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Fellow Survivalists,

In the wake of a violent street incident in the U.S. protests against the further Socialization of medicine, I thought this would be a good time to post a blog entry on the subject of personal self-defense.

Although guns are mentioned as a possible weapon and I am 100% pro-RKBA, the emphasis here is on strategy and improvisation of weapons in any situation. (I'll post more on guns later.) And although much of the information is targeted to urban situations, the basic principles can and should be used anywhere that plunderers of life and liberty can be found:

Unbound Survival!: How to Put Teeth in the Slogan: "Don't Tread On Me!"
http://unboundendeavors.blogspot.com/2009/08/unbound-security-how-to-get-put-teeth.html
 

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Up until this: "[f]or more great reading on the evil of Altruism..." it wasn't bad as an admonishment to be alert to your surroundings.

However, I would rather go by Matt. 25 when it comes to altruism: "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
 

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Up until this: "[f]or more great reading on the evil of Altruism..." it wasn't bad as an admonishment to be alert to your surroundings.

However, I would rather go by Matt. 25 when it comes to altruism: "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
I guess I must be stupid because what you wrote went right over my head.:confused::confused:
 

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It's an ok reminder to be alert of your suroundings, but its full of bad advice. At one point, he advocates blocking strikes to your legs, pelvis, and groin with a hand. Anyone with martial arts experience knows that you're supposed to do that with your legs. Doh! He also advised someone who is on the ground during an attack to "curl up in the fetel position." That's pretty dumb if you ask me. If I'm on the ground during an attack, I'm going to be trying my hardest to fight my way back to my feet, so I can either continue fighting, or run. I also resent him telling ME what MY duty is to other people in their time of need. Its not his place to tell me not to help someone in trouble. In short, I think he has a good philosophy on self-defense, but he doesn't have the knowledge/ wisdom/ experience/ training/ etc. that he would like people to think he has.
 

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Up until this: "[f]or more great reading on the evil of Altruism..." it wasn't bad as an admonishment to be alert to your surroundings.

However, I would rather go by Matt. 25 when it comes to altruism: "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
I agree. I thought it was rather arrogant of him to tell me not to help someone in their time of need.
 

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Up until this: "[f]or more great reading on the evil of Altruism..." it wasn't bad as an admonishment to be alert to your surroundings.

However, I would rather go by Matt. 25 when it comes to altruism: "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
I once wept because I had no shoes.

Then I meet a man who had no feet.

So I stole his shoes.

Well, its not like he was using them anyways.

Right?
 

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Fellow Survivalists,

Folks, relax. I didn't say not to help others. I did say that--unless you have accepted the obligation by contract, unless you have done damages to others, and unless you have been duly convicted of a crime--it is not your obligation morally, civilly, or legally to do anything for anybody.

If you assume that there are unchosen obligations for peaceful, honest people who haven't damaged others, then, you have assumed a slave morality. By the logic of a slave morality, any plunderer has first claim on your life and all that you hold dear. If you want to stop plunderers, the notion of unchosen obligations is the first notion to get out of your head.

I should add also, charity and helping others is valuable and precious precisely because it is voluntary and the donor does not have to provide it.
 

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Dear MesserMan,

You wrote:

It's an ok reminder to be alert of your suroundings, but its full of bad advice. At one point, he advocates blocking strikes to your legs, pelvis, and groin with a hand. Anyone with martial arts experience knows that you're supposed to do that with your legs. Doh! He also advised someone who is on the ground during an attack to "curl up in the fetel position." That's pretty dumb if you ask me. If I'm on the ground during an attack, I'm going to be trying my hardest to fight my way back to my feet, so I can either continue fighting, or run. I also resent him telling ME what MY duty is to other people in their time of need. Its not his place to tell me not to help someone in trouble. In short, I think he has a good philosophy on self-defense, but he doesn't have the knowledge/ wisdom/ experience/ training/ etc. that he would like people to think he has.
The problem with blocking with the legs is that you can be easily knocked off balance once the leg is off of the ground. With the lowered hand and arm, you can just slap blows away from your lower regions, then follow up with a counter-strike with the other hand. You can also alternate hands, but always keep one hand up and one hand down. I've done it while sparring and I know first-hand that it works.

As for dealing with attacks on the ground, please read the passage again. I said either curl up and/or kick while on your back and/or roll backwards. Curling up would naturally be a last resort if no other option was present at the time.

Finally, I didn't say what was your duty. I said there was no such thing as a duty for peaceful, honest, harmless people to help others. There are only chosen obligations or making restitution for damages. To think otherwise is to be a sucker to anyone who asserts that you have a duty to help them.

What if the man with a cast or a crutch who asks for your assistance to his vehicle is a Ted Bundy? What if the unemployed man is a Hitler? What if the patient with a potentially deadly disease is a Stalin? Is there a duty to help them? (All of those situations of need involving ruthless murderers actually happened.)

Again, if your value your life, liberty, property, and pursuit of happiness, it is necessary to exercise situational awareness.
 

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Fellow Survivalists,

I thank everybody for their thoughts, even if we may never agree on Altruism. By responding, you have helped sharpen my thoughts and, hopefully along with it, my future writing.

(Naturally, it wasn't your duty to help me in this task, :D: but since you chose to do so, the least I can do is thank you. :thumb: I'll return the favor if you want me to read and analyze your own writings.)

Please feel free to keep the thoughts coming.
 

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Up until this: "[f]or more great reading on the evil of Altruism..." it wasn't bad as an admonishment to be alert to your surroundings.

