Survivalist Forum banner

OPSEC and a special needs hired hand.

9487 Views 77 Replies 30 Participants Last post by  Bullets~n~Beans
Bullets~n~Beans and I are about to head back up on our new land after a week back in population. We are starting from scratch in a heavily forested area and there is plenty of clearing, selective cutting of timber and prepping logs for structures to be built this spring, in addition to building up the old logging skid for year'round use, all the other fun stuff that goes with developing an offgrid dwelling.

We have a young man in his late 20's, who came with excellent working references from close friends, that we have helping us move packed items into storage and wrap up chores at our old home to accelerate the move. He's hard working, strong as an ox, and is very interested in learning more about the outdoors. We've set him up with an old pack, stove, fire starting kit, shelter and he loves learning how to use them. After having him stay with us the past week, I would put his intelligence equivalent to about an 10-11 year old, and perhaps an IQ in the high 70's, low 80's (I've had experience testing folks back in college). He reminds me a LOT of Lenny in Mice and Men. In the amount he has told us, it seems he has made some poor decisions in his personal life through being manipulated and/or being naive. He is very honest, and have no fears of theft.

We would like to hire him to help now and then at our new land, but there are a few flags that have been raised in the course of having him stay with us this week.

1- He doesn't have the best editing function, he tells us more things than we ever needed to know about his family, several are either druggies, thugs, abusers and/or manipulators. His family lives between 70-100 miles away from us.

2- He talks a LOT. But mostly because he is bored (doesn't talk much when working), and we've been told if you don't want something shared, don't let him know.

He lives +30 miles away, does not have the ability to drive right now (perhaps this spring). Friends of ours vouched he would be great on the property, and he wouldn't remember the way to the property, especially if we took the many forest roads in our area. He has expressed concern with "bad things" coming and has asked for help in planning a budget to build preps (we set him up with some bags of beans, rice, etc., which he DOES eat, and are showing him how to use them.

Most of the work we would have him do would be forest clearing, we will be handling a lot of the main construction ourselves. If SHTF, I wouldn't hesitate to take him in, but the thought is still in my mind of some relatives showing up.
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 5
61 - 78 of 78 Posts
I think you are doing a great thing for this man please take caution but dont let this board tell you how your heart feels,ty.I love this board and would fight for some of the people here,I hate to see anyone left out that has a will and way to be a great american.peace
  • Like
Reactions: 2
:eek:He reminds me a LOT of Lenny in Mice and Men.:eek:

Well, keep that kid the F away from flirtacious women and buy him a d*mn bunny before he kills someone!



That movie/story probably did more to cause people to fear the developmentally disabled than anything else.



People who saw this first never realized how horrifically DARKLY funny this really is:

  • Like
Reactions: 2
Well, we just came down off the mountain for another load. I found out a bit more about him. We've found he is quite mechanically competent, just quite slow at book learning and poorly educated.
- He was in the CCC's (CA Conservation Corps) and has experience clearing land and making fire breaks,
- can operate a fork lift
- has small engine experience

We took him to the property, he fell asleep 3 minutes into the drive (snoring) and showed him about 1/20th of the land, right where we are clearing and felling. He was given the task of helping BnB grade by hand and hauling gravel.

The property waiver is indeed crucial, and it was my mistake not drawing it up prior, will be doing that today.

I'm not going to take him in, but we and his BIL (who is a close friend of ours) have met and are advising him on his future goals, paying off his camper, etc. Though we haven't shown him anything, we have been pounding into his head that food (we gave him some basics to start storing food) is the same as gold, and to think if he left 1000 dollars in his camper, who would he trust to know. His BIL asked me to start prying to test him on his mouth, since the kid knows what his BIL has. I heard all about how everyone met, but not one word on preps, guns, etc.

After spending a few days talking to him, I found out he is VERY much into his Native American Heritage and wants to learn more about working with hides, knapping arrows (which he has done) and making Native American tools and crafts. He knows I have primitive skills experience and am willing to help him, but I am emphasizing that I need to be able to trust him to work with him.

So, we're proceeding with caution. We won't have anything more than a campspot (living in a 12x12 tent and primitive shelter right now) until spring and have stored our possessions.


Thanks for everyone's input so far, it is not falling on deaf ears.
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 4
Britzen, I'm really glad it is going well so far. Our special needs adults have such a hard time getting opportunities, not only to learn new skills, but to be able to do things like this young man is doing like spending time on a mountain and work on a new project like you are doing. We see so many of the other clients in the programs our son participates in who rarely get to do anything new and stimulating in their lives. I've thought of y'all quite a few times and hoped it was going ok.
I hope your head cold is getting better. Thank you and BnB both for sharing your experiences with us all.
  • Like
Reactions: 3
How did Mice and Men end?
Dead Rabbit, Dead woman, Dead Lenny.

@ Mel's, thanks for the Get Well wishes. Threw me off a bit, I didn't think I posted I had a cold, BnB must be online. But I did go back and reread my post and apologize for all the errors.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
@ Mel's, thanks for the Get Well wishes. Threw me off a bit, I didn't think I posted I had a cold, BnB must be online. But I did go back and reread my post and apologize for all the errors.
:) Didn't mean to "spook" you, although I can see how it would. I am blessed/cursed with this ridiculous memory and had read BnB's post last night. Most everything that wanders in to my head stays there, it may not be usable, but it's there. :)
  • Like
Reactions: 3
Bravo to BnB and The Britzen! :)

I think you are doing a good thing, hopefully any unhelpful entanglements from his more undesirable folks won't arise.

