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According to reports out of top Chinese mainstream news outlets, the RAND Corporation recently presented a shocking proposal to the Pentagon in which it lobbied for a war to be started with a major foreign power in an attempt to stimulate the American economy and prevent a recession.

A fierce debate has now ensued in China about who that foreign power may be, with China itself as well as Russia and even Japan suspected to be the targets of aggression.

The reports cite French media news sources as having uncovered the proposal, in which RAND suggested that the $700 billion dollars that has been earmarked to bailout Wall Street and failing banks instead be used to finance a new war which would in turn re-invigorate the flagging stock markets.

The RAND Corporation is a notoriously powerful NGO with deep ties to the U.S. military-industrial complex as well as interlocking connections with the Ford, Rockefeller, and Carnegie foundations.

Current directors of RAND include Frank Charles Carlucci III, former Defense Secretary and Deputy Director of the CIA, Ronald L. Olson, Council on Foreign Relations luminary and former Secretary of Labor, and Carl Bildt, top Bilderberg member and former Swedish Prime Minister.
Carlucci was chairman of the Carlyle Group from 1989-2005 and oversaw gargantuan profits the defense contractor made in the aftermath of 9/11 following the invasion of Afghanistan. The Carlyle Group has also received investment money from the Bin Laden family.

Reportedly, the RAND proposal brazenly urged that a new war could be launched to benefit the economy, but stressed that the target country would have to be a major influential power, and not a smaller country on the scale of Afghanistan or Iraq.

The reports have prompted a surge of public debate and tension in China about the possibility that a new global conflict is on the horizon.

China’s biggest media outlet, Sohu.com, speculated that the target of the new war would probably be China or Russia, but that it could also be Iran or another middle eastern country. Japan was also mentioned as a potential target for the reason that Japan holds the most U.S. debt.

North Korea was considered as a target but ruled out because the scale of such a war would not be large enough for RAND’s requirements.

The reported RAND proposal dovetails with recent comments made by Joe Biden, Colin Powell, Madeleine Albright and others, concerning the “guarantee” that Barack Obama will face a major “international crisis” soon after taking office.

It also arrives following a warning from Michael Bayer, chairman of a key Pentagon advisory panel, who echoed the statement that the next administration will face an international crisis within months of taking office.

One would hope that good people, or at least sane people who don’t wish to start a global nuclear war, will oppose the RAND proposal, such as top the military generals who threatened to quit if Bush ordered an attack on Iran. Admiral William Fallon, the head of US Central Command, quit in March last year as a result of his opposition to Bush administration policy on Iran.

Translations from Chinese provided by Yihan Dai.
 

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Iran would be our next target. They have two much oil, conflict with US values and we have already strategically placed ourselve on two sides of them. Iran would not stand a chance against the US--especially in a conventional two-front war. Ask the Germans how that worked.
 

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Is it possible we could go to war with the Russkies with their consent and just limit it to conventional warfare?
Hey yeah... we could hit their "undesirables" and they could hit ours.... :)

War is only good for a nation's economy if they still have their MANUFACTURING BASE. This doesn't surpise me coming from Rand.

This story was also published by the Pakistan Daily...
 

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Iran would be our next target. They have two much oil, conflict with US values and we have already strategically placed ourselve on two sides of them. Iran would not stand a chance against the US--especially in a conventional two-front war. Ask the Germans how that worked.
Actually Rand said Iran is "too small"

Reportedly, the RAND proposal brazenly urged that a new war could be launched to benefit the economy, but stressed that the target country would have to be a major influential power, and not a smaller country on the scale of Afghanistan or Iraq.
This is MY favorite part:
The RAND Corporation is a notoriously powerful NGO with deep ties to the U.S. military-industrial complex as well as interlocking connections with the Ford, Rockefeller, and Carnegie foundations.

Current directors of RAND include Frank Charles Carlucci III, former Defense Secretary and Deputy Director of the CIA, Ronald L. Olson, Council on Foreign Relations luminary and former Secretary of Labor, and Carl Bildt, top Bilderberg member and former Swedish Prime Minister.

Carlucci was chairman of the Carlyle Group from 1989-2005 and oversaw gargantuan profits the defense contractor made in the aftermath of 9/11 following the invasion of Afghanistan. The Carlyle Group has also received investment money from the Bin Laden family.
Maybe some day Americans will learn to put 2 and 2 together.
 

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Loses credibility for me immediately when I see "Japan" listed as a potential target.

Who comes up with this stupid ****.

I don't doubt it has crossed the minds of those in power that war spurs certain parts of the domestic economy. But, guess what, we're already in two wars and the economy is still in the ****s. Moreover, given our current overseas committment with who exactly are we going to wage this war with? Our military isn't that large.
 

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We only got out of the great depression because of WW2.
In WW2 our big 3 car manufacturers were making tanks,planes, and jeeps.
If the big 3 goes bye bye that will impact our ability to engage in full scale conventional war.
 

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RAND denies this allegation:

Daily Times
RAND denies proposing war against major power

By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: The RAND Corporation has denied that it ever submitted a proposal to the Pentagon advocating a war with a major foreign power in order to stimulate the US economy and prevent a recession.

Jeffrey Hiday, a spokesman for RAND Corporation, told Daily Times when reached for comment that the report carried by this newspaper on Monday, quoting “Chinese news outlets” was a “hoax, at best.” He said, “Contrary to various online accounts, RAND is not advocating war against China or any nation to advance recovery of the US economy. The notion that RAND has generated such an analysis is simply a rumour, with no foundation in fact. We do not know how those who generated the rumour arrived at their conclusion.”

RAND, Hiday added, is a nonprofit institution that helps improve policy and decisionmaking through research and analysis. “Our recent research on China, Afghanistan and Iraq is strictly nonpartisan. Our core values are quality and objectivity,” he said.

Here are the Chinese sources that apparently say otherwise:
http://news.sohu.com/20081030/n260330741.shtml
http://news.ifeng.com/mil/4/200810/1029_342_851523.shtml

Who can read Chinese? Where's Min???
 
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