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I am looking for a Portable radio that will pick up and scan all traffic in a given area. I would like VHF-AM, VHF-FM, UHF, short wave and long wave. basically a radio that can transmit and receive almost any and all radio traffic.

If it is the end of days and some people are trying to get out on Citizen band or using a vhf bendix king or ken wood I would like to set the radio on automatic scan and just have it pick up active radio traffic like when you can FM radio channels. and then transmit to them if you wanted to.

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I am looking for a Portable radio that will pick up and scan all traffic in a given area. I would like VHF-AM, VHF-FM, UHF, short wave and long wave. basically a radio that can transmit and receive almost any and all radio traffic.
There isn't any radio that will "transmit and receive almost any and all radio traffic." Even if there was, you need a license to use everything except CB, MURS, and FRS.

A good general-purpose scanner will receive 95% of what's important and you do not need a license. Shortwave is nice but the average prepper can live without it. Most HF/shortwave receivers also include longwave; there is almost nothing on longwave a prepper would care about.

A good start is a mid-level scanner like the Uniden Bearcat BC15X. That one radio alone will put you waaayyy ahead of the curve. From there you can expand as you learn more and know what works for your area and what doesn't. Do not go out and buy a big pile of stuff with no plan in mind and do not think you can just put a radio on the shelf and forget about it until SHTF. Even basic radios have a learning curve...get past that part now while it's still easy.
 

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no such thing, you need to find the freqs that are in your area and then find a radio that will cover those freqs. My kit inclueds a Eaton am/fm radio and a Wouxun kg-uv6d. the uv6d does have a slow scan function and a very good FM radio but i'm in the market for a better scanner, i find that i'm missing a lot of info with the uv6d's scanning function because its not wuick enough to catch the transmitions.
 

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no such thing, you need to find the freqs that are in your area and then find a radio that will cover those freqs. My kit inclueds a Eaton am/fm radio and a Wouxun kg-uv6d. the uv6d does have a slow scan function and a very good FM radio but i'm in the market for a better scanner, i find that i'm missing a lot of info with the uv6d's scanning function because its not wuick enough to catch the transmitions.
Exactly, the Chinese Kenwood clones are good prepper radios since you can transmit FRS, GMRS, MURS, 70cm, 2m and a lot of frequencies reserved for emergency communications (know the laws and think before deciding to transmit on a freq that you do not have permission for). With that said, I think a good analog scanner is the second comms asset you should acquire. I have a Bearcat 125AT. Those two items will cover your "local" comms. An Eaton Shortwave is a good investment. You wont need to have it out all the time so you can pack it away and EMP proof it if you so desire. This would help you gather regional/national/world information.

If EmComms turns into something you find interesting it would be easy to build of those three items with mobile rigs and station setups to put you in communication with the world.
 

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Actually Amateur radio transceivers such as the Yaesu FT-817, or the Icom IC-7000 will cover most modes and HF, VHF and UHF bands. These are sometimes referred to as DC to daylight transceivers, meaning they cover a very wide range of frequencies. The FT-817 could be used portable with appropriate antennas, and it can use internal batteries. It would be a large man-pack type of transceiver. The IC-7000 is more of a mobile radio.
There are some other man-pack military transceivers made by Vertex, Racal, etc. that could do the job too.
 

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Actually Amateur radio transceivers such as the Yaesu FT-817, or the Icom IC-7000 will cover most modes and HF, VHF and UHF bands. These are sometimes referred to as DC to daylight transceivers, meaning they cover a very wide range of frequencies. The FT-817 could be used portable with appropriate antennas, and it can use internal batteries. It would be a large man-pack type of transceiver. The IC-7000 is more of a mobile radio.
There are some other man-pack military transceivers made by Vertex, Racal, etc. that could do the job too.
this is what I use
 

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I'm also looking at getting a few of the Baofeng uv-5r radios as hand outs...they are $75 each and give about 4watts of output...pretty damn impressive. Build quality is not outstanding but as long as you keep in mind that its not something thats bomb proof, i dont think that anyone will have any big issues
 

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The radio you want does not exist, unfortunately. Not only that, it is illegal to produce, as far as transmitting ability is concerned, in the US. Radios that transmit on Part 95 services, including CB, FRS/GMRS, and MURS, seem to be prohibited from transmitting on other services such as ham radio, even if they otherwise meet all the requirements. FRS radios are prohibited from having a detachable antenna. It is illegal to make modifications to Part 95 radios.

§ 95.655
Frequency capability.
(a) No transmitter will be certifi-
cated for use in the CB service if it is
equipped with a frequency capability
not listed in § 95.625, and no transmitter
will be certificated for use in the
GMRS if it is equipped with a fre-
quency capability not listed in § 95.621,
unless such transmitter is also certifi-
cated for use in another radio service
for which the frequency is authorized
and for which certification is also re-
quired. (Transmitters with frequency
capability for the Amateur Radio Serv-
ices and Military Affiliate Radio Sys-
tem will not be certificated.)
There are numerous little barriers like this to producing radios that can transmit legally on all the usual two way bands even with appropriate licenses where required.

