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As the dust is setteling after the bombing in Oslo and slaughtering of close to one hundred young people the official explanation is converging on the view that this was an act of a more or less crazy person acting alone. He is more or less displayed by the main stream media as a psychiatric patient, but at the same time a dedicated, well educated and fanatical anti-jihadist.
Even though it seems to have slipped the attention of the media and the police; some key points are hard to add up. The following is a step by step analysis drawing on the experiance and training of the authors. It is based only on what has been pubished by the media in Norway and the manifesto of the mass murderer himselv Andreas Behring Breivik (hereafter ABB). This manifesto carries detailed information on the actions of ABB in the years and days leading up to the attack. No alternative sources has been used.

1. The person
ABB has the classical "west side" child and adulthood of the norwegian capitol. A child of devorced parents, of higher than average intellectual capabilites his upbringing seem to have been more or less average of his demographic group. There are do accounts - direct or indirect - of him being molested sexually, nor is there any evidence of him comeing to severe bodily harm as a result of violence from his parents or 1. degree family members.
There seem to have been some classical tention between him and his stepdad (an officer of the royal norwegian armed forces) as his mother remarried. In his manifesto one can get the gut feeling that ABB is in some way or another in search of a fatherfigure - as this was lost early in childhood - ABB has not been in contact with his father since the age of 15. This is a common occurance in the norwegian population.
He started out his adult life as a member of the popular cult in the norwegian capitol at the time; the classical hip-hop "subcult" - he claims to have been a tagger - some sort of grafitti artist - and in his manifesto he seems to treat one of the more known grafitti artists in Norway as some sort of authority. He left this inviroment after being beaten my pakistani gangs of the capitol - his close friend, a pakistani, took part in the attack. It has also been claimed that he acted as a police informant.
He did one year of regular military service (mandatory in norway), but sought no further military education in the norwegian system.
ABB then resided in the liberal "progressive party" - but left as they, according to ABB, were unable to understand politics (in de facto the Progressive party members probably did not approve of his rigid system of belif).
He has never been seen with a girlfriend, but it is reported that he bragged about such escapades on numerous occations. Claims has been made that he was seen in the gay pride march in Oslo.
ABB then found his ideological home (se below) among the antimuslim ideologists of europe. Here his rigid claims on a war between the western civilization and Islam gave ressonance.
ABB has the ability to prioritize superficial factors - he at one point underwent plastic surgery - he wears makeup on the selfshots in his manifesto and visited a hairdresser two days prior to his "operation". This could be a result of upbringing in a socially shallow enviroment - or it could stem from a wish of acceptance.
The view exists within ABB, that even though he holds no professional training or vast experience in political analysis, his thoughts and ideas should be regarded as highly valuable - to the point were he comes close to being a saint or a prophet. He claims to be able to analyse the next 60 years of political development on the european continent. Even so, he seem fast to subject himself to the thoughts of authorities in the field in question; pointing towards a narsissistic trait,but infantile in character. He seems to be rigid and unable to change his views unless it derives from the teachings of what he sees as an authority - a father figure.
He seems completely unable to mentalize and understand the reactions and feelings of the poeple around him. His feelings and thoughs are all revolving around the metaphysical "knighthood" - his family and friends seem to be irrelevant (he left no messages for his mother, father or stepmother even thoug he expected to be killed as a result of his own operation).
The preoccupation of probability calculations (that holds no real value as they contain to many variables to be of any use) and his attention to detail represents psychopathology. He also choses to publish many of these details, including details about his mothers gyncological condition, without the understanding that this will discredit the picture he wants drawn by the media.
ABB harbours a massive, close to religious, admiration of the knights and their orders. This is in appearent logical conflict with his sexual habits - as a self proclaimed customer of prostetutes on several occations. The "knights templar" and the since long dead heroes of the european defence and reconquista in the wars with Islamic nations seem to function as party a father figure and partly as a rich internal world for a young man who seem to have failed socially on a number of occations.

