How would you have handled it?

Unfortunately, probably not with the same amount of balls that you did.

 

My wife was mad that I did this without her being home to cover me from an open upstairs window with a rifle.

Az

 

Dark stairways have been known to host untimely falls.

 

We like to call them accidents.

Az

 

I'd say you did the right thing and he won't be back. Dealers like the path of least resistance and he thought he wasn't being watched.

 

That's what I'm counting on. His usual day includes riding up and down our road at least a dozen times, and I haven't seen him at all since yesterday morning when this happened.

Az

 

You did good. They don't like being watched. You knew too much.

Altho...keep your head on a swivel..you know too much about his activities and where he lives. Mightt perceive that as a threat later...

 

Yeah I was just about to post something similar; watch your back and that of those you care about.

 

I may have been a little less... willing to approach the car.

Maybe spoken from the drive or patio area... who knows what the person in the vehicle is packing or on....


But I think you sufficiently handled the situation.


I'm surprised he "dealt" in a cul de sac. Eyes from every angle.

Did he pee himself? [emoji48]

 

I'm surprised he "dealt" in a cul de sac. Eyes from every angle.

Most people who deal drugs, or are involved in any other form of ongoing criminal activity aren't known for their intellect.

Also, to the original poster, if this house is truly a Section 8 rental, you might be pleased to know that Section 8 takes a dim view of drug activity taking place in anything that they foot the bill for.

If this continues, contact not only your local PD, but also the local Housing Authority as well and let them know what is happening. -- Chances are high that if this guy gets popped with drugs on him the entire family will lose their Section 8.

 

The riding up and down the street not dealing drugs was to get everyone used to him. Then they wouldn't watch when he rode up and down the street dealing drugs.

The problem isn't just him, but who he draws into the neighborhood with his business. Those rich white boys and the skanky bitch all have friends, and they all need to get their drug money somehow. Stealing is the easiest. Keep watch, and next time go armed. I'll bet ya if he doesn't own a gun he at least owns a knife. Stay out of reach.

 

I agree.

And yes, I was armed. If I'm dressed, I'm armed.

Az

 

That, either open carrying (something I never do unless I want to advertise) or my typical CCW.

Or called the cops to do it.

Where I'm at there's no calling the cops and I grab a long arm if I think I might need to "read from the book"

The more Urban, the more likely I'll allow "government" to handle it.

Was at a "neighbors" (few miles from my place) when a relative of the former occupants tresspassed and "showed" a knife.

They called the cops and they told us as they were taking him away to shoot him next time.
That mindset in LEO'S isn't as prevalent in denser populaces.

 

That mindset in LEO'S isn't as prevalent in denser populaces.

Very true. I prefer rural LEO's to their more urban counterparts.

 

Nice job, but keep your eyes open (sounds like you have good situational awareness to begin with).

 

I would contact the authorities. A paper trail is a good thing.

 

The problem with a paper trail is that it's also possible for the perps to find out who called the cops. Freedom of information act and all that.

I prefer to be an enigma.

Az

 

Honestly, I probably would have had communications with my best neighbor about it, and then had some kind of words with the dealer and told him not to come around. You sound urban so I would have also called cops probably, but obviously in your case it sounds like that wasn't needed.

 

I don't think he'll make any moves on you. He knows you know where he lives and you could have cops kick in his door with one phone call. He either has to move or hope that you allow him to continue. Without a doubt I think he'll be much more low profile now.

 

If you are white and he is black, you need to be very careful about how you address this in the future.

You are dealing with an unlevel playing field. If you have any more confrontations make sure to film them for your protection

 

I understand. But I also understand that constantly giving in to fears of being called racist for doing the right thing are ruining this country.

But your advice is probably a good idea. I've already been looking at dashcams for our car to protect against liars and ridiculous lawsuits. A simple body cam would be a good addition and useful for several situations.

