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..We're planning on doing that from the get-go, actually... At least, a 'tapered' plan.. Have 'extra-extra stock', planned to be used first, in 'Today's-portions', as a sort of 'morale-booster' (Having *some* "familiarity" after shtf will help (ie: Props to your 'chunky tomato sauce', there.. :) balance out the harsh shock of the 'new reality paradigm', methinks..

..But, little by little, the Plan is to 'taper down' to more stricter-portions, in hopes that when the really lean-times hit (..or, some 'catastrophy' hits, ie: Raid of the - non-hidden :cool: - stores, or, fire / flood, etc..) we'll sort of 'already be there' with the rationing-mentality..

..That's the 'plan' anyway.. :rolleyes: We shall have to see what reality throws at us...

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I've always wondered....does rationing actually make sense?

Do we know if someone who has ten days of food will survive better going on 1/4 rations for 40 days or if it would be better to just eat normally for 10 days and fast for 30?

Who would be in better shape at the end?
 

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Our plan is to start counting calories and ration to about 20% less than what each of us needs. (lots of estimating there). I have a doctors office scale to monitor our weight.
The idea is that we intentionally lose weight slowly, a lot like what most people spend big bucks for when they purchase diet plans.

This does a couple of things for us. 1) It makes it appear we are losing weight right along with everyone else so we don't look like we have tons of food. We may not be losing it quite as fast, but no one will be able to claim we aren't losing weight. 2) It helps us save calories later because it takes more energy to move around a person carrying excess fat than it does to move the same person at a lower weight. I'm not afraid to admit we could all stand to lose a few pounds, except for maybe my wife who is naturally thin.

After about 6 to 8 months, when the public herd has been thinned a bit through crime, illness, starvation, etc, we will reevaluate and make decisions from there.

We have plenty of food, a few tons saved in the basement and since we live in a rural area, we have access to a lot of fruit trees, bee hives, berries, chickens, ponds with fish, etc.
 

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It makes it appear we are losing weight right along with everyone else so we don't look like we have tons of food
Intersting idea. As it is I sometimes go a week without seeing other people and when STHF I'm going to literally burn the bridge and disappear so the idea of losing weight to avoid suspicion is interesting.

My question is, what are you getting from these other people (obviously not survival goods) that makes it worth it to interact with them closely enough that lack of weight loss would be conspicuous?
 

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As soon as possible after an event that even looks to be long term, the means to establish long term, sustainable, adequate food supplies should be implimented. Part of the pre-event planning should incorporate this.

If one waits until supplies are running low, it is probably too late to get enough food soon enough to prevent very drastic measures being necessary to get enough food to maintain adequate nutrition to prevent becoming incapacitated. (It takes a long time for a healthy adult to stave, if they have adequate water, but not very long to get to the point you can no longer do anything to help yourself.)

If the steps are not taken soon enough, and one does not, or cannot, get food even in less than admirable ways a d must institute severe rationing, it is going to be a very difficult decision on how to do it so everyone survives.

Because those that are capable of going out and getting more food are most likely going to be adult males and some adult females. That means they will need enough food to stay healthy enough to not only do that, but maintain their reasoning abilities so they will. So, unfortunately, the very people that most want to see get as much food as possible will be the ones getting just enough to keep them going.

The exception will be pregnant women and the women that are breast feeding newborns, and the babies. They must all get adequate nutritional food or risk serious permanent damage to the baby.

I know that many will not be able to cut the youngsters' rations to the degree necessary, and will wind up putting everyone at much higher risk. Because once adults can no longer function, the others are just not going to make it.

To me, this is the greatest incentive there is to not only store plenty of nutritious food, but have plans in place, and what is needed to produce good food in enough quantity soon enough to avoid any significant rationing of already somewhat limited meals. Besides, it is questionable if very many peppers will be able to produce LTS foods in much quantity very soon, so those LTS supplies obtained now might just have to be used at several different times.

Just my opinion.
 

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Why not store smaller individual meals (i.e., can using smaller jars, seal in smaller mylar packs, or vacuum pack in smaller bags/pouches), so portion control, calorie counts, and food scheduling/apportionment/number of meals is already planned/prepped. Inventory will be easier to keep track of and control, too.
 

