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Oh, Shortages,...what say you?

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
One of the mods took the opportunity to edit stuff out of this thread that might get me banned for Mod bashing........

First, let me say, I have not seen anywhere the shortages you guys are talking about. Yes there are some specific things that might not be available but you should consider both sides.

There was one guy who seemed to be upset that he could not lay his hands on a very specific Honda generator. I can say from personal experience that Honda has greatly reduced production of many of their products and a lot of that is based on a lack of parts. For instance, last year Honda did not provide any Honda brand lawn mowers for their distributors. They only provided Honda brand mowers to Home Depot (and not many of those) according to one distributer I know. He was explaining to me that they decided to only provide components to other manufacturers. Yes, you can get a mower with a Honda engine on it but it will be on another brand, not a Honda brand. That is according to the distributer who I regard as very well informed. Apparently it's not clear they will be making more, at least as far as they can see.

But while you may not get any Honda generators there are other generators out there. In the last several months I have seen different generators available as Costco with my own eyes. While you may not get the particular model of generator you prefer it's tough to say there is a shortage of generators in general. There doesn't seem to be.

One other guy was complaining about the high price of cat food. It seems he had a "special needs" cat and needed a specific cat food. He wasn't saying he couldn't get that cat food he was just unhappy he had to pay so much for it.

I personally went to both Target and Pet Supplies Plus and both had plenty of cat food - Purina, Science Diet, Iams, etc. I don't understand how anyone in my area can possible say there is a shortage of cat food. From what I can see there is plenty. If you want a "special" cat food you can probably get it but expect to pay for it. Ditto dog food, bird food, fish food, etc.

So lets talk about food. Having visited multiple stores in my area I have not seen any serious shortage of food. You can get all the beef, pork/ham, chicken/poultry, fresh and frozen vegitables, pastas and spices you want. The only two things I have seen missing is Fruit Punch flavored Gatorade and one pound packages of Jimmy Deans sausage. Now you can get both but either of these may be out of stock on any given day but they are there on a regular basis. You may not be able to get a broiler but what the hell, life is tough. You can still get chicken- canned chicken, fresh chicken, cooked chicken (for $5 at Costco). Lots of chicken out there.

I have not seen any significant shortages of clothing and specifically winter clothing in the last six months. Do you folks out there have access to quality clothing?

The same goes for housing. Someone I know bought a condo in November. Her realtor took her out one day and they looked at six condo's that met the specifics of the buyer. She bought one of them. I know in my neighbor hood there are several houses available for sale now. How 'bout you guys? Is there housing available? There is not significant shortage of that here.

Brand Spanking New Automobiles- they are available here. The lots aren't full and some of them aren't half full but they have cars for sale. Of course they aren't coming off much from MSRP if at all. Hell, they might be getting premiums. Yeah, times are tough.

Toilet paper, paper towels- you can get all you want and at reasonable prices. Sometimes the shelves are a little sparse but I have always been able to buy from a selection of toilet paper brands. I don't because I have a two year supply of TP. I also have a two year supply of bath soap. What say you? Have you seen any (serious) shortages of toilet paper?

I always wonder about toilet paper. You guys prep, right? Why would you not have toilet paper? That seems like it would be pretty high on the list. Food/toilet paper. Gonna be needing those.

I have to say the gun guys are the most interesting. I always like the threads that start with "Convince Me To Buy My 8th AR-15". Dude, how many AR's can you fire at one time? No, don't get me wrong, go out an buy your 8th AR, I don't care. But what is your rationalization for needing 8 of them? Are you going into battle? Wouldn't the Army supply you with a rifle? They did for me.

And in regards to ammo, where have you been since 2016? When the witch was running for president, during the dreaded Obama administration, you couldn't get ammo. Next time it was available I stocked. up. You guys aren't stocked up on your caliber? Seriously, if not, you're not much of a prepper. I got one rifle and one handgun and ammo for both. If you don't have ammo for your weapon whose fault is that?

And what is the deal needing a dozen different calibers? You got that many guns with those calibers? Seriously? I hope you're loading your own ammo.

I happen to own two vehicles- one beat up old Toyota and a nicer, newer SUV. Haven't seen any shortages of gas or parts. How about you?

Going to Colorado next week. Gonna check out the supply of cars, food, weed. Oh, that reminds me all the alcohol you want here too.

I like it here in the States and I think life is pretty good. You can get just about anything you want and at reasonable prices, for the most part. Life is good. Even if I dont agree with the Mod.

What say you?

Poor Richard
 
#124 ·
1) When people describe shortages in their area, they need to state what geographical area they are in. Seriously, it's getting annoying. This is a huge country and a shortage of peanut butter in Sheboygan doesn't mean there's a shortage from coast to coast. Did I mention that this was annoying?
2). Nothing further.
Funny, well not really, but there was a shortage of Peanut Butter here in Sheboygan. Our northside Walmart had more shelf space than product.
 
