, a sleazy politician who sold secrets to the Chinese, rented out the Lincoln bedroom for a hundred thousand a night, and who went on to make in excess of a hundred million dollars since he left office. You be the judge, it’s your country.

The latest President is just about the icing on the cake in the sinking of the American ship. He never had a job off a government payroll. We aren’t a hundred percent sure he really was born in the US and isn’t really a Muslim. We have seen pictures of his African relatives but few of his white relatives. A man who went to two of the most prestigious and expensive schools in the world and won’t allow any information about himself, his schools, and an actual long form Birth certificate to be released to the public.

He was granted as an Indonesian student, to take grant money from the US, to go to school in the US. He was surrounded by SEIU union members and a crooked Group called Acorn, whose actions to thwart all laws, has come to light, and has been on the Federal dole for years to the tune of millions of dollars annually. He was a Community Organizer and did what? I have yet to see what the job description of a Community Organizer is.

Our country has been allowed to be taken over by hustlers, crooks, con-men and women, by enemies of the US and what the concept of Capitalism and freedom is all about. The rights of every American have been compromised when laws were changed in absolute violations and contrary to what the Constitution says, or how it protects us, insidiously by those enemies of you and I. Enemies of freedom. Marxist, Socialists, Communist, Fabians, Fascists, and a whole host of other monikers these people adopt for themselves, they are simply enemies. The sooner we understand they are your enemies, the sooner we can take steps to protect ourselves and the sooner we can start defending our loved one, ourselves, our freedoms and most of all our country from their attacks.

The US needs to purge itself of this cancer that has been allowed to grow in our society and our country for a very long time. It has grown because people have been intimidated by their tactics and by their well organized and funded organizations. Organizations such as the ACLU, the Black Caucus, both the Republican and Democratic parties, The American Communist Party, CAIR and the list goes on and on without a satisfactory end. These organizations are put in place to do one thing, that is to cripple America. Some of them like Acorn receive tax money from you the tax payers. Their stated goal is to bring America down to its knees, to bow its neck over the chopping block to await the headsman’s axe. The sad thing about it is, we are not only paying for it, many of us are condoning it by our in-actions and we embrace much of it because as a compassionate people, we believe in fair play. They preach fair play and equality, but what they are doing is using our own Bill of Rights and Constitution against the average American and they are succeeding.

Today the strong arm of the US Government is the Internal Revenue Service. The IRS is America's Gestapo. They have their own courts, lawyers, Judges and their own interpretation of the law. There are some who will tell you the IRS and its laws are illegal, but try proving that in a courtroom full of IRS people. Not many can win against them. The IRS itself doesn’t understand or knows to what extent their laws apply to the individual or the mountain of small businesses that come under it, but they will come down on you and you are guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. They have their own rules and laws that apply to you and I.

• Did you know that if you leave the US and decide to live in Europe or elsewhere you will constantly have to file IRS tax statements? If you don’t it is a felony. Did you also know

• that the US is the only country in the world that has a tax structure that constantly monitors its citizens, where they live, how much money they have or they spend, how they spend it, and where they spend it?

• The IRS can levy tax liens against you as a citizens and against anything you own if it has any value at all, and at any time?

• They can also seize anything you have, put a tax lien against your Social Security check, and eventually put you in prison after leveling interest rates on you that in any other domains would be considered usury?

They do it and they get away with it every single day. One of the reasons the founding United States went to war against the most powerful government in the world was because of unjust taxation. Yet, in the land of the free and the home of the brave, you are taxed into submission and are getting very little in return as an out of control government harasses, and punishes its citizens for unjust taxes and an unjust system. If you don’t play ball with them under their rules they will break you financially and maybe put you in prison. In the meantime you will lose everything you have, and I do mean everything, your home, car, money, possessions.

Presidents love the IRS. They can cause to be audited, their enemies simply by placing a phone call. They can cause any manner of grief to people who say things about them, who disagree with them, who oppose them, and who philosophically are in contrary opinions of what a President has said or stands for. It is a powerful weapon and it is used on a regular basis. Nixon was one of the most tyrannical of the usurpers of this power.

Today we stand on a threshold between slavery under the guise of a helping hand from the government and total servitude. If you toe the line you can earn a whopping $3,900 a month in benefits and pay and do nothing for it except to have another baby. We have people who are perpetually on welfare and they scoff at those who work and are paying for those benefits.
We have a President that was vetted by a crazy woman who was Speaker of the House.

Who by all evidence that has surfaced so far, was never born in the US. He was born in Africa. He was a foreign student that was given grants to attend college in our country and he hates us. He is also a Muslim and has nothing but disdain for Christians and Americans. He is salting our government with Muslims in high places to purposefully ruin the United States. He is siding with our avowed enemies and he scoffs at our laws and our Constitution. He is arming our enemies with tax payers money without our express permission to do so.

