All my pocket guns are securely in a holster.
The barrel had to be pointed up, strange way to pocket any handgun.
I do not get that part.

 

Yea, I dont either. Unless it was in a coat or vest pocket sans holster, and the ass end of the gun being heavier, worked things around and had the barrel pointing up.

Even so, sounds like a "perfect storm" of events would have had to take place. Not that they couldnt.

They really didnt report much on any particulars, like what the gun was, etc, so, it will likely be all a guess. And again, assuming the accident actually happened.

 

Sounds fishy to me.

 

Heard some inklings that it may have been a suicide. Who knows...

 

If you’re going to pocket carry you need to have it in a good holster and you don’t carry anything else in that pocket with your gun!

We may never know how many of the above rules he broke, but I’m guessing probably at least two!

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During the filming of a music video. Well, there should certainly be footage of it. Guns don't just "go off".

 

anyway a gun points in a pocket it can only rotate around that one plane and the bullet entered at the corner of the eye.
was he bent over his own lap?

 

I’m just trying to figure out why his Mom has a gofundme to move his body from Houston to San Antonio, and then pay for the funeral. And he was in the military, but she doesn’t know if they will do anything?

What is this world coming to? Was he broke? Is she broke? I don’t get it.

My cousin moved both his mom and his dad from Washington to Colorado to bury them....he is a LEO, so I don’t think his pay scale would compare well with a country singer. But he handled it.

 

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Sorry, but if it was an "accident" he was definitely not carrying it properly in the least. From the article in the OP

"Carter's mother, Cindy McClellan, told Fox News her son was filming a music video in Houston, Texas, on Saturday when a gun in his pocket "went off and caught my son in the corner of his eye."

That means the gun would've had to been in his pocket upside down, i.e. barrel pointing upward. I don't do as much pocket carrying as I used to, but I always used a trigger guard style holster. Some method of protecting the trigger is a must & you shouldn't be carrying anything else in that pocket trying to fish stuff out around the gun.

 

Sad. Not enough details. I was at a gunshow once and some guy had a pistol go off, the bullet struck the floor and then hit him the big cowboy buckle. No real harm done, other than the embarrassment of soiled pants.

I think they belong in a holster if they aren't in your hand.

 

Read an article right after it happened and it said it was a prop for the video they were shooting. Don't know how accurate that was, but the first thing that comes to mind is why would a "prop" weapon be loaded?

 

Ask Brandon Lee that. He died on set when the prop guy got live rounds mixed up with the blanks.

Back in the 90's, and actor was killed on the set when he took a handgun he was using, that was loaded with blanks, and put it to his head while fooling around, and pulled the trigger. Graveyard dead!

I was in a wild west show at a local amusement park in high school. We used "real" Colt SAA .45's with blanks. At 10 feet, a direct shot on your chest would set your shirt on fire. Most of us had a hole burned through the right knee of our jeans from trying to "fast draw". Blanks arent something to mess with if you dont know what youre doing. We learned that lesson the hard way.

Dont put the muzzle of a gun loaded with blanks against a mattress and pull the trigger either. The one that was in the "jail" cell smoldered for days after someone did, and we finally realized it was on fire on the "inside", a couple of hours later on, and threw it out back. :

Guns don't just "go off".

You have never run tests on various guns, have you? Tell you what, go get yourself an older Model 10 Ithaca Deerslayer shotgun and try feeding shotgun shells that have high primers in them to the Model 10. If the Model 10 trigger disconnect is engaged because of dirt or whatever reason, you will startled yourself at how many times you can set off that shotgun without ever pulling the trigger.

Guns going off when dropped was the reason why drop safeties were required in modern semi-automatic pistols too. Over the years, people have done all sorts of testing of firearms and found problems with many of them which can cause unintentional shootings/firings. Sometimes just putting pressure on the side of some guns, like a certain Japanese pistols (Nambu) from WW2.

All firearms are mechanical devices that can fail at any time. It happens. There has never been invented a foolproof mousetrap nor a perfectly safe firearm.

Some of the older guns didnt/dont have the safety features most have today. The older Ithaca's dont have a disconnector on the trigger, and will slamfire if you hold the trigger and work the action. I still have a couple that do.

The Nambu's youre referring to, had the trigger bars exposed, and the story Ive heard in the past, they were sometimes used by surrendering Japanese officers, to commit suicide while handing them over. Deliberate acts. Not that someone unfamiliar with them, couldnt shoot themselves or someone else.


Something sure does sound fishy here though. At the very least, its not making much sense, and the story just keeps getting stranger, if it was a prop. Then again, maybe it was, and he was a dumb ****, and did what the other actor did, a couple of decades ago, and they dont want that getting out

As with most other excuses gun related, its always the guns fault when things go wrong. :thumb:.

 

Guns don't just "go off".

You have never run tests on various guns, have you? Tell you what, go get yourself an older Model 10 Ithaca Deerslayer shotgun and try feeding shotgun shells that have high primers in them to the Model 10. If the Model 10 trigger disconnect is engaged because of dirt or whatever reason, you will startled yourself at how many times you can set off that shotgun without ever pulling the trigger.

Guns going off when dropped was the reason why drop safeties were required in modern semi-automatic pistols too. Over the years, people have done all sorts of testing of firearms and found problems with many of them which can cause unintentional shootings/firings. Sometimes just putting pressure on the side of some guns, like a certain Japanese pistols (Nambu) from WW2.