Az

 

Although noble, your approach has its faults. He'll just relocate and continue doing business. Moving forward, it may be more beneficial to coordinate with local law enforcement. Notify the local agency beforehand, then call it in when you see it. Send the bad guy to the pokey and not just down the road to your neighbors. I can't speak for other jusrisdictions, but around here this kind of community interaction is a career builder for detectives. They'd love to jump on it.

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Back about 15 years ago my family lived in a row of 7 townhouse condos with two similar buildings behind us. Our driveway was on the far side of the backyard. Lots of little kids around, playing outside and running back and forth between one another's condos. Three doors down from me was a single mom of two older teens. I used to see the son come outside, frequently, to greet "friends." They would shake hands upon arrival and upon leaving.
After a week of watching this I spoke with the local PD and gave them multiple license plate numbers. The PD confirmed that they were familiar with many of them. I offered up my kitchen for their use, so that they could monitor the activity.
That same afternoon some jack-wagon came flying into our driveway/parking lot/back yard. He paid no heed to the little kids playing on bikes. He and two of his buddies got out of the car and neighbor-boy came out to greet them. At that point, I had had enough. I went out of my condo and walked right up to them. I told James/neighbor-boy to knock it off. I told him I had spoken to the cops and I told him his mother could lose her house when he got arrested. I told the the buyers that the cops were waiting for them at the entrance of the condo drive. I looked at James and told him this was his only warning. With their eyes down and muttering that they weren't doing anything, they all shuffled off. I never saw that activity again and he avoided me like the plague from that day forward.
I should have handled it differently. I was a 28 year old momma bear of three of the cubs that liked to play outside. I wasn't willing to wait for someone else to keep them safe.
On a side note: I saw in the local paper that neighbor-boy got married last year and that he has his masters degree. I like to think that I had a hand in that...

 

I don't know what to tell you but that's pretty funny actually.

 

"I ran off a drug dealer..."

You spelled 'over' wrong.

 

Get their license plate numbers. Take pictures of the plates and the cars.

If you see this guy again film him discreetly.

 

You handled it right. MY street is MY turf. Go deal on your own turf.

That is exactly what the other bangers would tell him, it's all they respect. Deal on my block and die.

My guess is mommy would be hot on his ass if she found out...

 

As others have suggested providing a few license plates to local police is a good idea, once a few buyers are nabbed leaving the area word WILL get around that the area is "hot" though sales might move to a "high traffic" area (local fast food/mini mall parking lots) as has happened here in NW N.J. with heroin when neighbors have complained or in the best scenario dealers will get busted.

You can contact local police and see if they have a "Neighborhood Watch" program, sign up if they do and get the "official" signs (most agencies provide free of charge). Prominently post the signs at the entrance to your street and again halfway down then at the end in the cul-de-sac itself.

If your town doesn't have a "Neighborhood Watch" program and they or you don't want to start one go online, search databases like "Google" for images of "Neighborhood Watch" signs then hit the phonebook for a local sign maker and have a few made up. If the signs you find don't have "This Area Is Under Video Surveillance" have the sign-maker add it in "bold" lettering and post them as suggested above. Don't get metal signs, the teens will snag them as "trophies", dopers will steal them then sell them at a scrap yard so get the plastic ones. Just the possibility that there is someone watching them is enough to scare off someone dealing drugs and or buyers but again others are brazen and those needing a "fix" just don't care.

You probably know this already but start talking to neighbors with similar concerns/interest especially ones with young children, play upon their fears, enlighten them as to what typically follows the drug dealing, ie. kids stepping on, finding and/or playing with syringes and getting "stuck" (Hepatitis C, HIV/AIDS etc.), turf wars, drive-by shootings, home and car/truck burglaries, home invasions, intoxicated drivers recklessly operating vehicles where their children are playing, use anything to spur them to action. Sure you will be manipulating them but it IS your "quality of life" and well being that's at stake. Use "fear" to motivate those "on-the-fence".