In short; his personality traits seem to consist of
1) A rich internal world, in proximity to being dilutional, but representing purpose and fatherly guidance.
2) Extreme rigidness
3) The lack of ability to mentalize - understand the reactions, thoughts and feelings of others to where it endangers his operation.
The most probable condition explaining such properties is a partial Asberger syndrom - a common condition and from time to time found in military officers.
2. The ideology
The ideology of ABB is largely based on historical events of europe in the middle ages. He seems to identify himself completely with the knights of the period and their military undertakings. He identifies Islam as the major aggressor in our time, and what he calles "cultural marxism" is given the role of 5. colonists - enemy agents within. He claims that resistance to Islam would be futile before the cultural marxists have been destroyed - a logical and analytical claim should one accept his view on the present day situation.
Furthermore, he has warm feelings for Israel, partly because they share the same enemy as he does, but also because he seems to view jews as a skillfull race.
He calles himself antiracist as he, in his system of belief, sees no reason but Islam for why a human being would act uncivil (a view that must be seen in accordance with the incident involving his pakistanee childhood friend).
He supports gay rights, but belives that sexuallity should be confined to personal spacealone.
He holds great grudge against the decadency of the west - here he seems to limit this to the decreasing sexual moral in Norway since 1950ies.
As a conclution ABB seems to harbour the classical conservative views of the norwegian upper middle class, except for some opinions that probably derives from his own personal preferances. The facination of the templar knights seem to have a distinct immature trait and are nurished into the extremes, but not uncommon among his fellow freemasons.

3. Political contacts
ABB at some point tried to approach the norwegian socalled "far-right" with the intent of recruitment and/or "ideological guiedance. He was turned down.
According to his manifesto and information from the press, ABB had connections to the English defence legue and the european anti-jihadist movement. On some occations he is said to have met highranking representatives. This has not been confirmed. Apart from this, no known political contacts exist.

4. The operation
The analysis of the operation itself is best understood when broken down into the following factors:
a) Finances.
ABB himself claims to have financed the operation, partly through his own company (that went bankrupt several years ago) and partly through the use of credit cards. This claim is not probable, and as a result the financing of the terrorist acts remains a mystery. ABB includes details about his friends social and sexual lives, but no accounting information is included. He claims to have made 250 000 euros through his company E-commerce. This was used to finance the operation. In another passage he claims to have sold valuables; among other things a watch, a printer and a small collection of wines. However he gave away several paintings. His manifesto contains several contradictions and holes when it comes to finances. He notes expencive preperations, traveling to Prague and buying false identification.
The norwegian tax registry shows:
From 2000-2005 his average income was 16 000 euros.
2006: no income
2007: income around 600 euros, fortune increase to 80 000 euro
2008: no income
2009: no income.
E-commerce value at the time of bankrupcy: 20 000 euro
According to buisiness accociates, E-commerce never got the number of clients needed to balance the budget.

b) Chemistry
ABB had no prior experience with, or academic training in, the field of chemistry. Never the less he was, according to his own manifest and the mainstream media, able to conduct advanced chemical modifications in his basement. The explosive compounds produced seems to have had a high degree of purity - often hard to achive by skilled chemists.
No testblast was conducted.

c) Training and weapons
A Ruger mini 14 (caliber .223 - hollowpoint) and a glock pistol 9mm was used in the killings. He bought 10 30-round mags .223 and 4 30-round mags for the glock. The Ruger was equipped with Picatinny-scope base. Aimshot barrelmount with flashlight and lasersight was installed. The weapon carried a bayonet. The weapons were aquired legaly. ABB took part in around a doucen trainings with his pistol club. The targets were bullpoint and stationary. No rifletraining is mentioned. Neither does he mention where the alignment of his riflesights were conducted. (Fireing a rifle outside a controlled range or your own property would attention in Norway. ABB posessed no such property.)
ABB never recived any training using the Ruger mini 14 with the above mentioned equipment.
ABB has recived no military training except for basic introduction to the H&K G3 during bootcamp. He is not a member of any tachtical shooting-clubs and has no known access to a fireing range.

d) Surveilance
The manifesto carries abolutely no information about ABB gathering intelligence on his targets. It does describe in detail other undertakings in the days up to the attack excluding such surveilance. The manifesto contains no reflections on the security at the two locations.
Witnesses who claim they have seen ABB in a boat close to his secound target has come forth. These witnesses claim the boat in question was occupied by two persons.