#5 · (Edited)
One of the mods took the opportunity to change this quote to save me from myself...
Pressing your luck I see...
They only provided Honda brand mowers to Home Depot (and not many of those) according to one distributer I know. He was explaining to me that they decided to only provide components to other manufacturers.
Why do you think Honda was suddenly providing parts to other manufacturers?
One other guy was complaining about the high price of cat food. It seems he had a "special needs" cat and needed a specific cat food. He wasn't saying he couldn't get that cat food he was just unhappy he had to pay so much for it.
What sets the price for "things"? Supply v Demands. If price is rising what is that saying? There are supply side causes and demand side causes. Increasing prices is highly suggestive of demand outpacing supply.

I personally went to both Target and Pet Supplies Plus and both had plenty of cat food - Purina, Science Diet, Iams, etc. I don't understand how anyone in my area can possible say there is a shortage of cat food. From what I can see there is plenty. If you want a "special" cat food you can probably get it but expect to pay for it. Ditto dog food, bird food, fish food, etc.
You seem to be cherry picking... $0.02 Have you gone to your local supermarket? Are the shelves stocked in such a way to "appear" full? My locals are. Are they out of stuff, no. Is there less supply than years earlier, yes.

Having visited multiple stores in my area I have not seen any serious shortage of food.
A shortage is a shortage. What is a serious shortage? Sounds like a semantics game here.

You may not be able to get a broiler but what the hell, life is tough
Seems like you are seeing shortages, but don't care, because they don't effect you, therefore it is not a shortage in your opinion.

Someone I know bought a condo in November. Her realtor took her out one day and they looked at six condo's that met the specifics of the buyer. She bought one of them. I know in my neighbor hood there are several houses available for sale now. How 'bout you guys?
No supply available in my area. They can't build them fast enough. Houses are on the market less than 1 week and sell for +10% over asking with multiple cash offers on the day of listing without ever being seen. My backdoor neighbor sold his house 1 year ago and it wasn't even on the market. Someone knocked on his door and asked how much to buy it... New owners are selling the house now at 200k more, and it was sold in 1 day.

Brand Spanking New Automobiles- they are available here. The lots aren't full and some of them aren't half full but they have cars for sale.
Lots are empty by me. In-laws own a 4-runner. Brought it in for maintenance. They were offered original sale price to sell that day and use as a down payment on a new 4-runner with expected delivery date 6-10 months out. Have you dragged your ass to the dealership and asked how long for delivery of a new car? typically you could place an order for a car and get what you want (not off the lot), in about 2-4 months.


You guys aren't stocked up on your caliber? Seriously, if not, you're not much of a prepper. I got one rifle and one handgun and ammo for both. If you don't have ammo for your weapon whose fault is that?
Your 500 rounds of hordany ammo won't go far. If you enjoy going to the range, maybe that will last you a couple trips. I have multiple guns because I like them. I shoot multiple guns when I go to the range. I also view my guns as investments. I have never seen a gun go down in value. I anticipate the price of ammo to go up as well.

I have multiple cars because I like them too. I have a couple children because I like them. I have several rooms in my house because I like them. I have multiple of just about everything. Are you a singles guy? one room, one car, one box of ammo, one pair of pants, one plate set, one couch, one fridge, one fishing rod, one gas can???? How many pairs of underwear do you need, you only wear one?
You can get just about anything you want and at reasonable prices, for the most part
Would seem for the most part there are no shortages in your opinion. But that means there are some shortages if you understand the written words you chose to use.
 
#12 ·
Pressing your luck I see...

Why do you think Honda was suddenly providing parts to other manufacturers?

What sets the price for "things"? Supply v Demands. If price is rising what is that saying? There are supply side causes and demand side causes. Increasing prices is highly suggestive of demand outpacing supply.


You seem to be cherry picking... $0.02 Have you gone to your local supermarket? Are the shelves stocked in such a way to "appear" full? My locals are. Are they out of stuff, no. Is there less supply than years earlier, yes.


A shortage is a shortage. What is a serious shortage? Sounds like a semantics game here.


Seems like you are seeing shortages, but don't care, because they don't effect you, therefore it is not a shortage in your opinion.


No supply available in my area. They can't build them fast enough. Houses are on the market less than 1 week and sell for +10% over asking with multiple cash offers on the day of listing without ever being seen. My backdoor neighbor sold his house 1 year ago and it wasn't even on the market. Someone knocked on his door and asked how much to buy it... New owners are selling the house now at 200k more, and it was sold in 1 day.


Lots are empty by me. In-laws own a 4-runner. Brought it in for maintenance. They were offered original sale price to sell that day and use as a down payment on a new 4-runner with expected delivery date 6-10 months out. Have you dragged your ass to the dealership and asked how long for delivery of a new car? typically you could place an order for a car and get what you want (not off the lot), in about 2-4 months.



