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HI!! - I'm baaaaack...

This is where I introduced myself:

Lynnwood, WA 98087
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=22840

When I woke up to reality, I realized I was TOTALLY unprepared for anything that one needs to be prepared for, so I joined here, did some basic research and started preparing to the best of my ability. I have sold many things, reorganized and literally looked at every possession I have and reassessed my life in terms of survival. Major mind shift. I bought $800 worth of food with survival in mind (as much as I am able to discern what that would be), kerosine heater, sleeping bags, walkie talkies, camping basics, an "xPower 1500" (portable household power) that will run my laptop and wireless gateway for 16-20 hours, water storage, 2 spare full tanks of gas, etc. All that since I registered on 8-18, and on a limited budget. Let's just say I had a VERY rude awakening, and I am not taking this lightly. I will beg, borrow and even think about stealing! whatever it takes to get ready, ASAP. Top F'n Priority, Numero Uno, Period.

I don't know yet how long I will stay, so I am preparing both scenarios within my budget.

Next, I am getting a tax return (surprise to me) of about $1400.00 (in about 1 month, but I found out today) -- I can throw another $500-$600 or so at that $1400 for $2k total for a camper/motor home/conversion van, something besides my very tiny Chevy Aveo. In a SHTF scenario, I could take both because I took in a very handy homeless man that is helping me prepare (we do something, every day), -- and I feel obliged to take him for a couple reasons (he can legally own a gun, I can't buy one), and, I am alone--scary. He has taken on preparing the emergency BO aspects, I am doing midrange and covering all costs of both. I only use banks to cover specific checks and have reprioritized finances and spend every extra dollar on this project.

I looked on Craig's List to see if $2k can buy a BOV, and Thank The Lord!, it can. It may not be a Hummer, but it will have character and get me out of town. There were over a dozen campers/motor homes/conversion vans that I would look at, all running, all sounded decent in fact. A couple sounded fantastic because of motivated sellers.

There are a lot of differences and some come with propane, extra tanks, toilet, shower, inverters, sink, dual gas tanks, various gas milages & engine types, 4WD on some, extra tires some with studs, extra H2O storage, RV hookups, different ways to generate AC, fridge, bathroom, all the stuff that make them self-contained and the many possible extras I see listed from ad to ad. Original owner on a couple, 2 rebuilt engines w/low miles, one had a CB radio, another a lot of spare parts, one was parked in a garage for most of 20 years, etc... The ages and vehicles and sizes vary considerably.

My question is, with SURVIVAL in mind, what are the most important features? What are the considerations?

I would really appreciate some input and advice on this. I also think I have moved forward enough (from inertia) to start looking at the preparedness lists that are available here. I'll be in and out regularly for the next few days till I develop another new plan to conquer and execute!

Thanks in advance!!!

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Also, I have no place to BO to. Is there a good past thread here about how to figure out where to go and what makes a good place?
 

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HERE ARE THE ADS I LOOKED AT TODAY - Keep in mind these are examples, I am starting to watch the market as I wait for my return in the mail.

Examples of what's out there in my price range (all, including the cheap ones that run) campers mixed with motor homes.

1972 Ford Roll-a-Long - $2200
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/rvs/877844859.html

1977 Class c Monoco motorhome - $2400
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/rvs/873402328.html

nice motorhome - $1700
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/874279294.html

(Motivated) - Lost Job Must Sell - $1800
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/880167455.html

75 23' motorhome - $1500
http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/rvs/880233484.html

1971 CHEVY – SELF CONTAINED RV - $2200
http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/rvs/877022335.html

1976 Dodge hightop camper van - $1500
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/rvs/876970101.html

Camper Van - $1900
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/876207089.html

78 GMC C25 and 79 CACSADE Camper - $2000
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/rvs/878355202.html

truck and camper for sale hunting ready 4x4 - $1500
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/rvs/877936702.html

1972 Ford F-250 (3/4 ton) longbox pickup,16 inch tires, Free Camper - $1750
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/880346401.html

1974 Ford 3/4 ton pick-up with 1969 camper - $1500
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/872738676.html
 

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Pithiny-

It's easy to get worked up in times like this, but remember slow and steady wins the race!

Do not go heavily into debt to get prepped right now. That's never a good idea. I know quite a few folks that figured the banks would "stop working" after y2k and ran up CC debt (some prepping some just being lazy arses) that had a VERY rough row to hoe the next couple years after y2k.