It may be possible to legally make a radio that can legally do CB, FRS, GMRS, and MURS provided that it uses a separate non-detachable antenna for FRS, but no company has done so.

Note that that while some of the yaesu handhelds can receive 100kHz to 1Ghz, which includes the HAM HF bands, they don't have SSB demodulators.

The Baofeng UV-3R, and similar radios, can transmit Weather/Marine/Air frequencies within their band but is only legal to transmit on LMRS and Ham and then only with the appropriate licenses.

Radios such as the Yeasu FT-817/FT-857/FT-897 will transmit on most of the ham bands including HF, 6m VHF, 2m VHF, and 70cm UHF but not 1.3m UHF and can receive something like 100kHz to 1Ghz including CW, AM, FM, Narrow FM, and SSB which would cover most of the 2-way voice services. However, they don't decode trunking or P.25 digital systems that many police/fire/commercial users have switched to.

Many ham radios can receive weather radio transmissions. However, most will not continuously monitor them while tuned to other bands, will not wake up when an alert tone is sent, and will not decode S.A.M.E. (to get alerts only for relevent counties).

You need at least 3 radios plus a Ham license and GMRS license to legally transmit on Ham, CB, FRS, and GMRS plus two additional devices to receive trunked or digital fire/rescue and digtal TV transmissions.

In practice, one would need at least the following for reasonably complete coverage:
- Ham HF/VHF/UHF radio such as FT-817/FT-857/FT-897
- A shortwave radio with full HF coverage and SSB reception - not needed if you have FT-897 or equivalent, though it will allow monitoring additional channel besides what ham rig is tuned to. Example: Grundig G3
- A handheld Ham Radio - redundant if you have FT-897 or equivalent but still handy.
- CB radio, preferably with SSB and weather capability. Consider PA capability if mobile
Examples: Midlant 75-822 is compact CB radio in microphone, can run off 12V or 6 AA batteries, lacks SSB and PA, has channel 9 monitor, weather alert monitor, $75. Uniden Bearcat 980, SSB, PA, weather alert (no S.A.M.E.), SWR meter, no continuous channel 9 monitor, $140
- FRS/GMRS radio
Example: Midland XT511 base camp, Crank-up, AC/DC, FRS/GMRS, weather alert (no S.A.M.E), AM/FM broadcast band, clock, flashlight, USB charger outlet.
- scanner with trunking and P.25 capability (or a laptop/netbook with USB SDL receiver and appropriate software) if your local police/fire/rescue have switched over. Note that a scanner is illegal in some states if you are mobile/portable though in some states this only applies if used while committing a crime.
- A portable TV with ATSC capability (or a laptop/netbook with USB TV tuner). Add NTSC, PAL, and/or DVB-T capabilities if you live in, or near, a country which uses those.
Example: Haier HLT71 with Philips SDV-1225T/27 (portable) or Clearsteam C2 (indoor/outdoor) antenna.
- AM/FM radio (may be incorporated in one of the ones above).
- A cell phone
- weather radio with alert and preferably S.A.M.E capability. In some cases, this
may be available in one of the above radios, though usually without S.A.M.E.
- A netbook/laptop or high end tablet/cell with the ability to encode/decode ham digital modes.
- Also worth considering are Satellite TV, Satellite Internet, Satellite Phone, and/or Satellite Radio.
- Suitable antennas. Examples: Windom/Off Center fed dipole (multiband HF), DBJ-1 or DBJ-2 (UHF/VHF ham), JTD2 discone (most UHF/VHF)
- antenna tuner
- Cables or adapters to power all these off 12V,
- battery, solar panel, and charge controller. Example canadian solar CS6P-240P 240W panel and BZ MPPT250 charge controller and large deep cycle AGM lead acid battery(s).


However, you do get fairly reasonable receive coverage with a decent ham radio. Over the last few years, however, we have lost the ability to receive fire/police and TV audio in many areas due to the changeovers in those systems.

There is some software that can be used with funcube dongle or RTL-SDR USB SDR receivers (repurposed $20 european DVB-T TV tuner) to decode P.25. These cover roughly 64Mhz to 1.7Ghz with some minor gaps.
HF converters are available in kit form. A netbook with an ATSC TV receiver and a RTL-SDR or funcube dongle and an HF converter can receive almost everything.