Those who elected this man are soon to reap what they have sown. Once the light of Liberty goes out in America, where do Americans go? The light of Liberty that shined from our shores was seen all over the world. It penetrated the blackness of slavery and intolerance, it showed people a way out of terrible repression, it beckoned anyone who would come to our shores to live under freedom, is all but a burned out flicker. If we are to remain a free people, we must rut out those who would kill freedom and those ideals that generations of Americans have protected and died for. If we don't make a stand, we as a people and as a nation are doomed to becoming another communist satellite state.

Semper Fi
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you know you live in a crazy world led by liberal spin when the wife of a former President who the House of Reps voted to Impeach ( only happened to one other President Andy Jackson) and in her stint as sec of state she gives stand down orders to save an Ambassador and the Ambassador gets killed( last time was 79)
and she resigns over the Ambassador death

and then she gets her parties nomination for President

you know the poles have reversed and brains are a fryin by cosmic rays for anyone to even think a person so divisive hatful and polarizing

would even have anyone speak to her. In decades past she would be shunned

In a Constitutional America Hillary would be shunned
Obama would be impeached
Holder would be in Prison
The Border would be closed
Isis wouldn't exist
National debt would be near non existant

Its a crazy world led by Liberal spin
 

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A friend was saying the other day.

"I'm a free man, living in a free country. I own my own land, and I own the trailer that sits on it. No ones gonna tell me what to do!"

I asked him how much property taxes he pays each year on 120 acres? How much was the tax sticker on his trailer? etc. He doesn't own the mineral rights to his land either, a coal company does.

Sure, it's a free type country, but you pay for that freedom.
 

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A friend was saying the other day.

"I'm a free man, living in a free country. I own my own land, and I own the trailer that sits on it. No ones gonna tell me what to do!"

I asked him how much property taxes he pays each year on 120 acres? How much was the tax sticker on his trailer? etc. He doesn't own the mineral rights to his land either, a coal company does.

Sure, it's a free type country, but you pay for that freedom.
i suspect the sort of freedom you are advocating is what most people would call anarchy.

i prefer the sort of freedom that comes with a local fire department and a EPA that will go after the guy across the street who pours used motor oil into the ground contaminating everyone's drinking water.
 

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Roberto Rodriguez,
America was once a functioning Republic. For those of you who don't understand what the difference is between a Republic and a Democracy here it is in simple terms:

A Democracy is "Rule by the majority". It works some of the time unless the majority wants to take your money, your children, your house or your freedom. In some cases, your very life. In a Democracy several people rob a bank. A hundred citizens chase after them and catch them. 98 of the Citizens want to string them up. Two abstain. So the robbers are lynched on the spot. In a Republic, which means By The Rule Of The Law, the police show up and say to the crowd, "No you cannot lynch these people, they have the right to a fair trial. So they are taken to jail where they are held until their trial can begin.

Witnesses are brought forward, which is heard by a judge and a jury. Once all of the evidence is heard, the jury determines the robbers fate. If it is mistaken identity, the mob caught the wrong people for instance and if it has proven that's the case, the accused are let go. If they are proven to be the bad guys, then the jury and the judge will render their fate. All of the jurors have to agree to the decision they make not the majority.

Anarchy is no government, no rules, it is A state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from a failure of government).

The Roman initially developed a Republican government wherein the government left the people alone and the people under the rule of laws were able to travel about freely and to engage in commerce. They were allowed to keep the profits of what they earned. Little by little, politicians found they could through devious means, take away the land from one person and give it to another. Agriculture supplements were instilled and an entitlement program developed. Taxes were instituted and soon the greatest producers in Rome could no longer stay in business, so they quit working and went on the dole. The people roamed the streets demanding "Bread and Circuses". Eventually the Romans fell into a Dictatorship form of government.

That form of government is called an Oligarchy. It appears at times one person is the leader but always the leader in an Oligarchy has many advisers behind the scene telling him/her what to do next. Most governments are Oligarchy's.

The Republic means less government where the people are left alone, the government sees to it a foreign country does not attack its citizens and deals with criminals so the average person can go about their business unencumbered and in relative safety. Taxes are extremely low for the necessity of running the Republic while the government remains small.

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i suspect the sort of freedom you are advocating is what most people would call anarchy.

i prefer the sort of freedom that comes with a local fire department and a EPA that will go after the guy across the street who pours used motor oil into the ground contaminating everyone's drinking water.
It doesn't take Govt. to create a 'local' fire dept. It also doesn't take the EPA to go after companies contaminating drinking water.

People assume that if govt. does not do it, then there is no value, need for the service and it will not be provided. That is obviously not true.