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One of the challenges to rationing is that, IMO, the time of year when rationing will be most necessary is during the coldest months, when gardens and nature are supplying the least nutrition. I understand that rationing food supplies is necessary but something like 1/4 rations in the middle of Winter should be avoided, if at all possible.

It may seem counter-productive but digging deeper into your larder in Winter will probably be necessary, while operating on faith that a reasonable harvest will come in late Spring and Summer, provided you have prepared to cultivate, plant, and harvest a decent garden and find adequate protein sources.
 

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I have never understood the notion of deliberate rationing. To deliberately make yourself weaker in the hopes you will make it to such time as plentiful food is available seems like a plan for failure to me.

It would be one thing if you are in a position where food is not available, there is no likelihood of food becoming available, you already had some extra weight on and you were in the process of actively leaving one area for another area. I could understand allocating "X" amount per day per person, sure. But otherwise; starve in one month or starve in three months. Is there really a difference?

Store sufficient food stuffs for more than a year. Actively grow food, by whatever means and multiple means as you can. Store specialty or luxury foods (which are currently cheap) to allow for occasional "holidays": sugar, syrups, chocolate etc.

If you are in an area of high population concentration and are concerned about appearing "healthy", purchase clothing similar to your regular, but a size or two too big. Personally, I would recommend (and am working towards) not being in that situation at all. (But, of course, resources dictate the speed at which such a plan can come to fruition.)

Makes more sense to me.
 

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When a shtf happens most of us will know what it is many will not. my plan is to immediately go to 1/2 of what we eat now in order to stretch our supplies very similar to what I did in the Corps no more than 1-MRE every 18 hours in good weather 1- every 12 hours in cold weather.
 

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Most people consume too much food on a daily basis, we could do with much less. I agree with those who say to cut food portions immediately.
Eating a 10 day supply of food in 10 days Vs 40...I believe you should go for smaller meals over the long run. Look what happens in 3rd world countries. No food, none at all in 30 days, will surely make it much less likely you will survive. However those who eat small meals every few days DO seem to survive much longer.
 

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JOJO I think this may be the first post we have ever agreed on? LOL
There have been a few over the years....I think the last one was when I said Bergdahl should never see daylight again.
 

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Intersting idea. As it is I sometimes go a week without seeing other people and when STHF I'm going to literally burn the bridge and disappear so the idea of losing weight to avoid suspicion is interesting.

My question is, what are you getting from these other people (obviously not survival goods) that makes it worth it to interact with them closely enough that lack of weight loss would be conspicuous?
You and I have different plans. I live in a rural area, (cornfields and cows), and it would be advantageous for all around my area to share their renewable resources.

I have energy, one neighbor has 40 bee hives, another has horses, another has cows, another has a pine forest of what amounts to telephone poles, one of my neighbors down the street seems to have a selection of fully automatic weapons, etc etc.

Could I survive without any of them? Sure, I think so, but why would I want to make my life harder and more dangerous than it needs to be?

Communities work when people work together, not when they try to go it alone. Kill off the bad apples and the rest of the tree will flourish.

One prospers, the other is just existence.

Others may not agree with my philosophy and choose to go solo, and that's fine, its just not the way I intend to do things if I have a choice.

I even have huge stocks of certain cheap items that I intend to give away in order to help others. Multivitamins for instance, can go a long way towards building good will among others. Knowledge of local wild food sources is another good example of something that can be given away that would generate a lot of good will. I didn't know you could eat cattails until earlier this year when I started all this prepping stuff. Now I have information and even videos showing how its done.
 

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You and I have different plans. I live in a rural area, (cornfields and cows), and it would be advantageous for all around my area to share their renewable resources.
I am also very rural but I think most of my neighbors would be a liability rather than a resource. My community is pretty much dysfunctional as it is, SHTF anybody who can't feed themselves isn't going to have anything else that its worth interacting with them to get.

And the ones that are prepared? I think they would view me as a threat as well and I would be better off giving them a wide berth.

Honestly, I'm not one of the super hardcore kill everyone preppers but I have to have a certain level of trust with anyone I would be willing to trade with.

If I don't trust someone enough to not murder me and steal my food if I don't appear to lose enough weight then I'm not going to trust them enough to do any kind of trading with them.

It would be one thing if you are in a position where food is not available, there is no likelihood of food becoming available, you already had some extra weight on and you were in the process of actively leaving one area for another area. I could understand allocating "X" amount per day per person, sure. But otherwise; starve in one month or starve in three months. Is there really a difference?
It only matters if after three months there is going to be more food again for some reason.