e) The attack
The attack took place on the 65. year aniversery of the King David Hotel bombing of 22.july.
ABB was dressed in a tailor-made norwegian police uniform. He parked the rental car carrying the bomb outside the governmental HQ in oslo. The fuse burned for alittle over one minute before the detonation. The detonation was complete. The blastradius is close to a 45 sek. walk.
ABB then drove another rental van to the ferry dock close to the camp of the social democratic youth taking place on an island of a medium sized lake. From the timeline - apox 30 min- one can conclude that ABB used the highways and main roads.
He bluffed his way into the youth camp carrying the abovementioned weapons and ammunition. Upon reaching the island he was able to locate the police officer in charge of security. The police officer was one of the first to die.
ABB was able to fire apox. 200 rounds hitting moving targets on numerous occations. He used the sidearm to execute the wounded. As the young people were fleeing the scene, but finding themselves trapped on the shores of the island, ABB moved in a circular pattern around the island killing his victims. He had audio-equipment in at least one ear. later claimed to be his iPod. Some witnesses claim the presence of a second man working with him. The second perpetraitor was described as shorter than ABB (6`4``) and dark haired. Only cartrages stemming from ABBs miniruger and glock has been found. Except for ABB noone was arrested at the island.
Explosives were found. Details on the explosives are lacking from the public reports.

5. The conclution
ABB, while constantly inhibited by his Asbergers syndrome is claimed to have been able to:
1) Finance the attack, expencive travels, the rental of a ranch and his day to day living; a life containing expencive habits, including a BMW 3-series. He does this with close to no known income or fortune.
2) Aquire the components needed to construct an explosive device
3) Construct a lab and conduct advanced chemical modifications with no prior training
4) Construct a functioning bomb from the chemicals produced without the need for experiments. ABB has no engeneering experience or prior practical knowledge of explosives.
5) Carry out the mass slaying of close to 100 people over a duration of 40 minutes using weapons and sight systems that are, for all practical purposes, new to him and with out any military or other tactical experiance or education.

6. Prelogue and aftermath

a) Foreign political prelogue
In the weeks leading up to the attack by mr. Breivik, the goverment of Norway with the social democrats as the alphamale, made two major geopolitical desitions.
1) In the air attacks on Libya the royal norwegian airforce took on a leading role, and norwegian F16 jet flew over 500 groundattack-missions in the months up to the attack. The enemies of mr. Breivik did not like this.
2) The norwegian minister of foreign affairs formally upgraded the palestinian representative in Oslo to the status of ambassador. Minsiter Gahr-Støre also made it clear that Norway wanted to formally recognize Palestine as a souvereign state. The allies of mr. Breivik did not like this and formal protests were produced.

b) The aftermath
All major representatives of the norwegian government, including the prime minister and the king, left the capitol imediantly after the bombing. It is safe to assume that they were evacuated to a bunker north of Oslo built for such an occation. For six hours no official formally adressed the nation.
The first respons from the prime minister showed a man under severe stress, sweating heavily during the short interview. He was not short of breath. His only message was that the people responsible would not achive their goal of silencing Norway. At this point mr. Breivik was under arrest and his manifesto known to the norwegian secret service. The prime minister used plural pronoun to decribe the attacker(s) all through the interview.
This was also the case several hours later when the minister of justice and the prime minister gave yet another press conferance. Both positioned behind podiums bearing the lion symbolizing the norwegian government and flanked by norwegian flags they adressed this as an attack on the nation of Norway but disclosed no information what so ever, repreating the same non-deductable answers to every question from the press. The only journalist present to ask direct questions about the identity and affiliations of mr. Breivik was a foreign female journalist. There was no reply.
The debate following the week after the attack has been focues mainly on socialpornographical aspects of mr. Breivik and the attacks. Attempts have been made to link Breivik to the far right as well as the national socialist scene. The norwegian secret service has denied that any such connection exists.
No speculations have been made as to the logical contradicitons mentioned above, except for one of the victims writing in a statement that his first thought upon hearing mr. Breivik effectivly executing his way through a house the victim was hiding in, was that this had to be Mossad. As a retaliation, writes the victim, for the recognission of Palestine.