However, I would rather go by Matt. 25 when it comes to altruism: "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
Instead of saying "the evil of Altruism", I would have put it "the dangers of Altruism". He emphasized that you shouldn't let anyone get too physically close, in an effort to help them, if you don't know their intentions. That's basic survival sense.

I also agree that we have no legal duty to help anyone, but I wonder if that's not kind of an empty way to live if you spend your life never helping anyone else. One has to consider your own gut instincts about each situation, though. If you sense this person or situation isn't quite what it seems, you're likely right.
 

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Fellow Survivalists,

Folks, relax. I didn't say not to help others. I did say that--unless you have accepted the obligation by contract, unless you have done damages to others, and unless you have been duly convicted of a crime--it is not your obligation morally, civilly, or legally to do anything for anybody.

If you assume that there are unchosen obligations for peaceful, honest people who haven't damaged others, then, you have assumed a slave morality. By the logic of a slave morality, any plunderer has first claim on your life and all that you hold dear. If you want to stop plunderers, the notion of unchosen obligations is the first notion to get out of your head.

I should add also, charity and helping others is valuable and precious precisely because it is voluntary and the donor does not have to provide it.
Good points. There is a difference between forced altruism (properly defined: socialism) and charity from the heart. Giving to others should be a choice made by the individual. It should not be legislated by a dictatorial, liberal, power-mad government. Altruism, in and of itself, is neither evil nor dangerous. Forced altrusim isn't really altruism at all but is, in actuality, theft.
 

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All this is nice, but I have multiple firearms. I'm not *^%#ing around; if it's 4 on 1 like the union thugs, they're going down. I'm not wasting time or energy on all this.
 

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Good post. I understand his points. Actually , I don't disagree with anything he said.His and my fighting styles may differ but I agree with his basic premise. I am a Christian and while I do understand the points made concerning certain tenets of the Christian faith, I choose when and where to exercise them. It's called using discernment . I see drag worms on every street corner holding up card board signs saying something like : Homeless Vet,anything will help,God bless. I never give them money . I do notice they have money for cigarettes. And cellphones. It's a scam. I take personal security very seriously. I don't like strangers entering my W.A.R. zone ( Within Arms Reach).I've been mugged before,not again. I give to St.Judes Children's hospital. I donate to the Salvation Army. I do what I can, when I can but NOT on the street. Anyone approaching my zone is considered hostile. TP
 

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Looks like the "Obama Civilian Army" is starting to mobilize. First it was the Black Pathers "gaurding" the poles, A.C.O.R.N helping stuff the ballot box and now the Press corps to go after the protesters, and when that doen't work get some union thugs to beat the crap out of people at the town hall meetings.

I'll beat a dollar to a doughnut, that the those SEIU thugs that were arrested for this assault will have the charges dropped, in a month or two, just like the pathers that got arrested for pole intimidation in Baltimore, MD.


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Dear rnman99,

You wrote:

All this is nice, but I have multiple firearms. I'm not *^%#ing around; if it's 4 on 1 like the union thugs, they're going down. I'm not wasting time or energy on all this.
The ideal, of course--and what I aim to be able to do one day--is never to go any place where you can't shoot back, so I'm with you here.

Until the banks, airlines, courthouses, and Post Offices allow such--and until we become a full-bore gun culture--however, the next best thing in such situations is improvised weaponry, which is why I emphasized it.
 

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Dear Ianahi,

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Instead of saying "the evil of Altruism", I would have put it "the dangers of Altruism". He emphasized that you shouldn't let anyone get too physically close, in an effort to help them, if you don't know their intentions. That's basic survival sense.
Trust me. If it is dangerous to the life of a rational being and it is a product of someone's deliberate choice, it is evil.

I also agree that we have no legal duty to help anyone, but I wonder if that's not kind of an empty way to live if you spend your life never helping anyone else.
Fret not. Even if a person only does his job of supporting himself, he's helping others by providing his labor services and by not being a burden to others as well.

Best of all, even before the Welfare State and despite the Welfare State, U.S. Citizens were and are among the most generous people on the Planet. U.S. Citizens give billions of Dollars to all kinds of charities and causes, whether or not government forces them to do so via taxation.

One has to consider your own gut instincts about each situation, though. If you sense this person or situation isn't quite what it seems, you're likely right.
Exactly what I meant in my writings. Yes, help people whom you think are worthy, but never let yourself get guilt-tripped or manipulated into it.
 

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Dear Rifleman336,

Looks like the "Obama Civilian Army" is starting to mobilize. First it was the Black Pathers "gaurding" the poles, A.C.O.R.N helping stuff the ballot box and now the Press corps to go after the protesters, and when that doen't work get some union thugs to beat the crap out of people at the town hall meetings.

I'll beat a dollar to a doughnut, that the those SEIU thugs that were arrested for this assault will have the charges dropped, in a month or two, just like the pathers that got arrested for pole intimidation in Baltimore, MD.


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Fortunately, freedom-loving people are pushing back. Every day I'm off from work, (and my laundry's clean,) I wear my "Don't Tread On Me" Gadsden Flag T-Shirt. I get stares, but nobody has dared to confront me on it.

Up the street, there was (and may still be) a mobile flag vendor who includes a couple of Gadsden Flag designs in his selection of wares. And he deals on the edge of a real rough part of town too. So far, no reports of thuggery yet.

And you'll notice that after this past salvo of freedom-loving people at the town-hall meetings, Obama and the Obamanation are running scared and yammering and stuttering and backtracking as fast as they can, at least until they can lick their wounds.

I tell ya, folks, I am firmly convinced: To get free and remain free, you must first think, speak, and act like you actually are free. Then everything eventually falls into place.
 
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