You have to balance your prepping. A room of cool gear including body armor and helmets for your dogs and gerbils and $5K in credit card debt isn't smart!

Not saying "you" are doing that, but I've seen how folks overreact to situations like this- 87, 91, 96, 98-99, after 9/11/01.

This is one of the reasons old timers will say "prep REGULARLY." If you just run out when times are tough and play "catch up" on stuff you should have been doing all along, well it sometimes snags you financially.

I'm not big into "budgeting" but it DOES help. We "budget" XXX dollars a months towards preps. That being said, if I find a heckuva "deal" on something, I'll go slightly over that number if:

1. The item(s) are a bargain- i.e, at least 20% off.
2. I'm gonna need that item at some point in time or plan to buy it in the future.
3. Doing so won't screw me up next month.

Still I'll usually research it a little more, wait overnight and think about it (if possible).

A few examples from recent history-

*Canning jars, usually $9.00 a case, on clearance for $5. We used over 400 this year so this was a no brainer.

*Rice (back in march)- commodities market price started going up, it was only a matter of time before it reached the retail level. We didn't per say "need" any more, but we use it pretty much daily, pack it for long term storage and since it was CLEARLY EVIDENT that prices were fixing to go through the roof on it, we bought more at $16. per 50 lbs. Sure enough, less than a month later it was going for $30.00 a bag with "limit 4 bags." Will it go back to $16. a bag? Perhaps, but if it doesn't, I've still "saved" (spent less) money. Packing for the long term and rotating years later has shown me the financial gains for this. We are eating rice that originally cost $14. per HUNDRED lbs. now- saving $46.00 per hundred right now. Storing food makes financial sense.

So be careful that you don't go overboard and get yourself into debt right now. That could come back to bite you in the butt before too long!

Sounds like your doing fine! Congrats!

Lowdown3
 

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Listen to Lowdown3. take your time. Don't buy a rolling hole in the road if you don't have your other preps in place. take it one day at a time. Set goals to get to 72 hour kit in place then 2 week kit in place and then 3 month kit in place. use your money wisely. You will be okay. Survival is a state of mind. You will be fine. Stick with us. At least you came back. SO many people make the first move to come to the site and after a few posts move on back to where they were.

When you get discouraged and you will, remember you have friends here. You will get through.
 

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Thanks!! - But, please know I am not spending any money I don't have IN HAND. This means cold hard cash. I have no credit cards and carry no debt, except a car payment..

The food I bought, I would eventually buy to eat anyway, I just bought WAY in advance, and I will rotate the gas, the water comes from a natural spring. I don't camp per se, but I will begin to, so I can figure out what I need in that situation.

My post may sound frantic, but I AM taking it slow and steady, but when I realized how UNprepared I was, I feel I need to get to a certain point of readiness with a quickness. I mean, there was a day about 90 days ago when I was going from room to room looking at all my "stuff" and I got really, really scared. I had 2-3 days of food! Lots of Junk that I don't need. This is a labor of love, my new "hobby" and yes, I am a bit obsessed, but in a good way!!

I have between $500-$700 a month to spare that I used to blow, that I am now funneling into survival preparedness...I could curtail my activities and get that over $1000, but $500-$700 a month is effortless, just rearranged my priorities.

I will look around here for the lists; 72 hour kit, 2 week kit, and 3 month kits, although I am fairly sure I am good for way over 3 months here in the city, except for communications, water storage, and I have no water purification method yet, nor potassium stuff for nuclear, nor masks etc for biological situations, no first aid except for what I had, which is better than the average house...

Doing this project has given me a new sense of security and peace, and I will not slow down until I am further along. I refuse to go into debt for any reason, but I still would like to have a way to LEAVE for 2-3 months, hence this post because of my tax return $$ allowing me an opportunity to buy a BOV and stock it.

THANK YOU SO MUCH for your concern, but I am really ok.

~~Pithiny
 

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Whoa there cowboy..... Your friend needs a gun. Your not going much of anywhere in one of the most gun laden states in the US behind TX,ID, MT and AZ, without one, in a SHTF scene.

Second the freeways where you live are garbage during rush hour let alone a universal vacation. How do you plan on getting out if that is the intention. The islands will be full of everyone who has a boat. The freeways north will be jammed to the border with folks hitting the alcan. That leaves south. (no don't think about it) or west which means you have to go across the valley north of carnation. (another poor option)Thats going to be where everyone pools up and turn in to a killing field very quickly. You need to let the first waves go about a week ahead and get some intel on how it turned out before you bug out.