For myself I think I am more likely to be able to acquire two months more food from a month of strength than I am to be given more food after three months of weakness.
 

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Multivitamins Have a very short shelf life.
Ya, compared to rice and beans they do! LOL

Mine are stored in their original containers, put into mylar bags with O2A and then into the basement where summer temps are 70 to 75 and winter temps are around 40 to 45.

The conservative estimate is 2 or 3 years with many saying 4 and even past 5 years depending on storage.

I think my saltines are in the same "use them in a couple of years" boat.
 

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Ya, compared to rice and beans they do! LOL

Mine are stored in their original containers, put into mylar bags with O2A and then into the basement where summer temps are 70 to 75 and winter temps are around 40 to 45.

The conservative estimate is 2 or 3 years with many saying 4 and even past 5 years depending on storage.

I think my saltines are in the same "use them in a couple of years" boat.
Your system locks the vitamins into the air in their container, while removing the O2 from around the container. Doesn't do the vitamins much good that way.

O2 exposure is part of why multivitamins don't have a long shelf life. But the other big factor is that some of the vitamins interact with each other over time and reduce each other's potency.

There is a brand of "survival" multivitamin that has each component coated or something, to isolate them from interacting with each other. The name eludes me at the moment. I don't have any of them, but have read about them several times in years past. I think Walton Feed used to be one company that sold them.
 

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Well, I suppose the situation particulars would dictate, however we have no “plans” on rationing*.

Our particulars leave us with a reasonably decent amount of decent foods put back & then access to renewables once at BOL.

So personally I am not seeing the benefit (again in our particular situation), of being and looking run down due to lowered caloric intake & nutrition. Just to be able to “fit in”/ not draw attention to our situation. The idea mentioned above of oversized clothing is an excellent way to have cover, if that should be required for whatever reasoning at whatever time.

Coveralls and field clothes we currently own would fit that bill rather nicely, if not worn as overgarments (as current). Plus they “look” well worn allready.

There would be plenty to do which would require a “whole bunch” of high calories & good nutrition, again in our situation, so simply another reason I’m not seeing the benefit to cutting back “just in case” someone might think we are eating well.

*Edit: Yah, treats would be cut back on, particularly coffee. I drink around 3-4L+ per day, she only does about .75L in today’s normalcy. I drink that much primarily due to the hours I keep (extended rotations on top of normal days), that type of schedule would likely be maintained (doing far different things), but the coffee would be tapered back to be used as treats rather than constant input. Difficult to do, but have done so multiple times over the years, so not too too difficult. I’d far prefer having treats of a mug or 2 per day, than going cold turkey (from constant input). We also have “a whole bunch” of teas put back, both pressed bricks as well as bags.
 

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When I was a boy, I was raised on a small farm, that was our way of life. We ate what we grew, and had very little money to speak of, my Father farming and logging in the winter was our only cash. We grew about a 3 acre garden, had an apple orchard, had chickens, pigs and a few milk cows. We had no electricity. I recall some springs we would be getting very low on vegetables etc before the garden would strt producing again. My Mother put up canned vegetables and fruit. We even fished when fish would be running in the spring and she would can down game and fish and salt down the fish when she ran out of canning jars. I do recall a couple of springs when for whatever reason we would be down to potatoes 3x a day for awhile, or homemade bread and milk for a meal. Until you have had a pie plate with home made bread and warmed up cow's milk poured over it for a meal 3 x a day for awhile you really have not been hungry. There was no welfare in those days. And they would never ask for help anyway. Looking back although I was not very happy about it at the time, I do know I would be ok. Me and my younger brother would be out after rabbits, grouse, and even pigeons for my Mom's meat pies etc. My older brothers would be after deer etc. My Grandmother would take us kids into the bush looking for wild food and medicinal plants. I got a good education. Even long term food only lasts so long. Which is why even today I always try to grow all our own food. This next year I plan on growing and threshing all our own wheat for example and doubling the size of our garden area, and main project is a root cellar. Our root cellar when I was a kid saved our bacon most years. The wife and I do have LTS food, but the long term plan is to grow our own as much as possible right now, so we are not scrambling when the shtf, and shtf is a certainty.
 
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