 

We had a young man, a suspected dealer move in down the road. Our country road is a dead end. Cars started driving in at all hours so I knew something was up. They didn't go to the house where he lived but would set up a secret stash point or meet him in a vehicle. I handled it by getting out of bed and following the visitors in my pick up. They hated it. The suspected dealer was gone within a month. Of course I carried a gun but never confronted anyone. The fact that we know what they are doing often discourages them.

 

You, sir, are hard core and dedicated.

As is the OP. Well done.

 

drug dealers are in it to make money, not cause trouble. you did the right thing and while he will not stop dealing, he at least won't do it near your house.

 

I'm not gonna lie, back in the "way back when" as a "troubled youth", that would have scared the crap outta me. Well done sir.

 

I would have told him to keep his business private i.e out of the street and to cut me in once a month for keeping my mouth shut. You could go to war with him but there is already a war on drugs that hasn't worked. Make friends with him and at the very least he can adjust his behaviour so as to not bother you and the other neighbours.

I once lived next to a guy that sold a **** ton of pot. He was one of the best neighbours I ever had, kept to himself and kept his 'guests' quiet. A bit of traffic during the day but never any drama and after hours it would be just him coming and going very quietly, once or twice a night. He used to feed my cat when I was away.

If they are smart these guys won't **** where they eat. I would not want him meeting people in front of my house on a bike or whatever.

 

... I once lived next to a guy that sold a **** ton of pot. He was one of the best neighbours I ever had, kept to himself and kept his 'guests' quiet. A bit of traffic during the day but never any drama and after hours it would be just him coming and going very quietly, once or twice a night. He used to feed my cat when I was away.

If they are smart these guys won't **** where they eat. I would not want him meeting people in front of my house on a bike or whatever.

I had a good friend that was a professional dealer, just weed. There were lots of these guys around between 1974 and 1985 or so. He had a day job that allowed him to make stops or have his regulars meet him somewhere. His house and yard were immaculate, he had a wife and 2 kids. He never sold to anyone that wasn't 110% vetted, in all his years the cops never even looked his way.

Another one I knew, moved large amounts of weed between Florida and NY and he was 65 when I met him. Completely under the radar.

 

The dealer is a cockroach. Shine the light on him and he will flee. If he were the kingpin for the area, and turf were hotly contested with a rival gang, then there might be a problem, but he likely has free range and can set up shop elsewhere.

 

Ya done good, OP......

I've run a few "casers" out of our neighborhood over the years.....same old story, driving slowly down our dead-end road, checking out the barns, garages, etc., seeing if there's anything they like, and thinking they'll come back for it in a few night's time.....

I followed one back to the end of my dead-end road one day, after watching them cruise slowly by on my security cameras.....I work nights, so I'm up at odd hours during the day; jumped in the truck, pulled my 4x4 across the road blocking their exit, got out, and approached the driver's side of the ratty-looking van; young, nervous punk driving, and older, scraggly-looking middle-aged guy in the passenger seat.....asked them if they were lost, the kid started stammering "Look, Man, we don't want no trouble....", and as the older scumbag gets mouthy, asking me who the hell I thought I was, I swept my shirt aside, the stainless 1911 glistening in the sunlight, and explained to them I'd been burglarized ONCE, and it was NOT going to happen AGAIN.....:

BOTH of them started apologizing PROFUSELY, stammering out some lame excuses about looking for a friend's house, so I went back to my truck, moved out of their way, and they peeled rubber up and out the street, NEVER to return.....

I wrote down their license # and their descriptions for future reference, but it was never needed.....Guess I made "an impression".....:thumb:

I really DO need to get a dashcam, as cheap as they are nowadays.....video would come in handy for a LOT of "issues"....

DocZeus
AKA
The "Don't Hunt On MY Turf" One.....

 

...I really DO need to get a dashcam, as cheap as they are nowadays.....video would come in handy for a LOT of "issues".....

You can make one out of an Android smart phone, just download the app (the phone can connect to the google play store over wifi). I've done it with my old phone after I upgraded to a new model. It works pretty well, but not as well at night I'd guess.