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I know the term "opsec" gets thrown around here a lot and that there are television producers trolling this site trying to hook the big one in an attempt to shake them down for prepper/survivalist information and possibly include them in their lame mockumentaries.. Serious preppers and survivalists would never knowingly volunteer information to these blood-sucking leeches, and i'd like to point out the fact that it's only the wanna-be preppers that have more money than brains that get represented in these "reality based" programs, series and documentaries (mockumentaries).

So basically what i am saying is quite obvious to most of the regular posters here, but for lurkers and everyone else that comes across a TV program that features survivalist-preppers and decides to perform an online search and ends up here, the people featured on those shows are posers and wanna-be's.


Having said that, I challenge any television mockumentary producer, featured survivalist or "Expert" to come defend yourself and your actions here in this thread. Until then you're all merely posers whooping it up for the camera and trying to $profit from the 2012 doomsday prophecy hype in december.


People's evidence part deux:
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=224084
 

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I agree with you on your assessment. Probably one of the most critical differences in those "preppers" and the ones you find on this board is their lack of understanding on how critical it is to keep some things (maybe MOST things) that you do as a prepper as confidential information and not to blab it to the whole world.
Also, some of the people on the TV show are quite naive in respect to some aspects of what will happen when shtf. Reference to the hippies that are living in a missile silo and the woman refuses to resort to violence of any kind for protection. This is not realistic and to state something like that on TV makes them an instant easy target for those that did not bother to prep beforehand.
I think all those preppers, like us on this board, are well intended and serious about what we do. But many have blind spots in some regard or the other. Me for example. I began prepping years ago, but my preps were guns, ammo, my survival skills and a few cans of Ranch Style beans and green beans. There was a little more than that, but not much. Then we expanded to desiring to have a full 30 days supply of food. Then we expanded to having a full 3 months of food. Then we have expanded to a full years supply of food, water, medical supplies, bug-in and bug-out provisions, communications equipment, fuel for cooking, fuel for transportation and much more. So no matter how sincere I was earlier in my prepping days, I was not near as sophisticated or good at it as I am now.

My desire and basic drive came from within me to do this, but much knowledge on how to practically apply it came from this forum.

I think those TV folks are probably sincere, but they really don't know how they just opened a huge hole in their chance of surviving by telling their plans to the whole world. They need to learn better or suffer the consequences.
 

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These docudramas are all the same, just with different characters. Doomsday Preppers, Hoarders, Intervention, Real Houswives, AxeMen ... this list goes on and on. They all protray people who are just a little crazier than the general populace, so the general populace can feel a little bit better about themselves.

If it didn't make money, they (NatGEO, Discovery ... ) would not do it. These networks don't care about the people they document or the cause they stand for. They would just as easily deficate on the same people who welcome them into their homes and lives on camera if they thought it would make them a buck.

It's not personal. They hate everyone equally.
 

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Hey now Snowdog, don't go dissin my Axe Men! :D:
 
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These docudramas are all the same, just with different characters. Doomsday Preppers, Hoarders, Intervention, Real Houswives, AxeMen ... this list goes on and on. They all protray people who are just a little crazier than the general populace, so the general populace can feel a little bit better about themselves.

If it didn't make money, they (NatGEO, Discovery ... ) would not do it. These networks don't care about the people they document or the cause they stand for. They would just as easily deficate on the same people who welcome them into their homes and lives on camera if they thought it would make them a buck.

It's not personal. They hate everyone equally.
Agreed. The producers and directors are blood-sucking leeches that need to make deadlines and turn a profit with their commercial advertisers. That's a lot of pressure, and corners will get cut, and facts get lost in the pre and post-editing fray

How is it these guys from the Auction Hunters and Cajun Auction Whatchamacallit Pickers programs week after week are able to locate priceless artifacts and rare one-of-a-kind Winchesters & Colts, gold boullion and Krugerrand coins; Paris Hilton's private stash..??