Your 500 rounds of hordany ammo won't go far. If you enjoy going to the range, maybe that will last you a couple trips. I have multiple guns because I like them. I shoot multiple guns when I go to the range. I also view my guns as investments. I have never seen a gun go down in value. I anticipate the price of ammo to go up as well.

I have multiple cars because I like them too. I have a couple children because I like them. I have several rooms in my house because I like them. I have multiple of just about everything. Are you a singles guy? one room, one car, one box of ammo, one pair of pants, one plate set, one couch, one fridge, one fishing rod, one gas can???? How many pairs of underwear do you need, you only wear one?

Would seem for the most part there are no shortages in your opinion. But that means there are some shortages if you understand the written words you chose to use.
Hey, I've been around the block a few times, too. I shop at a variety of stores just like you. I'm not seeing shortages the way some people on here are describing.

You mentioned that you think I am playing semantics but that seems to be what you are doing. Let's take chicken. At least here, in Dallas, today you can get all you want of chicken- fried chicken, baked chicken, boiled chicken- fresh chicken, frozen chicken cooked chicken. All you want... that's not semantics. Where is the crisis? Okay, some guy somewhere can't get broilers. He has to have broilers? Nothing else will do? I'm not seeing a shortage here, no way, no how. But I was asking for input. How about you? Is there a shortage of chicken where you are?

You're mentioning semantics. If you can get everything but broilers it sounds like you don't have a "serious" shortage of chicken. In fact, to me it doesn't sound like much of a "shortage' at all. Does it sound like that to you? You can get friers, fresh or frozen, all you want, at reasonable prices. And I'm pretty sure you can get broilers, too I just haven't looked for those lately. Every store I know of has canned chicken breast. Does that constitute something you could call a shortage?

You said, "Seems like you are seeing shortages, but don't care," No dude, not so much. I am not seeing shortages around here. But again, what about you? What are you seeing shortages of?

Just curious, where do you live that there is not supply of housing for sale. Give me the name of you town. Are you serious? There are no houses for sell?

In regard to guns, I'm a 2nd Amendment guy. Have a few myself. Have ammo. But let me ask a question. When in your life have you needed 500 rounds of ammo? Were you in a battle? Don't take that the wrong way. I fully support you having as much ammo as you think you need. I got no problem with that. I have never in my life needed 500 rounds of ammo. It just sounds to me like you are making this sound a little dramatic. Personally, I don't care, go buy 5,000 rounds of ammo, works for me. But sometimes people confuse what they want with what they need. Totally your call...

Me? One house, one piece of property in the country, might pick up more. Three bedrooms, one bathroom ( I only use one of those at a time), two vehicles, a two week supply of tidy whites. One couch, one fridge, one freezer. Don't fish, four gas cans. What else do you want to know? I have a two year supply of TP and paper towels, ditto razor blades and bath soap, shampoo, etc. You sound like you are trying to make me out to be some kind of a freak. Dude, I'm just like you- an ordinary guy with an ordinary life. But I prep. Don't you prep? How much chicken do you have on hand? Let me check- two 12.5 oz cans of chicken breast and about four pounds of frozen chicken legs (I like those.)

But I'm asking for input. Where do you live and what is it in short supply where you are? Housing, cars? Seriously, let me know.

Best of luck to you.
 
#6 ·
Well, I guess we can agree that if you don't care about the quality or lifespan of things you buy, aren't as aware of your surroundings as most others, and are willing to ignore the meaning of the word "shortage", then indeed, there are no shortages affecting you. Congratulations.
Not very good traits for a prepper or survivor, unfortunately.
 
#22 ·
Wow. Where did you get that?

I collect social security and I live fine. And I am aware of my surroundings. And I have learned in life that quality is important. I suppose we both live in the US but it sounds like we live on different planets. As I have said before, I am not seeing the shortages described here. I'm not.

I don't have a lot of things and don't want them. I have two vehicles, two iPhones, an iPad but not really a lot of toys.

The pantry is stocked. So it the freezer. Money in the bank and money on hand.

I think I am well prepped and I have survived this long so that says something.

I hope you are living better than I am. If you are you are doing well.

Best of luck to you.
 
#7 ·
Beef, chicken, saltine crackers, spaghetti, car parts, primers, ammo, flints....all things that I've been to the store to buy recently without any luck.

From a manufacturing standpoint, adhesive and paper are in very short supply. This I know because I deal with it daily.

Are there substitute items? For most of it, yes. Is there a real shortage of some things in this country right now? Also yes.
 
#9 ·
I’m glad that you haven’t been experiencing the same things that many have been experiencing regarding shortages. I hope it lasts!

