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How many of you here has tried/experimented practically how to try to realistically survival hunt with primitive weapons/tools out in the wild? I know a lot has been said and written about it by armchair survivalists, but who here can share real life experiences and tips with us?




also see the thread 'hunting stories and outdoor photos from Africa' under the hunting forum
 

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Unless you can take large game or are by a large lake/river it's really hard. Greens provide very few calories. Squirlls, wild rabbits and most birds are 300-500 calories each, if you eat most of the meat. You spend most of your time getting food.

Near water with big fish you can do better. Trot lines and auto fishers. But it's not sustainable long term for a group of any real size.

It's really easy to starve to death eatting lots of greens, berries and small game every day (and only hitting 1k calories or so.)
 

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Yes, on all what you say I agree---but have you tried it personally before? I'm really interested,as you are on the other side of the world [usa?] from me [africa] , and I want to compare notes...:thumb:

 

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How many of you here has tried/experimented practically how to try to realistically survival hunt with primitive weapons/tools out in the wild? I know a lot has been said and written about it by armchair survivalists, but who here can share real life experiences and tips with us?

I have been out twice, for six months at a time. I have been out MANY times for 30 days. I have been out countless times for two weeks at a time. All primitive. I spent two months out of the year, for eight of the last ten years, teaching outdoor survival to select military personnel. So, I guess you can say I've "tried" it.

Want a tip?

DON'T injure yourself by being careless. I broke a finger once, while building a primitive, stone fish trap on a week long outing once. Broke it on the third day (if I remember right). Finished out the week, but it was one of the most miserable things I've ever done. Try starting a friction fire with a freshly broken finger... Unpleasant.

If I had been in a true survival situation, It WOULD have cost me DEARLY.
 

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OP you need to look into trapping. Many advantages over active hunting. Can be done with primitive means. Can be very successful which is why it's highly regulated and in most cases illegal. As for personal experience with hunting, the most primitive for me is with a bow. Though I routinely get close enough to deer that I could take one with a spear. It would be violent with a serious risk of injury so it would be a last resort. I could survive on fish 9 months out of the year. I get a lot of practice. Know your area, know the animals. People who think they can just all the sudden become a successful hunter/gatherer without any experience are destined to starve.
 

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Good morning guys,-I must apologise right at the beginning that I forgot for a moment that we do not know each other at this stage...

I'm working in Bahrain but living and hunting in Africa.



These days I mainly do solo hunts without dogs on warthog with my cs boar spear, but I also use some of my other 'primitive' weapons to dispatch some wounded critters,mainly to 'test' their practical effectivity out there if maybe one day I am forced to use one .....

As you can see here on a previous photo,it penetrates right through [slicing ribs ,organs etc,etc]--a fearsome wound channel!- It's all about honing your stalking skills and learning to closely observe your prey and nature,but if you get close enough and connect--that warthog is a goner. To keep it ethical,chance-takers and ego hunters best be discouraged,as its NOT about taking a chance if you get frustrated after yet another busted stalk!,
Only if you respect your quarry,and somehow manage to get within range,AND have a clear shot,only then you take it--you NEVER TRY to hit it--its a total different [ethical] hunting philosophy from some other hunting disciplines [hunters] where you anyway attempt to take a [difficult/not clear] shot [wind,distance,2nd animal behind, a twig in the way,sit and drive nearer on a vehicle,only trigger finger do some exercise etc,etc]

You must have a total new mindset and hunting skills to hunt ethically with a spear--but it's worth it!
There are a whole range of other ways to cull, shoot,kill, hunt etc warthogs-not what I'm talking about here--get out there, get [uncomfortable?] sunburn,thirsty,tick bitten,tired, dirty etc,but feel satisfied and content at the end of a hard day that you have tried your best ,have learned something new,and have new respect and are in awe with how wonderful nature is!
Keep it ethical and enjoy a whole new hunting world opening up for you [ as it did for me as an experienced rifle,handgun and bow-hunter for more than 40 years]--Be patient, and remember, It's the hunt and not the kill that matters!

-if there is a storytelling section somewhere here, I would love to share some experiences with you knowledgable good people...
 

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OP you need to look into trapping. Many advantages over active hunting. Can be done with primitive means. Can be very successful which is why it's highly regulated and in most cases illegal. As for personal experience with hunting, the most primitive for me is with a bow. Though I routinely get close enough to deer that I could take one with a spear. It would be violent with a serious risk of injury so it would be a last resort. I could survive on fish 9 months out of the year. I get a lot of practice. Know your area, know the animals. People who think they can just all the sudden become a successful hunter/gatherer without any experience are destined to starve.
You beat me to it. Trapping is the key.
 

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thanks cleatis ,redtail ..



a bit more background as requested,as I'm a bit more interested in the hunting side than the survival side for the purposes of this thread.
I am an experienced hunter for many many years [different animals ,different calibers/tools,different terrains ect,ect], and it seems that we can have a very nice and meaningful exchange of ideas and experiences about this around this cuber campfire in future, but...



--for the purpose of this thread, I would love to hear and learn and share spear hunting pigs,hogs ,warthogs etc. stories/experiences etc. I've seen the footage and read the reports of feral pigs numbers that are getting dangerously high in certain places, and must be culled by any means [its necessary and I've done it myself in the past where need be, but thats not the ethical hunting that I want to discuss here..]

There is a huge difference between hunting,culling,shooting , trapping and poaching---each a different topic on its own..



I have taken up solo spear hunting warthogs a couple of years ago--a new idea and practical outdoor [survival?] scenario,and see it as another truly ethical hunting skill --not many people around the world [except for some substance indigenous primitive native tribes here and there] and also maybe for a tv [rating?] here and there are doing it.