I blame This Old House with Bob Villa and Norm Abram for starting reality TV back in '79 on PBS!
 

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I know the term "opsec" gets thrown around here a lot and that there are television producers trolling this site trying to hook the big one in an attempt to shake them down for prepper/survivalist information and possibly include them in their lame mockumentaries.. Serious preppers and survivalists would never knowingly volunteer information to these blood-sucking leeches, and i'd like to point out the fact that it's only the wanna-be preppers that have more money than brains that get represented in these "reality based" programs, series and documentaries (mockumentaries).

So basically what i am saying is quite obvious to most of the regular posters here, but for lurkers and everyone else that comes across a TV program that features survivalist-preppers and decides to perform an online search and ends up here, the people featured on those shows are posers and wanna-be's.


Having said that, I challenge any television mockumentary producer, featured survivalist or "Expert" to come defend yourself and your actions here in this thread. Until then you're all merely posers whooping it up for the camera and trying to $profit from the 2012 doomsday prophecy hype in december.
couldn't agree any more. shows like these are what makes us all look like a bunch of crazies and make people raise an eyebrow at us rather than say, "hmm, that sounds like a good idea. i should prep too."
 

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I'm going to STRONGLY disagree with the OP. Nothing like painting with a nice, wide brush huh? If everyone doesn't do things exactly like you and for the same reasons, they must be wrong.

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Now while I don't for a second believe that NatGeo, Discovery, etc have our best interests are heart - I'm not about to begin labeling ALL those willing to be aired on TV as "wannabes". It simply isn't true.
 

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I enjoy the shows, but I find it kinda funny how one-dimensional they are. They are all preparing for one thing & have preps for that ONE thing.. I think a real prepper would be more well rounded than that.. There have been a couple good, well rounded people on the show.. Maybe not the best & brightest examples of preppers, but not completely crazy or weird. It's sorta like what you see on the news... Someone will get shot/stabbed/drown/etc and they always pick the most ignorant, bucktoothed, backwards hillbilly to interview & his/her opinion is supposed to mean something. Sometimes I think they do it just to throw a sense of humor into the tragedy.. Cause it's not like they COULDN'T find someone better to interview than that!

It's entertaining. It throws some nuggets out there for people & hopefully will start turning some folks' wheels, but that's about the only positives I can think of about it. It's very one-sided.. And they don't (at least as far as I know) tell you who these so-called experts are and they don't show you what they are prepping for or tell you what makes them "experts"...

There's been a couple families that are opposed to violence and guns & stuff. One kid said something to the effect of "you have all these people stocking up on guns and ammo & I think that's just stupid. If some armed guys broke into my house, I'd show them everything I had & let them eat & figure out if I could trust them or not, then while they slept, I'd slit their throats or something." << When I heard that, I though "WOW! what a moron!"

I thought the hippies seemed like nice people, but their little plan was shamefully sad. The only thing they had going for 'em was that they lived in a missile silo. I thought "gee, that's a shame. Oh well, at least they'll be happy when they die." lol And then I was like "what a waste of a missile silo!" LOL

The best ones (in my opinion) were the guy & his wife that lived in the storage containers.. They even trained their animals (for the most part) to get ready to bug out. LOL :) Also liked the gourmet foodie woman & her husband.. They spoke Tagalog (but pronounced it wrong.. taga logue.. It's supposed to be ta ga log.. I know, because I've dated guys from the Philippines & can say a few things myself).. I also liked the family that grows 90% of their own food & they make biodiesel.. Thought that the guy who delegated various tasks to his kids was cool.. He's the one who had the daughter that could weld & the son made that bow out of PVC pipe (which sorta seemed like a fail, but at least he's trying)... Then there was the axe-wielding forager guy.. He was pretty neat.. And the city survivalist guy, who foraged for food in the city. If you combined them all into one person or one family, you'd have ultra-mega prepper. LOL :)

I guess I think everybody on the show has some good ideas... But they're all just too one-dimensional. :/ I wish 'em the best, though! Hopefully they'll all be able to grow, like Wind Breaker explained about himself. :)
 

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I know the term "opsec" gets thrown around here a lot and that there are television producers trolling this site trying to hook the big one in an attempt to shake them down for prepper/survivalist information and possibly include them in their lame mockumentaries.. Serious preppers and survivalists would never knowingly volunteer information to these blood-sucking leeches, and i'd like to point out the fact that it's only the wanna-be preppers that have more money than brains that get represented in these "reality based" programs, series and documentaries (mockumentaries).