I don't feel he'll be a problem, but a good asset!
  • Like
Reactions: 3
I know he has Spina Bifida, which he volunteered. I haven't asked anything else. What we HAVE asked people who have known him for years is his work ethic and honesty, which he passed with flying colors.
Does he have Hydrocephalus as well as spinabifida, they generally go hand in hand, which would also account for his learning disability.

My daughter has hydrocephalus, it was caused by brain bleeds at birth, she is very much like this young man, what ever comes to mind she will talk about it, mom snoring, cat farting lattest bargain at the store will be shared with who ever will listen, in her world everything is black and white, no shades of grey, one of my biggest fears is she will see someone doing something wrong and she will say something out loud, that will get her beaten or stabed.

Though she has a poor sense of direction she uses land marks for mapping a route, she may not recognise things the first couple of times but afterwards will remember a certain post box, tree, store, garden gate ect to get her from A-B and there is a good possibility this young man will do the same.

If you are going to show him some life skills, use a scout handbook and suggest how cool it would be to try it out, that way if he is going to talk about anything it is going to be something out of a guide book, and hopefully others will think it rather dull
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 4
Took him up to the Mtn a few days ago, he again fell asleep within 3 miles of starting up the hill. I'm keeping him on a fairly short leash on the property, have only shown him about 3 acres. Having been in the CCC, he's very adept with a chainsaw, though I have to be VERY specific to what I want.

I noticed he tends to mess around a bit more when BnB isn't on the property working directly with him, he was howling (he's yet to understand the serious wilf issue we have in the area and how people react) and smoking cigarettes more often than working. I'm wondering if since I've spent quite a bit of time with me and I tend to be more social and less serious than BnB, playing more when its time to play, and let him watch cartoons when we were packing up the house. When we packed up to head down the Mtn I asked him to make sure all the logging equipment was put back, since it was snowing and knew it would be quite hard to locate tools if he had not.

I returned to check his work and found gas cans, loppers, bar oil, cigarette packages (yuk!) spread out over an acre of our property. He took 2 hours to cut a wheelbarrow full of firewood and left it strewn instead of stacking.

This was a good test to get a better read on his workstyle, I think I will reserve his help for when BnB is on the property and working side by side with him and give him more immediate direction.
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 3
I returned to check his work and found gas cans, loppers, bar oil, cigarette packages (yuk!) spread out over an acre of our property. He took 2 hours to cut a wheelbarrow full of firewood and left it strewn instead of stacking.
Not good.

This was a good test to get a better read on his workstyle, I think I will reserve his help for when BnB is on the property and working side by side with him and give him more immediate direction.
Ok, I'll be up by the end of the week.
  • Like
Reactions: 2
I noticed he tends to mess around a bit more when BnB isn't on the property working directly with him, he was howling (he's yet to understand the serious wilf issue we have in the area and how people react) .
Howling?!!
What like a wolf? Was it a full moon? :)

What a goofy dude.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
Not good.



Ok, I'll be up by the end of the week.
Go kick some goofy ass BnB :)
Red*Lion: was just offering a possible solution from my past experience - not sure why/Where the Friction is in your post...

Seeing the "Thanks" to you from britzen and from Bullets and Beans, I guess my offering was rejected...

S'ok - I am not Riled.

Have a Nice Day anyway!
Just joshin. No offense
  • Like
Reactions: 1
Howling?!!
What like a wolf? Was it a full moon? :)

What a goofy dude.
To some this may seem overkill, but wolves are a SERIOUS issue here.
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=260264

He was working 200yds away and I heard the howl, which was uncanny (we heard wolves across the ridge a few weeks ago and we have a LARGE pack of them). I looked at the dog and her hackles were up. I grabbed the 870, yelled his name and asked if he was howling, He replied "No Ma'am". Ok... defenses up, leash the dog, who is on full alert. Hear the howl again, a little right of where he answered. Racked the shotgun and told J let me know where he was and he started shouting "It was me!! It was me!!!"

I was pretty sure it was him, had the 870 muzzle in the air the whole time, though it was hot. He thought the ruse was funny, but we take wolves VERY seriously here, and had a long talk with him about the horrible incidents our neighbors have incurred.
  • Like
Reactions: 2
Red*Lion: was just offering a possible solution from my past experience - not sure why/Where the Friction is in your post...

Seeing the "Thanks" to you from britzen and from Bullets and Beans, I guess my offering was rejected...

S'ok - I am not Riled.

Have a Nice Day anyway!
I tend to thank just about everyone who takes time to post on a thread I started, unless its spam or trolling. I'm in and out on the Mountain so much I may miss a few, don't take anything from it.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
I tend to thank just about everyone who takes time to post on a thread I started, unless its spam or trolling. I'm in and out on the Mountain so much I may miss a few, don't take anything from it.
Same here. At times I/we get busy and miss a few but all post's are appreciated. Sorry for the confusion.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
61 - 78 of 78 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top