7. Possible wanted effects
It is feared that the comeing trial will be transformed into a propagandashow unseen in post war Norway. Mr. Breivik has already made his plans for this public and has demanded the right to wear his selfcomposed uniform representing his order of templar knights.
If able to achive this, Mr. Breivik will most sertainly draw positive attention from every norwegian youth with adaptational problems and bad experiences when it comes to norways minorities. One must expect that he, like any other mass murderer will achive some sort of cult status. He will probably be able to continue his writings while in captivity, adding to the problem. That is, of cource, unless he breaks down under the sleep and sensory deprivation used against high profile criminals in Norway.
His strong antimuslim rethorics combined with his actions could quite easily function as a guidance to the younger discontent generations of norwegians (up to 20% of norwegians aged 15-25 has invoked bodily harm on themselves, a figure that states clearly the social emergancy that exists below the happy norwegian surface). This in turn could result in attacks on the muslim population in Norway in the future, with a retaliation as a natural consequence. The name "Templar knights" is - due to events in middle eastern history - seen as highly provocative by many muslims.
This scenario overlaps the purpose of the English Defence League and Jihad-watch; to fuel the flames created by frictions between the muslim and the nonmuslim populations in Norway and Europe.
Another probable result is decreased liberties for the norwegian population, strickter gunlaws and a strangulation on every public discussion on problems relating to the muslim population, thus forcing any oposition into the hands of the "Templar knights".
 

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The implication (it is there) that he did not mix his own explosives and make his own bomb I disagree with. It isn't hard to make a bomb, but it is hard to make one that will do tremendous damage without simply making it bigger. In addition to that, it isn't hard to find the recipe and manufacturing procedure for just about any explosive known to man through careful searching on the internet. One needs no prior culinary training to bake a cake, nor does one need prior engineering or chemical training to create explosive compounds.

As for his rifle training, I'm sure plenty of people here haven't been formally trained but could do exactly what he did with weapons they had previously never fired. He bought them, he had plenty of time to familiarize himself with the weapon(s) operation and procedures. In addition to that, his introductory course to the G3 did involve range time and he was taught the basics of using a rifle.

Regarding the rest of the analysis I can't find any faults, and I concur with most of the conclusions.
 

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besides the abysmally poor spelling, I did not see anything on the explosive. I was lead to believe it was anfo. better baton down the hatches- here come the anti-gun nuts
 

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besides the abysmally poor spelling, I did not see anything on the explosive. I was lead to believe it was anfo. better baton down the hatches- here come the anti-gun nuts
Not only that, but what used to be quite regular opposition to government politics a week ago will be completely and utterly stifeled in the emotional sociopornographic national masturbation that the press has whipped up..

This is really the worst thing that could happen to free and open debate in a society. Rest assured you will see the consequences in the US as well!
 

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seems like to have the effect he wanted- he should of attacked people with his own values. False Flag


No wonder our own government is fond of it.
 
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Its not illogical to say hat he had outside investors.

The jihadhist use the same system.

You could make a cake with a recipe but if you mess up you won't blow up, you'll just get a crappy cake.

Something much much more disturbing lays below the surface.
 

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In savage and vicious attacks, the one common link in those attacks are that they victims are defenseless and not expecting an attack. This ABB guy attacked people by means of a camouflaged bomb and then deliberately attacked young people who were on an island not expecting to have anything except a good time. Timothy McVeigh used a bomb camouflaged or hidden inside of a truck to kill all sorts of people. Even Jack the Ripper in 1888 London attacked poor women who were prostitutes trying to make some money and not expecting to be killed by a knife-wielding psychopath. So all of these attacks involve a person who is mentally unstable who is using a means or device of some sort to amplify their desired goal of mass murder or serial killing. JtR was a serial killer and the others were mass murderers. And this is true for the shooter in Arizona too. So, these kinds of attacks come to be because violent mentally ill people are not identified, properly controlled nor are they properly treated. In most of these cases, there were indicators of potential trouble or mental illness that were not identified in a cognate manner. So what we are seeing when it comes to attacks like these is that our systems of courts, mental illness help/counseling and laws are failing many of our innocent people who become the victims of random violence. And this happens all over the world.
 