So basically what i am saying is quite obvious to most of the regular posters here, but for lurkers and everyone else that comes across a TV program that features survivalist-preppers and decides to perform an online search and ends up here, the people featured on those shows are posers and wanna-be's.


Having said that, I challenge any television mockumentary producer, featured survivalist or "Expert" to come defend yourself and your actions here in this thread. Until then you're all merely posers whooping it up for the camera and trying to $profit from the 2012 doomsday prophecy hype in december.
They have to incite drama. Let's face it, what we do isn't really all that interesting. I just came inside from splitting some Bocking 14 comfrey plants and planting them around my fruit trees. Not TV material.

Prior to that, I planted some perennial greens that I had sown in flats. These perennial greens mature earlier than annual greens (lettuce, etc.) by at least a couple of weeks. To me, this is a profound survival tool, as it adds literally 4% back to the length of the fresh eating season, and requires little to no effort to maintain. Not TV material.

Prior to that, I went and bid on a couple of jobs in order to fund improvements here at the homestead. Not TV material.

At no point did I shoot my thumb off, or claim that the Mayans were going to invade in 2012, or cite alien anal probes, or reveal a cacamame plan to lull invaders into a false sense of security and then slit their throats while they sleep. I'm just not made for TV.

Truth be told, the producers of those shows reeeeealy have to stretch peoples' patience to get most of their footage, and then they fabricate stories that "explain" what they film. Like the family who gets deliveries of pallets of food by tractor trailer at night, in order to get their preps stealthily. They did no such thing. The truck was late, so it arrived at night. Or the hippie preppers in MA who wouldn't say something stupid, so they pestered a neighbor about their lack of defense until he got frustrated and claimed that they would just feed the raiders and slit their throats while they slept.

You have to face the fact that a bunch of ignorant-as-**** ******** who are careless with guns and are late for their Darwin Award are a lot more interesting than people who buy a little extra because they can see the country slipping into socialism.
 

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Yeah, I wasn't too impressed with any of the episodes so far, in fact the only time we watch it at the station any more is if nothing else is on, and even then you can sleep. It just seems like a marketing thing to freak the ones on the fence out, to make the rest of us look like a bunch of idiots, and make some money. I don't see alot of seriousness given to the show. In fact if you listen to the narrator's tone, you can hear the sarcasm in his voice. It's like they told them "we'll give you money if you show us your stash, and let us poke fun at you." Just kinda irritating.
 

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I'm going to STRONGLY disagree with the OP. Nothing like painting with a nice, wide brush huh? If everyone doesn't do things exactly like you and for the same reasons, they must be wrong.

:xeye:


Now while I don't for a second believe that NatGeo, Discovery, etc have our best interests are heart - I'm not about to begin labeling ALL those willing to be aired on TV as "wannabes". It simply isn't true.
The shows are edited to make these people look goofy. If you look at the peoples' reactions to the "expert opinion" at the end, that isn't them reacting to the "expert's" opinion. The directors sat the families down and said, "Look at the camera and give me a confused face....now give me an angry face....now give me a smug grin...." The producers and directors then overlaid the audio from the "expert" over whichever facial expression would make the preppers look the dumbest.

If you want more on this, some of the people from the first few shows are members here, and I am just paraphrasing what they have already posted.
 

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No matter what they do, what they have done, what their plans are, they still get painted as nut jobs in the end to be laughed at and belittled for their beliefs by the network to amuse the sheeple and make them feel safe that nothing bad like that could ever happen, that prepping is bull**** and everything will be OK, help is on the way.