I’m in Medford Oregon. We’ve had our share of issues here. Shortages, insane price increases, rotting vegetables in all my regular markets.

today was different.. it was actually kind of weird. I went to Winco and things like canned chili were back to 2019 prices. Tomatoes for .50 lb.. Asperagus for 1.98 lb. it was fully stocked, everything was nice and fresh. The prices were back to normal. It was like stepping in to an alternate universe.

I hope it stays this way but I kind of doubt it. So, I might go back tomorrow and think of it as the stock up calm before the storm.
 
#51 ·
today was different.. it was actually kind of weird. I went to Winco and things like canned chili were back to 2019 prices. Tomatoes for .50 lb.. Asperagus for 1.98 lb. it was fully stocked, everything was nice and fresh. The prices were back to normal. It was like stepping in to an alternate universe.
Moved back home to VA from UT. I really miss Winco!!!! Haven't found anything comparable out here...especially when it comes to their bulk items.
 
#10 ·
OP, your entire post reeks of arrogance, born of ignorance. Ignorance of conditions outside your own area. Your profile states that you live in the Dallas area. If so, you should know that an effort is being and has been made to keep urban areas better supplied than rural areas, such as the one I live in. Dallas has a population of well over a million people. The county I live in and all six bordering it combined have well below a million, and almost half of them are in a single county an hour drive from me. The shortages are real. Period. Small town grocery stores consistently receive less than half the goods and groceries they order. If shelves aren't bare, they're thin.
I personally am not worried because I've seen it coming and I am quite well prepared. So go on with your bad self, unless you're prepared to quickly escape your urban hell, you'll be lucky to make it out at all.
 
#13 ·
OP, your entire post reeks of arrogance, born of ignorance. Ignorance of conditions outside your own area. Your profile states that you live in the Dallas area. If so, you should know that an effort is being and has been made to keep urban areas better supplied than rural areas, such as the one I live in. Dallas has a population of well over a million people. The county I live in and all six bordering it combined have well below a million, and almost half of them are in a single county an hour drive from me. The shortages are real. Period. Small town grocery stores consistently receive less than half the goods and groceries they order. If shelves aren't bare, they're thin.
I personally am not worried because I've seen it coming and I am quite well prepared. So go on with your bad self, unless you're prepared to quickly escape your urban hell, you'll be lucky to make it out at all.
Well, thank you Wolf. I hope you are well.

I am not arrogant or ignorant. As stated in another post I am an ordinary guy with and ordinary life. I don't know where you are from but I am not seeing the shortages that are described here. I will be going into less populated areas when I go to Colorado later this week. You can bet I will be checking on local conditions between Dallas and Denver.

You do come across yourself as overstating the hell of my urban area. Actually life is pretty good here. I too am stocked and you should be congratulated for you efforts which I think are both wise and insightful.

But I have to mention that it is interesting to me that a site that is for people who prep seems to have a lot of people who aren't very good at it.

Best of luck to you.
 
#11 ·
Greater Albuquerque metro area. (From Belen to Algadones, or about 60 miles streight.)
750,000 +/- people. Travel time in most areas depending on physical distance 15-35 min.

Conditions on the ground here:

Wal marts: Most Wal Marts are short (and I do mean SHORT) on various protein products, of each type. From beef to chicken to eggs and pork. In many instances trips to multiple stores sets up situations where folks are able to get some amounts. Prices have gone up on average 15-35% from July 2021.

TP is there, some shortages.
Noodles, and other pasta types, plenty on hand. Good supply of other less used products.

Albertsons/Smiths: Similar stories of WM, but various groceries are available, but in limited quantities. Milk products are getting hit hard, and eggs vary.

Trader Joes: Most are stocked but thin on shelves. Rotation of various produce is seen from the three stores in our area. (This includes the Santa Fe Store.)

Whole Paycheck: Average supply, but products being staged to hide holes.

Vegitables of any kind in all stores are sometimes short, non existent or is gone as soon as it is put out.

Target: Some holes, most products available but in small quantities. Not stacked.

Gasoline: price averages $2.99-$3.50 depending on what part of the metro area you are in. Prices are jumping approx. 20 cents from day to day both up and down. No consistency, but gasoline is available.

Various misc. consumer products: Most available but in limited supply. Because of the lack of camera stores, there is no way to gauge the demand.

Gun stores are hopping! Ammunition is difficult for everyone INCLUDING LAW ENFORCEMENT!
Good supply of firearms, VERY low supply of ammunition.

Feed stores such as TSC, Big R, and local places are seeing OK stock, but some shortages. Mostly those dependent on foreign parts. (Most products). Some areas have supplies that are in quantity.