Our founders overthrew their govt. and they were not Anarchists. Besides, do you think Anarchy would be worse than the Statists/Collectivists (Communists, Fascists, Marxists, Socialists, Imperialists (pick your poison because they all apply) currently running this authoritarian country. We are not living in a ROL Constitutional Republic.

Now, instead of single men committing crimes against the citizenry, we have 'groups' of men with guns running around committing crimes against the nation through 'the law' which has been perverted.

“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”

― Ayn Rand
 

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A friend was saying the other day.

"I'm a free man, living in a free country. I own my own land, and I own the trailer that sits on it. No ones gonna tell me what to do!"

I asked him how much property taxes he pays each year on 120 acres? How much was the tax sticker on his trailer? etc. He doesn't own the mineral rights to his land either, a coal company does.

Sure, it's a free type country, but you pay for that freedom.
He also does not own his land. He get's to 'occupy' that land as long as he does exactly as his masters allow him to do and up until they (his masters) decide they have another use for his land. Then they take it.

Property ownership is a myth.
 

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you know you live in a crazy world led by liberal spin when the wife of a former President who the House of Reps voted to Impeach ( only happened to one other President Andy Jackson) and in her stint as sec of state she gives stand down orders to save an Ambassador and the Ambassador gets killed( last time was 79)
and she resigns over the Ambassador death

and then she gets her parties nomination for President

you know the poles have reversed and brains are a fryin by cosmic rays for anyone to even think a person so divisive hatful and polarizing

would even have anyone speak to her. In decades past she would be shunned

In a Constitutional America Hillary would be shunned
Obama would be impeached
Holder would be in Prison
The Border would be closed
Isis wouldn't exist
National debt would be near non existant

Its a crazy world led by Liberal spin
Agree with you 110% Baddogg, but the spin is often put on the Constitution to use it against the people. How many times do you see, "so they don't have the same rights?" I feel the problem is there is a BIG lack of commonsense in this nation. Many feel they are street lawyers, and have some in-depth feeling they know better than the majority what the founders meant in the Constitution.
 

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He also does not own his land. He get's to 'occupy' that land as long as he does exactly as his masters allow him to do and up until they (his masters) decide they have another use for his land. Then they take it.

Property ownership is a myth.
Because a wasteful government must fund itself someway. Under that pretense you own nothing - not even your life. When you purchase something you pay tax, when you die your life is taxed. Your existence is a money making one for the 60 to 80 years or so you are here.
 

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Ha, ha, ha. LMAO. Your thread got hit by the 1* troll already Caseyboy. Lol. That's means it's 5***** thread and they're trying to discredit it. :D:

Soooo, I gave it the 5*****'s it deserves. :thumb:

As for the country, she's lost. The people are so dumbed down, most don't have a clue about history, philosophy, or human behavior. It's really sad. Plus, most everyone is now involved in looting the public trough in one fashion or another and also so busy trying to get their slice of the plunder, they don't even bother to educate themselves on the condition of the country. They just believe what the latest talking head is stating. :(

Just look at the blacks who voted for Obama solely based on his color. Women will vote for Hillary based solely on her gender. These 'mush brains' haven't a clue that America is even in decline.

Or, you want to see something really pathetic? Bill Clinton, a serial sexual predator, perjurer, impeached president, is the Democrats hero! LMAO. Yet the feminists line up and drool over him.... A SERIAL SEXUAL PREDATOR!!!! They're SO stupid, they don't even know what hypocrites they are!!!! Yet Sarah Palin, a true American hero, stellar mother and career woman is sneered at.

Feeble mindedness extraordinaire.

Gotta laugh to keep from crying. It's friggin' embarrassing.

No doubt about it the country is Communist and heading for all the ugliness that comes from Totalitarian regimes.
 

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When we tell the truth at times it hurts somewhere along the line as it is being received. Particularly, when you have an idea about certain things and suddenly you wake up and see that what you thought was correct, isn't anymore. That realization has a bone crusher attached to it. We never see ourselves the way others see us. That's unfortunate. It's much like when you hear your recoded voice and you are amazed at how it sounds because to you, it sounds different. However, to others it's the same.

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Our founders overthrew their govt. and they were not Anarchists. Besides, do you think Anarchy would be worse than the Statists/Collectivists (Communists, Fascists, Marxists, Socialists, Imperialists (pick your poison because they all apply) currently running this authoritarian country. We are not living in a ROL Constitutional Republic.
Anarchy only exists as an abstract concept. Some form of order is bound to emerge from chaos, with the right leadership it will be a mostly just and benevolent government like the one our founding fathers established. At worst you end up with a fractured nation ruled by warlords like Somalia, and of course there are plenty of options between the extremes. The vision of a sustained and peaceful state of anarchy that appeals to today's libertarian purists is just a pipe dream.
 

