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Looks like Bloomberg is working on his transplanted New York liberal/socialists who went to Florida to retire. He and his money-daddy Soros have been systematically BUYING up state and local governments (like Virginia, Connecticut, California and others) so they can push the civilian disarmament agenda.

And he is now so sure of himself that he is running for President this go around!

And HIS money (plus Soros') makes Trump's bankroll look like school lunch money!

We MUST beware! We MUST stand up NOW! Or THIS will be coming to a place near you!
 

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Sorry, it isn't clear whether they want to amend the Constitution of the State of Florida, or the US Constitution.

One of the scary things coming out of California and Washington are efforts to "end-run" the US Constitution using State's Rights as a platform.

IOW, in Washington there is now a State-level Handgun Registration Roster. Each time a resident of WA purchases a handgun, their name and the gun they own goes into this State-level database.

While it is illegal at the federal level for BATF to maintain a database of which US citizens own which firearms, the position of the individual states seems to be that maintaining the same database can be done at the state level using State's Rights.

If a US citizen is on a database showing which individual weapons, by serial #, each citizen owns, it's hardly relevant whether that database is maintained at the federal or state level. Disarmament is the result either way.

Such laws offer a sort of prelude to mass gun confiscation - the state must first know who owns which firearms in order to confiscate them.

In WA the law is intended to ensure that all sales go through licensed dealers. IOW, if Ted has a firearm in his possession that is registered to Phil in the database, both Ted and Phil can be prosecuted for executing a sale outside of a registered gun dealer.

This would not be possible if not for the database

BUT...should the state ever decide that Ted and Phil don't need to own those evil black guns, it's also not a real problem to send LEOs over to their house to confiscate them.

The problem is that state gun control, executed to allow the state to regulate sales, has a dual-use as a confiscatory tool. (A fact that the state is obviously not unaware of, but says nothing about.)

This is the sort of pernicious 'infringement' that we must beware of and fight against - not *federal level* gun control, which is protected by the Supreme Court; but *state level* gun control that State legislators execute to regulate sales, etc. States Rights might be allowed to exceed Federal laws, however, at some point the Supreme Court needs to rule on what precisely defines "Infringement" - as in "shall not be infringed" - by ANY government, federal or state.
 

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They can try.. but The Supremacy Clause trumps (hehe) all.
 
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We did it to ourselves, our passion for black ugly guns has created the myth of the "assault rifle".
A butter knife can be an "assault weapon." Paint it black and it's especially dangerous.
 

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Sorry, it isn't clear whether they want to amend the Constitution of the State of Florida, or the US Constitution.

One of the scary things coming out of California and Washington are efforts to "end-run" the US Constitution using State's Rights as a platform.

IOW, in Washington there is now a State-level Handgun Registration Roster. Each time a resident of WA purchases a handgun, their name and the gun they own goes into this State-level database.

While it is illegal at the federal level for BATF to maintain a database of which US citizens own which firearms, the position of the individual states seems to be that maintaining the same database can be done at the state level using State's Rights.

If a US citizen is on a database showing which individual weapons, by serial #, each citizen owns, it's hardly relevant whether that database is maintained at the federal or state level. Disarmament is the result either way.

Such laws offer a sort of prelude to mass gun confiscation - the state must first know who owns which firearms in order to confiscate them.

In WA the law is intended to ensure that all sales go through licensed dealers. IOW, if Ted has a firearm in his possession that is registered to Phil in the database, both Ted and Phil can be prosecuted for executing a sale outside of a registered gun dealer.

This would not be possible if not for the database

BUT...should the state ever decide that Ted and Phil don't need to own those evil black guns, it's also not a real problem to send LEOs over to their house to confiscate them.

The problem is that state gun control, executed to allow the state to regulate sales, has a dual-use as a confiscatory tool. (A fact that the state is obviously not unaware of, but says nothing about.)

This is the sort of pernicious 'infringement' that we must beware of and fight against - not *federal level* gun control, which is protected by the Supreme Court; but *state level* gun control that State legislators execute to regulate sales, etc. States Rights might be allowed to exceed Federal laws, however, at some point the Supreme Court needs to rule on what precisely defines "Infringement" - as in "shall not be infringed" - by ANY government, federal or state.
It’s the state constitution..
 

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I would be shocked if Gov. Desantis signed this into law, if it passes.
I hope he doesn't but I was equally as shocked that Scott signed the red flag laws here in Florida. And to make it worse, the Sheriff of my county claims to be pro 2A but has served several red flag warrants himself. So unless he grows a set like they did in Virginia then we may be lost down here. :mad:
 

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I would be shocked if Gov. Desantis signed this into law, if it passes.
The Governor doesn't have a say in the matter, its a constitutional amendment, which is voted on by the general population and needs a 60% majority to be enacted.

The attorney general has recommended that the Florida Supreme Court not permit it on the ballot as the language is misleading. It doesn't just ban evil assault weapons, it bans almost all semi-auto firearms, "sniper rifles," and possession of firearms by people who have been investigated twice (not arrested or convicted, just investigated) for domestic violence.

The amendment is flat-out unconstitutional. It allows anyone to veto anyone's 2A rights by simply calling the police twice and making a complaint that the person is committing an act of domestic violence.
 

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That's why mine are OD green with a few in camo patterns. ;)
I don't have any and if these democrats get their way, I never will :mad:
 

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Even CT, NY, MA and a few other states didn't go after their state constitution, at least yet anyway. They just passed laws largely ignored by the gun owners. But they are trying very hard as we see in VA.

This may all get "spicy". At some point, people will rebel. It won't be pretty. When CT passed their stupid laws I simply moved any impacted weapon or mag out of the state. No need to register them at all. I admit that may have been a chicken**** move but it made sense because I thought I was moving ... but it's been 5 years now and I still haven't found the place to move to.

I briefly looked at VA but seeing what is going on there, not a prime location. Looked at both FL and KY but I gather neither are great for a gun guy, although KY is putting up a good fight. Bless them Kentuckians ! :D: Patriots there.
 

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I admit that may have been a chicken**** move but it made sense because I thought I was moving ... but it's been 5 years now and I still haven't found the place to move to.
I don't see it that way, I see it as smart. That way you can still get access to them if you need them but you do not end up behind bars because you own them.
 
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Don't worry, Donny Bumpstock has our backs. /s

... for the rest of this year, at least. God forbid what the next 4 years may bring. If the Donny of not-too-many-years-ago rears his anti-AR head then we're all in trouble.
 

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Here in NY, while very few registered their rifles, many are set up to be "compliant" . Either with fixed 10 rd magazines or without features ( muzzle devices, pistol grips etc).
Others just said EF-it and left their rifles as is and keep them in the shadows.

Another side effect of these bills is that many vendors will not ship to NY. As in NOTHING even if it does not fall under the "assault weapon" catagory like black powder rifle kits.
Very few ammo vendors will ship to your door. Some will ship to a FFL.
Part of our safeact ( gun control law of 2013) calls for a background check with each ammo purchase. There is no BGC as there is no database to check against.
Doesn't matter. Vendors don't want to deal with the BS.

Organize and fight it.

NY was screwed as NY City has way more population that are anit gun and gun owners did not get off their butts to vote out these bums.
VA is better off as they've seen what has happened and their state is not near a blue.
 
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