Cat, Dog and Chicken food: Cat and Dog food have HIKED SUBSTANTIALLY from 50-200% from last year. Last year, the brand we typically buy in 20 lbs bags was selling at approx. $28. Now the same is $45. Dog food similar situation. Chicken feed. There and in quantity sometimes. Other times little to no feed. Prices hiked up 20-40%.

Yes folks, its for real. it is happening. Will it get worse? IDK.

But This is Socialism!
 
#17 ·
Greater Albuquerque metro area. (From Belen to Algadones, or about 60 miles streight.)
750,000 +/- people. Travel time in most areas depending on physical distance 15-35 min.

Conditions on the ground here:

Wal marts: Most Wal Marts are short (and I do mean SHORT) on various protein products, of each type. From beef to chicken to eggs and pork. In many instances trips to multiple stores sets up situations where folks are able to get some amounts. Prices have gone up on average 15-35% from July 2021.

TP is there, some shortages.
Noodles, and other pasta types, plenty on hand. Good supply of other less used products.

Albertsons/Smiths: Similar stories of WM, but various groceries are available, but in limited quantities. Milk products are getting hit hard, and eggs vary.

Trader Joes: Most are stocked but thin on shelves. Rotation of various produce is seen from the three stores in our area. (This includes the Santa Fe Store.)

Whole Paycheck: Average supply, but products being staged to hide holes.

Vegitables of any kind in all stores are sometimes short, non existent or is gone as soon as it is put out.

Target: Some holes, most products available but in small quantities. Not stacked.

Gasoline: price averages $2.99-$3.50 depending on what part of the metro area you are in. Prices are jumping approx. 20 cents from day to day both up and down. No consistency, but gasoline is available.

Various misc. consumer products: Most available but in limited supply. Because of the lack of camera stores, there is no way to gauge the demand.

Gun stores are hopping! Ammunition is difficult for everyone INCLUDING LAW ENFORCEMENT!
Good supply of firearms, VERY low supply of ammunition.

Feed stores such as TSC, Big R, and local places are seeing OK stock, but some shortages. Mostly those dependent on foreign parts. (Most products). Some areas have supplies that are in quantity.

Cat, Dog and Chicken food: Cat and Dog food have HIKED SUBSTANTIALLY from 50-200% from last year. Last year, the brand we typically buy in 20 lbs bags was selling at approx. $28. Now the same is $45. Dog food similar situation. Chicken feed. There and in quantity sometimes. Other times little to no feed. Prices hiked up 20-40%.

Yes folks, its for real. it is happening. Will it get worse? IDK.

But This is Socialism!
Hi soocom1.

Thanks for replying. I have been to Albuquerque twice, once while working in Taos and again when my son was working at Los Alamos. It seems to be a nice place.

Gasoline is the same here running anywhere from around $2.90 to $3.30 depending on the day. The price can jump by 20 cents in one day for sure. It's a day to day thing.

Can I ask you question? How much toilet paper do you keep one hand? I have around a two year supply. When at the store I usually check out the availability of it and while there are sometimes lower quantities there is always a healthy supply and a variety of brands. I haven't seen a serious shortage in over a year and a half following the first Covid problems.

Ammo is the same here but I have mine. (although less than 500 rounds, HA!)

I buy cat food in 7 pound bags which last my mousers about a month. Used to be I could get that for around $14.00 a bag but it is now over $16.00 a bag. I usually get Iams.

I am going through Raton later this week and am really looking forward to it. I hope the pass is clear, chances of that look pretty good. I will be checking the local grocery stores.

Best of luck to you.
 
#14 ·
You are seeing an area much like LA that has high end everything.

OK.
fine.
In Albuquerque on the north end is the Toyota dealership. That dealership was selling so many cars in early to mid 2020 That the lot literally had no parking spaces available. Today, thier stock can literally be counted on hands and feet of ONE PERSON!

Other car lots like Carmax and the BHPH lots have some supply. New cars are growing scarce except the Bimmers and MBs, and Land Rovers/Jaguars. Want a high end.. plenty here. But again, no one here can afford the damn things!

You also fail to understand that in areas that have little to any industry and manufacturing are being hit HARD!
many loe end mom and pop stores are struggling. Restaurants are hurting! People are starting to leave the state over this, and the politics.

We have seen in some cases stores that have almost nothing in them. Rural stores are thinly stocked. Lots of tochkies because people need food, not touristy crap.

Needful items like wood stoves are non existent. Thats because as soon as one shows up, its gone. Gardening supplies as starting to get hard to come by.

One of my underlings is from LA. Dallas has stories of good supply. Not LA, milk has been sparse, same with other fresh foods. LA is a powder keg!

OK fine, you have money (if you live in Dallas you have to), and you go to the well stocked stores. Great.
Costco here is starting to show stress.

I live in a simi-rural place. We have food, and deliveries of some amounts. But its starting to show here.
McArches (to whit I get a daily dose of OJ every morning) is starting to run out.