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In savage and vicious attacks, the one common link in those attacks are that they victims are defenseless and not expecting an attack. This ABB guy attacked people by means of a camouflaged bomb and then deliberately attacked young people who were on an island not expecting to have anything except a good time. Timothy McVeigh used a bomb camouflaged or hidden inside of a truck to kill all sorts of people. Even Jack the Ripper in 1888 London attacked poor women who were prostitutes trying to make some money and not expecting to be killed by a knife-wielding psychopath. So all of these attacks involve a person who is mentally unstable who is using a means or device of some sort to amplify their desired goal of mass murder or serial killing. JtR was a serial killer and the others were mass murderers. And this is true for the shooter in Arizona too. So, these kinds of attacks come to be because violent mentally ill people are not identified, properly controlled nor are they properly treated. In most of these cases, there were indicators of potential trouble or mental illness that were not identified in a cognate manner. So what we are seeing when it comes to attacks like these is that our systems of courts, mental illness help/counseling and laws are failing many of our innocent people who become the victims of random violence. And this happens all over the world.
An interesting thought game:

Lets put ourselves back in 1944 in Norway. ABB's big hero Max Manus is leading the "Oslo gang", an effective and very active part of the resistance. Now, given the opportunity and feasibility, do you think that this group would let go the opportunities to:

1. bomb the NS govenment headquarters, killing a bunch of innocent bystanders in the process?
2. Continue to the yearly NS youth organizations summer camp at Holmestrand and execute as many as possible of the next generation of NS politicians creating as much carnage as possible?

Do you think they would reject this on moral grounds or would they do this before lunch and repeat it in the afternoon?


If they did this, would we see flower parades, khum ba ya, and teardripping stories in the newspapersfor weeks on end, or would such an event be treated differently by the public?

Murder is simply killing without a licence and/or moral foundation. Licence is issued by government, moral foundation is entirely in the eye of the beholder.
The sience of good and evil is not a very accurate one, with fixed axioms like in mathematics.
 

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Its not illogical to say hat he had outside investors.

The jihadhist use the same system.

You could make a cake with a recipe but if you mess up you won't blow up, you'll just get a crappy cake.

Something much much more disturbing lays below the surface.
I'll agree with you to an extent, but in this particular subject if you follow the procedure you will get a safe, usable compound. It's the cutting corners, taking shortcuts and other stupid careless mistakes that are dangerous. I'm not saying that it's impossible for him to of had help, but it's definitely not impossible for him to be acting alone. He's stated there's a cabal of like-minded people but, honestly, I don't think he had physical help in doing this. Perhaps another shooter, but my gut tells me he took special care and spent time on that bomb himself. It was aimed at the PM, after all, so that bomb was his baby. It's what I'd do if I were him, I might not even go through with the shooting. Then again, it's quite hard to put yourself in his shoes, especially if you're a sane individual with even a sliver of honor.

As for the false flag theory, I don't think so. Norway's out of the way and the only real enemies Norway has is in business. ABB's political "camp" are a relative minority in Scandinavia and there's no real reason for a false flag attack there. Except, maybe, by jihadists to say to the world, "hey we're not the only ones who blow **** up!" This reeks of genuine fanaticism, all the signs are there but surely there had to of been one specific event that was the trigger. Somebody just doesn't wake up, one day, and decide he's going to build a bomb and shoot people. There's always a trigger and I'd love to know what it was. I want to know if it was something petty, like an immigrant bumped into him or something serious.
 

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This is why we do not conclude.

The only thing we can conclude with is that the events have created an unholsom environment for open debate and inevitably will result in less freedom, more control and polarization of society.

We open up for several possible scenarios, but that does not mean we favor one over the other. This might be a false flag, it might be a carefully planned political assault by a group of people or it may be as now presented to the public, the actions of a lone perpetrator trying to pull of an "life mimics art" operation by presenting himself as an organization.
 
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