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America was once a functioning Republic. For those of you who don't understand what the difference is between a Republic and a Democracy here it is in simple terms:

A Democracy is "Rule by the majority". It works some of the time unless the majority wants to take your money, your children, your house or your freedom. In some cases, your very life. In a Democracy several people rob a bank. A hundred citizens chase after them and catch them. 98 of the Citizens want to string them up. Two abstain. So the robbers are lynched on the spot. In a Republic, which means By The Rule Of The Law, the police show up and say to the crowd, "No you cannot lynch these people, they have the right to a fair trial. So they are taken to jail where they are held until their trial can begin. <snip>
A guy on the local radio quips: "Democracy is 3 wolves and a sheep all voting to decide what to have for dinner...."
 

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He also does not own his land. He get's to 'occupy' that land as long as he does exactly as his masters allow him to do and up until they (his masters) decide they have another use for his land. Then they take it.

Property ownership is a myth.
Kinda like "buying" Micro$oft Windows and other software. You don't "own" anything; you're just licensed to use it under their user agreement. Recently, as with Office 365, not only do you pay to "buy" the software to install it. You pay on a periodic basis to continue using it. Again, and again, and again.... Ah, Bill Gates was a crafty one when he was able to successfully get the gullible to accept that model of "buying" his software!
 

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Anarchy only exists as an abstract concept. Some form of order is bound to emerge from chaos, with the right leadership it will be a mostly just and benevolent government like the one our founding fathers established. At worst you end up with a fractured nation ruled by warlords like Somalia, and of course there are plenty of options between the extremes. The vision of a sustained and peaceful state of anarchy that appeals to today's libertarian purists is just a pipe dream.
We don't know that Anarchy would not work although I tend to agree with you. But, America was the first experiment of it's kind where the citizens were the Sovereigns and the govt. worked for, of, and by the people. Of course that has been turned upside down to where now 'We The People' work for the govt. through the violence of a gun.

America was the greatest experiment in the world. So, maybe using the example of our failed 'great' experiment, after the war, we can rebuild a society that is close to Anarchy and is, 'That govt which functions least, functions best'.

The world is evolving and I would agree we soft, dependent, controlling Americans are not ready for Anarchy, but maybe after the coming war, we will be. I very much doubt citizens who reclaim their freedom will be willing to be placed back in chains of the now American Collectivist/Authoritarian Tyrants.

Additionally, our founders in their wisdom gave us something special because they knew this day would come. That is the 2nd Amendment to 'remove' a govt that becomes tyrannical. Our govt. is tyrannical and we Americans are the largest army in the world. I thank God and our founders for that everyday because without our 2nd, we Americans would be in even deeper bondage than we already are.

YMMV
 

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We don't know that Anarchy would not work although I tend to agree with you.
MAYBE if we found a way to remove sociopathy/psychopathy from the human mind it would have a chance, but until then there will always be those who have no qualms using force against others to get what they want. Whether the people are conquered and ruled or organize and fight back a de facto government has formed.

America was the greatest experiment in the world. So, maybe using the example of our failed 'great' experiment, after the war, we can rebuild a society that is close to Anarchy and is, 'That govt which functions least, functions best'.
Look at the destruction and lingering resentment our last civil war brought upon the nation. I am a small government libertarian and would like nothing more than to see a return to our constitutional roots, but a civil war fought with modern weapons in the streets of our nation is the last thing anyone should be wishing for.
 

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MAYBE if we found a way to remove sociopathy/psychopathy from the human mind it would have a chance, but until then there will always be those who have no qualms using force against others to get what they want. Whether the people are conquered and ruled or organize and fight back a de facto government has formed.



Look at the destruction and lingering resentment our last civil war brought upon the nation. I am a small government libertarian and would like nothing more than to see a return to our constitutional roots, but a civil war fought with modern weapons in the streets of our nation is the last thing anyone should be wishing for.
I am not wishing for a civil war. I hope it doesn't come to that. What do you think will happen when the dollar collapses and all those 'dependent' people are starving to death? What about all those retirement funds and Social Security checks that don't show up? We have Detroit as an example. Martial law, disarmament? What do you think this govt. will do to a disarmed population?
 

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What do you think this govt. will do to a disarmed population?
20th century history is full of examples, I hope we never see it here. I didn't mean to single you out or put you on the spot with my comment, I just hate to see that so many seem to either look forward to a catastrophe to fulfill their "Walking Dead" fantasy or have accepted it as inevitable and checked out of the political process.
 

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i suspect the sort of freedom you are advocating is what most people would call anarchy.

i prefer the sort of freedom that comes with a local fire department and a EPA that will go after the guy across the street who pours used motor oil into the ground contaminating everyone's drinking water.
That does not have to come from property taxes. We could have private police paid by voluntarily dues, or these services could be paid by sales tax.

You are not a property "owner" if you could lose it by not paying extortion tax.
 
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