As for guns and ammo, just a point. yeah, you canonly shoot a max. of two. But why the hell would you care one iota how many or what type of guns people own? Why would you care?
 
#15 ·
Sure lots of stuff is low in my area ? NY
my wife bought the one car she could find in stock .
All kinds of parts are missing , I bought break pads for my truck on line
and there weren’t many to chose from .
The stores are all moving things around so it Dosent look like there stock is low.
Lumber is out of stock and 2 3 times the price.
It took me 3 try’s to get tires for my truck then I payed 30% more .
I am fresh out of gun stores, they have mostly all closed up . No guns to sell .
I making due but I’m thinking this is getting worse before it gets better
 
#69 ·
Sure lots of stuff is low in my area ? NY
my wife bought the one car she could find in stock .
All kinds of parts are missing , I bought break pads for my truck on line
and there weren’t many to chose from .
The stores are all moving things around so it Dosent look like there stock is low.
Lumber is out of stock and 2 3 times the price.
It took me 3 try’s to get tires for my truck then I payed 30% more .
I am fresh out of gun stores, they have mostly all closed up . No guns to sell .
I making due but I’m thinking this is getting worse before it gets better
agreed. im across the river in NJ. a few of my neighbors lost their vehicles in the flood last fall. one has yet to replace the car, the other took 4 months to get some beat up car that s leaking fluids...but the only car available for purchase. food is hit or miss. esp frozen. i couldnt find my usual frozen pizza...so i bought 2 flavors i would not have normally bought. pies are smaller and 2.50 more per pie. not a frozen bialy to be had. temptee cream cheese has been out of stock for over a month. they claim it was some computer hack last october that has them behind. i havent been able to find caffeine free pepsi in a couple of months.

for the most part it s you get what you get and dont be upset...
 
#16 ·
In the past six months I have seen more gas pumps taped off due to no gas than I have ever seen outside of hurricanes, it's become a pretty regular thing. Ordering hardware, tools, and equipment and expecting it t to show up on time has become unreasonable, if it shows up at all. It isn't just food, it's everything. Most of my friends all across the country live in rural areas, and for many of them the story is the same. You went to multiple stores in your area? My nearest grocery store is sixteen miles away, many of the small towns around here make do with a dollar store in place of a grocery store, sparsely stocked shelves have become normal. Maybe we simply live in different worlds. Let's put it this way, there are four post offices less than half an hour drive from me, and the combined population of those four zip codes is about 2,500. Total. I read months ago that a greater effort was being made nation wide to keep urban areas stocked ahead of rural ones, because generally speaking if urban areas run out of food, it's instantaneous chaos, whereas rural people are generally better equipped to deal with it.
 
#20 ·
I have been in a Dollar General store and must admit it doesn't carry as much as a full line grocery store. Usually I shop at a Target Superstore, a Walmart Neighborhood store or a grocery store called Albertsons. There's a Trader Joes not too far away but that's not one of my usual stores. There are a few Whole Foods around but that store I usually go to are better stocked.

I have read that something like one in five people in the US are at risk of hunger. That sounds absolutely amazing to me. Maybe it's true. My ex-wife's family lived in rural Kansas and they were 50 miles from a full line grocery store. They laughed about going to Dodge and getting a truckload. I don't think they were kidding.

There are gas stations here that are shut down too but there is no shortage of gas. Most of the gas stations have at least 12 pumps running and there is a place called Buckee's that have around a hundred pumps. I'm serious.


Best of luck to you.
 
#18 · (Edited)
I work in the grocery industry. Won’t say what company publically because I don’t want to get in trouble. We call what is happening long term out of stock. This occurred in 2020 with toilet paper and hand sanitizer. As long as the non-preppers keep panic buying, it’s not going to get better.

I know they are happening because part of my job duties are doing data entry on the long term out of stock dates. No, it hasn’t been on everything yet. Just certain items. It should not seriously impact a good prepper. Keep your inventory stocked with variety and you will be fine. The other stuff will come back eventually.

It takes time for factories to make stuff and ship it out. You have that compounded with truckers who would rather protest than deliver the food, and also the panic buyers. If there is war with Russia, there will be more panic buying. So yeah, it’s a perfect storm. Sometimes in life, we have to go without things we want, or learn how to make them ourselves. This builds resilience.

The WH could use their power to get companies making basic food and paper items and alleviate some of the shortages. They haven’t so far.
 
#31 ·
Thank you.

I too have been to a few shoots where I and my platoon mates have fired over a thousand rounds. To me that is a good day. Fortunately the Army bought the ammo.

It sounds like a good time when you and your kids go shooting for the day. Neither of my kids shoot.

But that makes me wonder, when was the last time you needed 1,000 rounds for self defense? I have never needed that much ammo for self defense.

