[ladyinblack]

http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/...nic-farmer-fighting-rebuke-of-Chatham-Twp-law

 

[ctwo]

“The ends don’t justify the means,” said Templin, a nine-year Chatham resident who lives two lots down and across the street from the Bucuks. “When people tell me farming is not invasive, I know they are not informed on the subject.”

Invasive?
I guess it is, but not in a bad way

 

[madcritter]

So in this little peace of heaven in Green Village jersey you can't disturb your own soil.

 

[dac]

The sad part of the whole thing is that there are other farms on the street.

and when one of them asked to talk it out the guy responded with " I dont talk to my advisories"

 

[errorborne]

If they gave the vegetables away it wouldn't be commercial. This is one more reason to not live in New Jersey.

 

[Doc Simonson]

Thankfully, I don't plan on growing enough to sell on my property. I'm afraid to check with the town about putting up my hoop house now. I guess what they don't know won't hurt me. Was the guy that was complaining their next door neighbor or something?

 

[cranky1950]

So in this little peace of heaven in Green Village jersey you can't disturb your own soil.

Yeah, once you provoke a cease and desist order your life isn't your own anymore. It's kindda like don't ask don't tell then wearing makeup.

 

[phjg]

So much for being the "Garden State".

Glad I finally moved after all those years.

 

[dac]

Thankfully, I don't plan on growing enough to sell on my property. I'm afraid to check with the town about putting up my hoop house now. I guess what they don't know won't hurt me. Was the guy that was complaining their next door neighbor or something?

Not sure what part of NJ your in but I'm up in Morris county. We put up a green house and our neighbors called the town on us. The inspector showed up asked it it was nailed down to the platform,because it wasn't we were fine.

 

[originALLIty]

Does Templin have nothing better to do than complain about neighbors? It's a family operation as well, hardly something I would call "commercial". Do the other neighbors even care?

 

[ex-hunter]

The most telling information in the entire story:

The Bucuks said they would prefer not to apply for a variance ...

They would rather do nothing and have their dreams squashed than do this very simple thing.

 

[Doc Simonson]

The most telling information in the entire story:



They would rather do nothing and have their dreams squashed than do this very simple thing.

Don't feint, but I have to agree with you on this. Unless there is a good reason to not pursue a variance. Could there be restrictions that come with a variance, and therefor they wish to wait for the law to be changed?

 

[Ydoom Nedav]

Don't feint, but I have to agree with you on this. Unless there is a good reason to not pursue a variance. Could there be restrictions that come with a variance, and therefor they wish to wait for the law to be changed?

You're not alone. I hate to agree with him too. :

 

[cranky1950]

The most telling information in the entire story:



They would rather do nothing and have their dreams squashed than do this very simple thing.

I think they'd rather the local agent work with the zoning board to draft new rules. If the get a variance, the old rules will stand and others will have to go through the same routine. Of course is the the rest of the community does not want change then a variance is the only alternative, and in light of new rules getting shot down it would seem that they would not get a variance. You buy a residential hobby farm you have to accept that probably you've got essentially a big garden and nothing more. Looks like they tried to sneak their operation past the neighbors.

 

[Harmless Drudge]

Don't feint, but I have to agree with you on this. Unless there is a good reason to not pursue a variance. Could there be restrictions that come with a variance, and therefor they wish to wait for the law to be changed?

"Permission" ALWAYS comes with strings attached.

 

[Harmless Drudge]

I think they'd rather the local agent work with the zoning board to draft new rules. If the get a variance, the old rules will stand and others will have to go through the same routine. Of course is the the rest of the community does not want change then a variance is the only alternative, and in light of new rules getting shot down it would seem that they would not get a variance. You buy a residential hobby farm you have to accept that probably you've got essentially a big garden and nothing more. Looks like they tried to sneak their operation past the neighbors.

What, exactly, were they "sneaking" past the neighbors? What business is it of the guy down the road if you grow Phaseolus instead if fescue?

This type of thinking is why millions will starve if the trucks stop running.

 

[Dark Skies]

I live in a rural farming area. Due to the mass immigration in our small country building land has become very profitable - the town has been added to dramatically with nasty starter home estates. And the first thing these new homeowners do, drawn by the sleepy and picturesque rural element in the first place, is complain about the smell of fertilizer and cows. WTF did they expect a rural area to be like? These wankers exist everywhere it would seem according to the OP's story.

 

[maine-marine]

Hello 911 whats you emergency?

Yes I would like to report that somebody is gardening next to me, It sounds like they are watering the plants and the carrots may even be involved in a terrorist plot, the beets are making weird noises as the grow... I just can not sleep with the threat of an invasion by lettuce....

 

[cranky1950]

What, exactly, were they "sneaking" past the neighbors? What business is it of the guy down the road if you grow Phaseolus instead if fescue?

This type of thinking is why millions will starve if the trucks stop running.

Not at all. The difference is that residential zoning was set up because individuals didn't want to live next to commercial enterprise or agriculture. The town permits gardening perhaps limited livestock for personal consumption. These folk sought to sneak around zoning and operate a farm for the tax advantages. Obviously the rest of the community has a problem with that. It's not like they bought agricultural land and the town rezoned them after the fact. You're trying to make it sound like the government is oppressing them when in fact, the town at some point voted the existing zoning in place. These new comers are the ones trying to usurp rights the rest of the community paid for when they move to town. Government does not impose zoning, zoning laws and changes are not introduced without public hearings and referendum.

 

[cranky1950]

I live in a rural farming area. Due to the mass immigration in our small country building land has become very profitable - the town has been added to dramatically with nasty starter home estates. And the first thing these new homeowners do, drawn by the sleepy and picturesque rural element in the first place, is complain about the smell of fertilizer and cows. WTF did they expect a rural area to be like? These wankers exist everywhere it would seem according to the OP's story.

I know someone with 10 acres of agricultural land in the middle of the city of miami. They have been driving the city of miami bat**** for 60 years because they will not subdivide and all the city can see is almost a million dollars a year in lost property taxes. However there have been citrus trees planted there since the turn of the century and the land is grandfathered in past the zoning laws, and the property has never left the family. They can raise pigs if they want to and their yuppie neighbors could do nothing.