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Old Git
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I bought one of these prince lighters just to compare it with my gernuine PB207 what a piece of junk, the flame comes out at an angle, theres not flame adjuster, the ignitor isnt working properly and even the instructions that came with it are for another tytpe of lighter.

You can still get PB 207s for about £35, but these things are very poor copies.

http://www.hill.u-net.com/blue-flame-products.html
 

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Sorry to have mislead you. I read a number of reviews claiming that they are the identical lighter.

http://www.stogiefresh.com/journal/...ies/A31D8437-00C4-4097-B9C5-EABCAB9026A6.html

No lighting or flame angle problems from mine, and assuming you have the same unit, the flame adjustment is performed by turning the small screw on the bottom around the refilling port... this may fix your ignition issue.

I took a look on the site with the 'genuine article' you posted, if you look at the new pb-10 below the 207 on the products page, it actually has the Prince logo on it. I wonder if maybe these are genuine equivalents, but the quality has dropped in the last 20 years?

Any chance of a side-by-side pic of your lighters for comparison?
 

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Blazer PB207 butane lighter comparted with Prince brand generic copy
(Cant get my Camera working so I'll do a quick text only comparison).
On first impressions they look very similar, but thats about the limit of similarity
1 The PB207s black plastic wear is dull semi textured type plastic like ABS and would probably absord small knocks and dings
The cheap version is made from a stiffer shinier type of plastic more akin to what you find in pens.
2 The Chain on the PB207 is very flexible 4 mm links chrome plated
The chain on the cheap model is less flexible 3 mm and looks like zinc plated.
3 The Castings and machine marks on the PB207 are clear, distinct and functional
The Castings on the cheap model are much less defined and shallow
4 The grill louvres on the head of the PB207 are clean clear and well machined
The grill louvres on the cheap model are not finish and not fully clean.
5 The Burner head on the PB 207 is much better machined to a higher standard than on the cheaper model.
6 The insulator around the burner head on the 207 is much thicker than the one on the cheap model, AND the cheaper models insulator is distorted and not straight.
7 The Ignitor wire on the 207 looks to be brass or copper and well fitted. the Ignitor wire on the cheaper one is aluminium and very badly fitted.
8 There is a very effective flame hight adjuster on the head of the 207 but nothing is fitted on the head of the cheap model.
9 The ignitor switch is clean, strong and very positive on the 207 and lights first time 9 out of ten times in a row.
The ignitor switch on the cheap model is stiff and feels sticky and lights only 3 times out of ten attempts.
10 The fuel refill point on the base is made from machined 1mm thick stainless steel on the 207
but only .5mm brass on the cheap model.
11 Viewing through the clear plastic fuel tank two things become obvious, the fill pipe on the 207 looks to be copper with brass fittings and about 4 mm in diameter, there is a full length plastic gas pick up pipe in the 207 allowing the torch to be used inverted without a flameout.
The fill pipe on the cheap model appears to be all brass but only 2mm thick, the cheap model does NOT have a gas pick up pipe for invertyed use fitted at all.
12 As far as I can tell the plastic of the fuel tank itself is slightly thicker, but only ever so slightly on the 207.
13 The tiny machine screws used to hold everything together appear to be much higher quality with much better machied screw heads on the 207.
Blazer PB 207 torches can be obtained from
http://www.hill.u-net.com/blue-flame-products.html for about £35
The generic version can be obtained from
http://evaq8.co.uk/POCKET-BUTANE-TORCH-Outdoor-Gas-Lighter/ for about £8

Summary, you gets what you pay for .
NR
 

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I have just had it confirmed from a Blazer distributor that Blazer/Prince are the identical product.

I guess the quality has lapsed over the years, although I still think mine is a great bit of kit.
 

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I have just had it confirmed from a Blazer distributor that Blazer/Prince are the identical product.

I guess the quality has lapsed over the years, although I still think mine is a great bit of kit.
I dunno, I'm certainly not doubting you, but the packet the cheap one is had a sticker saying made in China IIRC, and real Blazers are made someplace else.My mate daves 207 is identicle to mine and his is only a year old??
 

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I dunno, I'm certainly not doubting you,
Not a problem. Only reason I did a bit more research was to make sure I wasn't leading you good people up the garden path.

This is what the Blazer distributor said,

"No difference. Prince in Japan where they are made. Then named Blazer for export to the USA and Blue Flame for Europe."

I grant you the Prince does come with less packaging, however the plot thickens if your mate has a year old pb207 that is better quality. I have no clue... buyer beware is all I can say!
 

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hi a bit new to all this, but this seems about the going rate for a torch type lighter

my 'local' shop for stuff like this is soldier of fortune in corwen , north wales - they have asimilar item for sale for around the same price, just google for they're website and tap in code: SVL030

you can get all kinds of ones from deal extreme too, but i wouldn't like to comment on the build quality from there, the sof one seems well made though- i'm picking one up next time i pass through
 

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just as a follow up, i picked one of these up, and have to say i'm pretty please with it.

as you can see the cap is chained on, and the flat surface make it hard to roll off onto the floor


http://s212.photobucket.com/albums/cc317/urban_paladin/?action=view&current=GetAttachmentavvvspx.jpg

but the best is yet to come....


if you look closely you can see that little slide switch at the base of the burner- this keeps the flame running hands free, giving you a handy little torch- i've already had a go at braizing with it, works fine!

http://s212.photobucket.com/albums/cc317/urban_paladin/?action=view&current=GetAttachmentaspx.jpg
 

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Ok so what is it called, where did you get it from ?
NR

just as a follow up, i picked one of these up, and have to say i'm pretty please with it.

as you can see the cap is chained on, and the flat surface make it hard to roll off onto the floor


http://s212.photobucket.com/albums/cc317/urban_paladin/?action=view&current=GetAttachmentavvvspx.jpg

but the best is yet to come....


if you look closely you can see that little slide switch at the base of the burner- this keeps the flame running hands free, giving you a handy little torch- i've already had a go at braizing with it, works fine!

http://s212.photobucket.com/albums/cc317/urban_paladin/?action=view&current=GetAttachmentaspx.jpg
 

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I just picked one up, £4.99 from amazon.

Pretty good lighter. I tested it on a bit of paracord, melts it very quickly.
 
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