As stated elsewhere I am a 2nd Amendment guy. Have guns, have ammo. And you have every right to as much ammo as you can afford. Knock yourself out. Have a great time.

But, at least to me, there is a big difference between shooting for fun and shooting for necessity.

Some on here have talked about having 5,000 rounds stocked. I am all for that.

Again, there is a big difference between want and need.

I have less the 300 rounds on hand. That is more than I really need. Not planning on going into battle here at the house. IF I get into a battle here at the house someone is going to be on the receiving end of a couple of hundred rounds. And I can hit what I'm aiming at (I call that gun control.) I suspect they will be impressed. That said, I think it is extremely unlikely I will be getting into a battle here at the house. I don't violate the law and have no problems with the police.

Have fun shooting.

Best of luck to you.
 
#23 ·
For the last year or so we have ordered food for delivery or pickup from Mariano's and/or Walmart. I ordered food from Mariano's here in DuPage County, Illinois about a week or two ago. I did not allow substitutions for any of the food, and they had to refund around 25% of the order because they did not have the food, in spite of the fact that they update their website inventory daily.

We had food in stock here on the shelves. We may have to order earlier in the day or more frequently to get the products before they sell out.

I've noticed shortages of knives at some major knife retailers. Could be a lack of raw material, trucking issues, or being able to get enough employees to work at the manufacturer.
 
#26 ·
.One other guy was complaining about the high price of cat food. It seems he had a "special needs" cat and needed a specific cat food. He wasn't saying he couldn't get that cat food he was just unhappy he had to pay so much for it.

I personally went to both Target and Pet Supplies Plus and both had plenty of cat food - Purina, Science Diet, Iams, etc. I don't understand how anyone in my area can possible say there is a shortage of cat food. From what I can see there is plenty. If you want a "special" cat food you can probably get it but expect to pay for it. Ditto dog food, bird food, fish food, etc.
First, I am not a guy. Next, just because you are not experiencing shortages does not mean they are not impacting other areas. We have no deliveries from ANY stores here. Closest McD's is 14 miles away. Not even pizza delivery so not quite big city choices either. And to say that just because you can get what you want makes this a no shortage issue is as dumb as me saying since we did not get ice and power outages last winter, TX did not either<eye roll>. And yes, when the cat food is normally $15 and price gouging makes it $40+, it IS a problem. Juice for the kids was 96c in Nov.....now it is $2.68 and WM is.....duh.....out of stock even at that price. Last year when the Colonial pipeline was hacked and 70% of the gas stations in NC had no fuel......gosh..no shortage as I had gas in the van and spare gas so I guess that too was not a shortage.

Now have a nice time and when serious SHTF, we country mice will be doing quite fine. We even know how to make cat food if it comes to that.

liebrecht
 
#27 ·
First, I am not a guy. Next, just because you are not experiencing shortages does not mean they are not impacting other areas. We have no deliveries from ANY stores here. Closest McD's is 14 miles away. Not even pizza delivery so not quite big city choices either. And to say that just because you can get what you want makes this a no shortage issue is as dumb as me saying since we did not get ice and power outages last winter, TX did not either<eye roll>. And yes, when the cat food is normally $15 and price gouging makes it $40+, it IS a problem. Juice for the kids was 96c in Nov.....now it is $2.68 and WM is.....duh.....out of stock even at that price. Last year when the Colonial pipeline was hacked and 70% of the gas stations in NC had no fuel......gosh..no shortage as I had gas in the van and spare gas so I guess that too was not a shortage.

Now have a nice time and when serious SHTF, we country mice will be doing quite fine. We even know how to make cat food if it comes to that.

liebrecht
First, you are a generic guy. As in "some guy". Beats me, maybe you self identify as a female or maybe you self identify as a country mouse, I don't know. For the sake of convenience you are a generic "some guy." Deal with that crisis.

To be more accurate I have said there is not shortage of cat food here. I didn't say there is no cat food shortage in North Carolina. Have also said that to hear people on here it almost sounds like we are on two different planets.

To repeat, I have personally looked in multiple stores and found large quantities of a variety of different cat food products. There is no shortage of cat food HERE.

If cat food is so expensive have you thought about just making it? You say you can.

To be honest I don't understand what your crisis is. Are your kids hungry right now? Do they have a place to sleep at night? Do they have appropriate clothing? It sounds like you mostly just want to complain.

But I am curious about one thing you said. According to you "Now have a nice time and when serious SHTF, we country mice will be doing quite fine."

That is pretty much my point, this is NOT a serious SHTF situation. These are good times as best I can see. How are you going to be doing fine in a serious SHTF situation when you sound like you aren't doing so well right now? These are good times. It just seems like a curious thing.


Best of luck to you.
 
#49 ·
No dude, you got that bass ackwards. Here in Dallas where I am right now, I am not seeing the shortages like I am reading about on this site. That is a pretty straight forward statement.