All firearms are mechanical devices that can fail at any time. It happens. There has never been invented a foolproof mousetrap nor a perfectly safe firearm.

 

And NONE of those guns just “went off”.

They were all caused to go off by outside forces, or multiple failures, or stacking tolerance failures.

Yes, crap happens...but guns don’t just go off for no reason.

 

Yup, youre right.

I had heard there were live rounds mistakenly purchased and involved, and that there was a mix-up.

 

I think you may be confusing the Brandon Lee death with that of actor Jon Erik Hexum

Having some personal familiarity with the Hexum death, it's another egregious example of someone not treating a gun as a dangerous tool.

Rule 1 and 2.....

All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.

Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. (For those who insist that this particular gun is unloaded, see Rule 1.)

Jeff Cooper


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About 3 years ago here,the PD was doing a demostration for concerned citizens,mainly seniorsShoot/don't shot usining sims..Yep,cop put a bullet thru the head of a 78 yo librarian.DRT.Pulled his service gun.

 

Maybe the gun was in a chest pocket of a vest or jacket and he bent over, the gun could've fallen out. I suppose depending on the gun it could fire.

 

Or he had help

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When I pocket carry in a cargo pants pocket and can say from experience that if you're jumping around/doing physical activity like running with a large enough pocket, the gun can flip itself in the pocket and change directions the muzzle is pointing.

My guess is that his jacket pocket was big enough to do that and since it says he was filming a music video, he was probably jumping around. As for it going off on its own, I dunno. Probably a Taurus.

 

When I pocket carry in a cargo pants pocket and can say from experience that if you're jumping around/doing physical activity like running with a large enough pocket, the gun can flip itself in the pocket and change directions the muzzle is pointing.

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Which means you're carrying it wrong.

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I pocket carry a lot.
The only time I don't use a good holster is when I carry a J-frame in something like jeans. Then the pistol is hooked on the pocket anyway.

Can't imagine a scenario where I have a pistol in a pocket that shoots me in the eye.
"One in a million, doc..."

 

I had a neighbor who was Ex-CIA who always carried a .38 Derringer with the barrels up in his jean pocket, he claimed he was taught this during training and was trying to get me to carry my mouse gun like that. He said that way when you pull it out it'll point quicker at the target then to have it barrel down, I've carried a few small autos in my pockets over the years but never with a round chambered.

I couldn't see anyone carrying a Striker fired pistol loose in a pocket or being gangster tucked in your belt, if and when I carry in my pocket in the orchard it's a snubnose .38 that has the transfer bar in case of a fall/drop any other guns gets a holster.

 

I couldn't see anyone carrying a Striker fired pistol loose in a pocket or being gangster tucked in your ......

I wouldn't carry one in a pocket like that. I do carry a 26 in a "sorta" pocket, a Smart Carry, and never had any issues. Been doing that for a number of years now, and in an atmosphere most don't normally encounter. I'm pretty active throughout the day, and not anywhere near a desk.

I've also carried a second, unloaded 17 just stuffed in my pants and after about a year and a half of doing that, never once found the trigger dropped. I even intentionally picked it up by the trigger and never had a problem. Not saying it can't happen, but if you're the least bit reasonable in your gun handling, I don't think it's the big deal you're always told.

I also know a couple of people who use theose clips that go on the Glocks slide, and have carried them that way for a long time, and never had an issue.


Anything you choose to carry should have the method vetted prior to doing it loaded. I carried my 26 in the Smart Carry for a couple of months with the chamber empty, and the trigger set, and went about my daily activities. Once I saw it wasn't an issue, I started to carry it loaded.

I also tried my hardest to get the trigger to trip while massaging the gun in it with the holster in my hands, intentionally trying to poke into the trigger guard, like something at work might do if pressed up against something. With the Smart Carry's I have, I've never been able to make it happen. That wasnt the case with the Thunderwear version. Trigger dropped with in a minute or so.

 

Does anyone know what make/model of gun?

 

Valid question, and no answers forthcoming. Kind of like my question about the Seth Rich shooting, and the brand of ammo. Somebody ought to have an answer on this one.

 

I'll put 100 bucks on Apendix carry for this one...

 

Could be. Shooting oneself in the eye is not usually considered one of the risks of appendix carry though. What makes you think that?

 

There's always more to these stories. https://abc13.com/rising-country-music-star-dies-in-accidental-shooting/5208751/

 

I think he was being faceefich, feceesh, facefch, .....a wise ass! :

 

“According to Atherton, a gun that was going to be used for a music video shoot was the same one that ultimately killed Carter at his apartment. ”.
The armourer on set let this guy take a prop gun home ?!

I know we have at least one movie armourer here

Is this common practice?

 

No... he was filming the video in his apartment... and the news articles all say:

"A gun that was being used as a prop".....


It wasn't a "fake" or "dummy" gun.... it was real... and apparently loaded.

 

Gun went off, for whatever reason, there are too many to count, in the pocket. Hit the femoral artery and he bled out. Happens during appendix carry too.

That's my guess anyway.

 

Gun went off, for whatever reason, there are too many to count, in the pocket. Hit the femoral artery and he bled out. Happens during appendix carry too.



That's my guess anyway.

Gun went off.. Hit him in da head

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Oh well one less pop country song

 

More than likely, one more, not one less, country song.

"My girl done left me for another guy
Dropped a gun in my pocket, shot myself in the eye"