You cannot legally transmit on most bands, other than CB, FRS, or MURS, without a license, including in an emergency. The exception is to issue or respond to a bon-fide distress call where there is an immediate threat to life or property. If you are not in an airplane in distress and you are not asking for an ambulance, rescue squad, fire truck, police car, coast guard cutter, or wilderness search and rescue team to come to your location, it probably does not qualify. Even then, you must be unable to use other means. And if neither the operator nor the equipment owner have a Ham/Marine/Air license, it is not even legal then by the letter of the law though it may be overlooked. And in the case where the equipment is owned by a ham, the equipment should be part of that ham's normal station(s), not loaned out to a non-ham. The permission to break the rules to issue a distress call is specifically granted to hams, boats at sea (not on shore), and planes in the air, i.e. trained and licensed operators, and not a general exception which applies to everyone. This has been discussed on other threads.

Ten-tec, icom, kenwood, elecraft, and others make ham radio gear. But the kenwood TS-2000 series and Icom IC-7000 are the only ones I am aware of which come close to the FT-817/857/897 in all-band/all-mode HF/6M/2M/70cm mobile capability and those appear a bit less portable. Neither brand covers the 220Mhz (1.3m band).
 

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If SHTF who could care about licenses? I mean.. wild west.. would the FCC still be funded and exist?
Without a license how would you know how to operate your radio? What freq would you transmit on? If the government implodes then no license will be needed but what about a natural disaster? Civil unrest? Networking with other like-minded individuals in civil times?

If you think you are going to buy ham equipment and store it away without getting any training or licensing then pull it out when the world ends and gather information you are delusional.
 

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I am looking for a Portable radio that will pick up and scan all traffic in a given area. I would like VHF-AM, VHF-FM, UHF, short wave and long wave. basically a radio that can transmit and receive almost any and all radio traffic.

If it is the end of days and some people are trying to get out on Citizen band or using a vhf bendix king or ken wood I would like to set the radio on automatic scan and just have it pick up active radio traffic like when you can FM radio channels. and then transmit to them if you wanted to.

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Well Rhode and Schwartz do a nice line in DC to Daylight Transceivers, but I'm guessing that like me, you don't have the GDP of a small third world country.
A Yaesu 897D will get you anywhere you need to go on a budget. :thumb:
 

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Without a license how would you know how to operate your radio? What freq would you transmit on? If the government implodes then no license will be needed but what about a natural disaster? Civil unrest? Networking with other like-minded individuals in civil times?

If you think you are going to buy ham equipment and store it away without getting any training or licensing then pull it out when the world ends and gather information you are delusional.
LOL...This is the very elitism that gives our hobby (that's all it is folks) a bad name. If you can read a manual..you have all you need to know... the rest is semantics..73's VK4/MW
 

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I have a lot of expense in preps and land. I also have a shortwave radio/weather etc. It is my opinion that my CB in a SHTF circumstance would be more for listening than any communicating. What doggie can't see or hear doggie cannot attack. My plan is ears open mouth shut. It is quite easy to triangulate signals with a few mobiles. I'd worry about those with no preps or even Gov people doing just that.

When it comes to this type of planning, the less around you that know what you have or have capability to do the better. Call me paranoid.. better than calling me dead.
 

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It is quite easy to triangulate signals with a few mobiles. I'd worry about those with no preps or even Gov people doing just that.
I hate to put a pin in your ballon, but triangulating signals is not very easy at all. Not only does it require some very specialized equipment, to pull it off you need at least two, preferably three, separate receiving stations with skilled operators placed fairly far apart. Chasing a signal with stock mobiles and omnidirectional antennas is no more than a glorified game of hide and seek. If you find them it's only because you're lucky.

Foxhunting requires only one relatively simple handheld antenna and less elaborate equipment but does not work well on lower frequencies.

Of course, the preceding point is completely lost on those who think being a properly qualified & licensed operator is for snobs.

In a strange way I am looking forward to the day when all the wannabes dig up those radios that they've never used even once and realize pushing a signal out more than a few miles requires real knowledge and experience. They derided the "elitists". Now they wish they were one.

It looks like experienced technical elitist guys will have excellent employment prospects post-SHTF.
 

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LOL...This is the very elitism that gives our hobby (that's all it is folks) a bad name. If you can read a manual..you have all you need to know... the rest is semantics..73's VK4/MW
Have you tried to read and understand the manuals that come with some radios these days?

Does the manual give you an understanding of where to listen and when?

Does the manual give an understanding of what you will need for an effective antenna?

For a few.

If you think just because you bought a radio and stashed it away in a faraday cage for when "that day" arrives makes you prepared, you may have a big surprise coming.
 

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In a SHTF world I would never ever transmit. Listen yes.. Transmit no. I got nothing to say at that point. Dog eat dog I'm not saying a thing. As for the other I had CB and other radios starting at age 15 in 1968 but quit around 1982. The only interest I have now is as a listening post.

As for a faraday cage..too overboard for me. In reality an EMP is highly unlikely since whom ever does it to us will get the same as a response. Will they risk that? I seriously doubt it. Mutually Assured Destruction. I think no one is that stupid.
 
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