This concept/method is very specialised, but could be of immense value in future to some in a survival situation if need be...



I understand and respect that most of the members here are probably urban city dwellers with a different perspective and priorities in their own build-up environment [food,water, self defence, viruses etc,etc], and it is all extremely important and relevant, hence this thread and topic would probably not have entered their thinking world yet-and it's ok.



We are also preparing for these and other scenarios here when /if SHTF ,and know that knowledge is power.

lol--and no,being from somewhere in Africa,me and my group are not 3rd world uneducated primitive heathens with no idea or experience of what we are talking about or what's going on elsewhere..lol!

Like I've mentioned earlier,I came from a different background and location in the world than most here and would wish to focus on a very narrow and specialized topic [this thread about spear/primitive hunting ] if possible?

Love to learn and hear from all you good people!

[sorry,I can't seem to attach photo's at this stage]

 

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Good morning guys,-I must apologise right at the beginning that I forgot for a moment that we do not know each other at this stage...

I'm working in Bahrain but living and hunting in Africa.



These days I mainly do solo hunts without dogs on warthog with my cs boar spear, but I also use some of my other 'primitive' weapons to dispatch some wounded critters,mainly to 'test' their practical effectivity out there if maybe one day I am forced to use one .....

As you can see here on a previous photo,it penetrates right through [slicing ribs ,organs etc,etc]--a fearsome wound channel!- It's all about honing your stalking skills and learning to closely observe your prey and nature,but if you get close enough and connect--that warthog is a goner. To keep it ethical,chance-takers and ego hunters best be discouraged,as its NOT about taking a chance if you get frustrated after yet another busted stalk!,
Only if you respect your quarry,and somehow manage to get within range,AND have a clear shot,only then you take it--you NEVER TRY to hit it--its a total different [ethical] hunting philosophy from some other hunting disciplines [hunters] where you anyway attempt to take a [difficult/not clear] shot [wind,distance,2nd animal behind, a twig in the way,sit and drive nearer on a vehicle,only trigger finger do some exercise etc,etc]

You must have a total new mindset and hunting skills to hunt ethically with a spear--but it's worth it!
There are a whole range of other ways to cull, shoot,kill, hunt etc warthogs-not what I'm talking about here--get out there, get [uncomfortable?] sunburn,thirsty,tick bitten,tired, dirty etc,but feel satisfied and content at the end of a hard day that you have tried your best ,have learned something new,and have new respect and are in awe with how wonderful nature is!
Keep it ethical and enjoy a whole new hunting world opening up for you [ as it did for me as an experienced rifle,handgun and bow-hunter for more than 40 years]--Be patient, and remember, It's the hunt and not the kill that matters!

-if there is a storytelling section somewhere here, I would love to share some experiences with you knowledgable good people...
That is one real badass knife.....Do you ever come across any huge deadly snakes that I am glad we don't have in my area of the USA ?
 

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That is one real badass knife.....Do you ever come across any huge deadly snakes that I am glad we don't have in my area of the USA ?
Oh yeah, for sure!
Here are some huge and extremely poisonous 12-15 ft Black Mambas...:eek:
 

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I've seen the Black Mambas on tv I was hoping you didn't have them......It's been said they are the fastest (14 mph) most aggressive snake there is..
I'm glad i'm thousands of miles away...LOL...
 

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lol--yea, depending on the terrain and job , shoes are an optional extra only for sissies [haha];)
it's usually too hot or again wet [clay] to wear shoes comfortably--in winter we will maybe sometimes consider socks and shoes....
with bare feet it is so much easier and quieter to stalk an animal....:)

one of our previous olympic long distance champions-zola budd-used to ran barefeet
and our national sport-rugby- for juniors [till 12-13] are played only barefeet

[lots of positive health reasons to be bare feet as well!] lol
 

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lol--yea, depending on the terrain and job , shoes are an optional extra only for sissies [haha];)
it's usually too hot or again wet [clay] to wear shoes comfortably--in winter we will maybe sometimes consider socks and shoes....
with bare feet it is so much easier and quieter to stalk an animal....:)

one of our previous olympic long distance champions-zola budd-used to ran barefeet
and our national sport-rugby- for juniors [till 12-13] are played only barefeet

[lots of positive health reasons to be bare feet as well!] lol
Positive health reasons !!!!!! NOT after checking out post #11....LOL....
 

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Look at the archaeological record. Surviving long term usually means procuring mega-fauna. Deer, elk, antelope today. Bison, mammoths, etc earlier.

Hunting as a group works best. Driving animals to comrades waiting in the right place. Abos used drift fences, blinds and the natural topography like buffalo jumps. Hunting solo is much more difficult.
 

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One thing Africa has plenty of is mega fauna. :) You are correct though, hunting as a group is most effective.

Sekelbos, I'd like to see more posts of your experiences. Interesting.
 

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Thank mtn et.al.

Also check out one of my other true stories/articles about my big black mamba snake encounter under the following thread;

Creepy stories from the outdoors. post no 4070

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LOL, I'm not much of a sports fan but I've heard the name Zola Budd in regard to the barefoot running many times. I'd not looked at a picture of her before and because of her name and before your post, I've always thought she was a South African black woman. :eek::


lol--yea, depending on the terrain and job , shoes are an optional extra only for sissies [haha];)
it's usually too hot or again wet [clay] to wear shoes comfortably--in winter we will maybe sometimes consider socks and shoes....
with bare feet it is so much easier and quieter to stalk an animal....:)

one of our previous olympic long distance champions-zola budd-used to ran barefeet
and our national sport-rugby- for juniors [till 12-13] are played only barefeet

[lots of positive health reasons to be bare feet as well!] lol
 
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