Think on this for a bit and if you want to talk it all out I'm here.
 

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Whoa there cowboy..... Your friend needs a gun. -- (RECEIVED THE MESSAGE)

Think on this for a bit and if you want to talk it all out I'm here.
Yes, I am far enough along to give this serious consideration. My sister owns a cabin in Glacier...here's the general area "from" my zip code "to" the tiny town her cabin is near: http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=G....034416&sspn=0.124289,0.30899&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=8

Would this work? I am sure in the event my family was forced out of the city rubbing sleep from their eyes, this is the first place they would think of. Found an alternative/off I-5 route: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sad...2738,-122.107544&spn=2.00977,4.943848&t=h&z=8 -- and I'm sure there are more...Google Maps has a cool feature whe you tick off the "avoid highways" option, and enter different zip codes or intersections. Makes it easy.
 

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Yes, I am far enough along to give this serious consideration. My sister owns a cabin in Glacier...here's the general area "from" my zip code "to" the tiny town her cabin is near: http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=G....034416&sspn=0.124289,0.30899&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=8

Would this work? I am sure in the event my family was forced out of the city rubbing sleep from their eyes, this is the first place they would think of. Should I find an alternative/off I-5 route?
This is the route I would take,maybe a bit slower,alot less population to get through.

http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=G....034416&sspn=0.124289,0.30899&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=8
 

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If it reaally gets bad I-5 will be a parking lot for days with people trying to take the AlCan highway to Alaska. The other options take you off it a ways but you will need to get back on again about halfway.

The second one on 9 is the only real option. Remember though the fall rains bring flooding to those valleys till spring. Some of the bridges can wash out and the roads flood over with the rivers.

If that is your plan I would have most everything landed and locked down there, and possibly get an on/off road bike like a 125cc and take a pack and saddle bags/w extra fuel. Gas stations
along that route are far enough in between, if you miss or they are not up and running...... Plus you have a cool adventure toy till you need it so its not just growing a moss feild in your driveway. You can actually have some fun with it in the off time.

Thats pretty wild country too so you better have the good sort of water filter if you get stuck for a few days while traveling. With any luck it should only take a couple hours, but you need to count on thousands trying to go the same time you do.

Fishing boats will always be running. You could trade work for passage for you and your bike. Just some thoughts. If it came down to that, its an option.

How remote is the cabin? Will you be walking in to a country feud when everyone shows up or do you have some buffer space? How secure can you get the place in 24hrs? What if you walk in on squatters?
 

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I took in a very handy homeless man that is helping me prepare
Sounds like you're doing alright there, certainly have a lot more $ to throw at preps than most of us. My main concern for you would be the one sentence above. Most of us don't reveal our preps to ANYONE. You have some guy you barely know loading up guns and preps and now you're buying him a vehicle to haul it all in. Are you quite sure he and your preps aren't going to be gone one day when you get home from work?

Clearly I don't know you or him and I'm not suggesting that you haven't considered this. I just thought it needed to be mentioned.:xeye:
 

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You have some guy you barely know loading up guns and preps and now you're buying him a vehicle to haul it all in.
Actually, he is an aquaintance for several years, used to live on the back deck of a bar where I bartended.....I am not buying him a vehicle, I would own my car and anything else I bought and only allow him to drive one of them in a bug-out situation. He was mugged on the deck after closing time in mid July and needed help badly, so I took him in just about the same time I woke up to the Big Reality, and the situation morphed into him helping me get rid of stuff, move stuff, build a pantry, research gear, etc.

If I decide to "lose him" I can do it. My situation calls for me to move anyway, as I have two roommates that are unaware of all the changes in the garage (need a key to go IN or OUT), but right now the roommates are financing all the work. I am thinning out drastically and will be downsizing to a smaller place, and Dave might not go with me.

And no guns here, YET.
 

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5K in credit card debt isn't smart!


its smart if you plan on leaveing and never ever comeing out of the bush then you have an extra 5k to spend.. downside is if you stay you goto to pay..
 

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pre-print all your routes or even take a few trips following them. google might not always be there for you. get topo and road maps of the area and laminate them. if you can afford it i suggest to get maps of your whole state and laminate them.
 
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