Tell that to the survivors of any diaster, genocide, economic collaspe.

The man from Tenn. that following the show got sent to the nut house where he was "cured" and has given up on prepping. Way to go normal people.
 

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These docudramas are all the same, just with different characters. Doomsday Preppers, Hoarders, Intervention, Real Houswives, AxeMen ... this list goes on and on. They all protray people who are just a little crazier than the general populace, so the general populace can feel a little bit better about themselves.

If it didn't make money, they (NatGEO, Discovery ... ) would not do it. These networks don't care about the people they document or the cause they stand for. They would just as easily deficate on the same people who welcome them into their homes and lives on camera if they thought it would make them a buck.

It's not personal. They hate everyone equally.
The amazing thing is people will stand in line to get on these shows. I know someone who went on one of these shows and she thinks she's a celebrity now. You could have an hour long show of people getting kicked in the peas and there would still be people fighting to get on it.
 

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I'm going to STRONGLY disagree with the OP. Nothing like painting with a nice, wide brush huh? If everyone doesn't do things exactly like you and for the same reasons, they must be wrong.

:xeye:


Now while I don't for a second believe that NatGeo, Discovery, etc have our best interests are heart - I'm not about to begin labeling ALL those willing to be aired on TV as "wannabes". It simply isn't true.
Doesn't do things exactly like me? I'm not including Cody & Dave, or Les & Bear, just the people on these new Discovery and Nat Geo Doomsday shows. You're entitled to your own opinion, but the fact of the matter is that survivalists get labeled as looney-toons by the MSM, and these new shows only add fuel to the fire with their phony-baloney, scripted content. Prepping for a specific scenario in mind is preparing to fail. I prep with the worst case scenarios in mind. If you live in California, it makes sense to prep for an earthquake or tsunami, but you should also be ready for other emergencies. Where i live there's the possibility of many different types of disaster emergency scenarios, and i'm nearly ready for any one of them, not just one specific scenario.

Like Harmless Drudge said, the average prepper leads an ordinary, average life, but does things with a specific intent; a little bit different than someone who isn't into the survivalist lifestyle mentality, but not looney-toons over the top crazy like portrayed in those doomsday shows. I priced batteries and pool shock at Chinamart and Homie Depot today--I can guarantee that the TV producers and viewing audience would be quite bored with my day to day prepping activities. I can't imagine the writer's block associated with trying to come up with a good new storyline for the next episode is like! Prepping is just plain boring. LoL





Yeah, I wasn't too impressed with any of the episodes so far, in fact the only time we watch it at the station any more is if nothing else is on, and even then you can sleep. It just seems like a marketing thing to freak the ones on the fence out, to make the rest of us look like a bunch of idiots, and make some money. I don't see a lot of seriousness given to the show. In fact if you listen to the narrator's tone, you can hear the sarcasm in his voice. It's like they told them "we'll give you money if you show us your stash, and let us poke fun at you." Just kinda irritating.
I wanted to point that out before. It also makes wonder if Mike Rowe was originally supposed to do the voice-over narration for the Discovery ch Bunker show... The narrator comes off sounding arrogant and condescending
 

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Doesn't do things exactly like me? I'm not including Cody & Dave, or Les & Bear, just the people on these new Discovery and Nat Geo Doomsday shows. You're entitled to your own opinion, but the fact of the matter is that survivalists get labeled as looney-toons by the MSM, and these new shows only add fuel to the fire with their phony-baloney, scripted content.
So what?


Prepping for a specific scenario in mind is preparing to fail.
Oh, I see why you care ... because you believe what the teevee is spoon-feeding you. :rolleyes:

It's been said over and over again ... in this thread... that the producers of the show are pushing the people to pick from one of the many scenario's they are prepping for. So you are choosing to believe what hollywierd is telling you rather than what other preppers are saying.

Good for you! :thumb: </sarcasm>
 
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