In a different thread one post referred to not being able to get broiler chickens. That does not directly refer to a shortage of chicken. Here in Dallas having visited multiple stores in the last few days I can accurately say there is no shortage of chicken here. Fresh chicken, frozen chicken, canned chicken cooked chicken. All are available here. In large quantities.

Another guy posted he couldn't get a particular model of generator. I myself have seen multiple generators in multiple models for sale in the last three months. And I wasn't even looking for generators. Less than one minute ago I called Plano Power in Dallas and they said they had Honda EU 3000s in stock for sale right now. They are pricy at around $2,500.

Now maybe you don't need a Honda EU 3000 generator but I'm guessing a lot of people could make do with that model. And I have a hard time believing that generators are unavailable when I found one with one phone call.

In the event you do not understand let me say this one more time. I am not seeing the shortages discussed on this site here in Dallas.

And BTW it wasn't intended to be a rant, just making a statement.

Best of luck to you.
 
#29 ·
Op is right in a way. We do not have lines forming at the Walmart to buy flour and sugar , and nobody is starving. It has been so far more of an expensive annoyance ( have to buy more expensive stuff because the cheaper stuff is gone) than anything else. What I notice more is the shortage of manpower everywhere. It takes a month now to get an appointment to fix something in a vehicle. It takes a month to get a doctor appointment, it takes half a year to get a eye doctor or dentist appointment, 2 bank branches have closed near us and we have to drive further to go inside the bank. Big thing for us is our meat processor quit thanks to covid. But overall, no we have not reached third world country or full communism country status yet.
 
#32 ·
Thank you for your reply.

You said it better that I could. "We do not have lines forming at the Walmart to buy flour and sugar"

When I can't get my Fruit Punch flavored Gatorade it is an annoyance not a crisis. Ditto my one pound package of Jimmy Dean's sausage. Those are spotty. Here one week, gone the next.

And you are right, as in really right. There is a shortage of manpower everywhere. Where did all the employees go?

Have a great day.

Best of luck to you.
 
#30 ·
I've been looking at what's on the shelf BEHIND what they face them with every night. Some stores, behind that there is not much. So at first glance, everything looks normal.

In March of 2020, a lot of canned goods were snatched up. Smart people were grabbing staples like rice, beans, flour, etc. Most of that has come back, no truly bare shelves so far.
 
#34 ·
My local Walmart in a rural coastal Virginia county is experiencing shortages of O-T-C pharma products.

For example, diabetic cream is frequently sold out; the shelf space is empty.

The other lotions, balms and creams mimic the diabetic cream situation.

Again, I am addressing availability and not costs. I'm in semi-decent financial shape.

Don Marquis' definition of an optimist: " A man who has never had much experience".
 
#47 ·
As an active farmer, all I can say in reply to this thread is how my local situation is. And I feel that my situation is more important and significant, than what an ordinary consumer who only goes to the local grocery store experiences. Because I am actually on the "supplier" and "producer" end of things, what with being a grain farmer.

Worrisome signs that all is not well. Going beyond merely the availability of fresh tomatoes in the vegetables aisle of the local grocery store:

1) I ordered a fertilizer spreader in October. The delivery time is six months out. The manufacturer says there are shortages of stainless steel, and shortages of tires that they are coping with.

2) Farm equipment replacement parts: 4-6 weeks lead time in ordering parts. Electronic parts are even worse.

3) Fertilizer---a 300% increase in cost from just a year ago.

4) I needed to replace a 10 HP electric motor on one of my grain bins. My local farm bin dealer says it's a 60 day wait.

5) Talked to my local Ford dealer the other day. The parts guy tells me that getting replacement parts is very hit-or-miss. Often out-of-stock at the central warehouse. Parts can be backordered for weeks on end. Then being suddenly and unexpectedly cancelled.


Again--these are shortages of basic items. On the "producer" end of things. I think the entire supply system is extremely shaky at the moment. VERY vulnerable to disruption by any external shocks. And for some reason, the powers-that-be and our discredited media are putting a smiley face on it. With bland reassurances.
I agree with you completely. So goes the farmer so goes the rest of us.

As I live in the city I only need adequate food, shelter and housing (appropriate attire, etc.). I have that but being a farmer, a supplier of food, you are in a significantly different situation. Too bad we are saddled with the current administration and don't have much to look forward to as far as political leadership goes.

You have my very best wishes.

Best of luck to you.
 
#35 ·
No offense, but Trader Joe's is an urban type of market, as are the mini-WalMarts ... your initial post about condo's being available. Yeah, they are, there is another Great Migration happening, and has been for 2 years now. Folks are getting out of the cities to more rural areas of DFW. Median home prices may still be in the 360k range for DFW, but are now 500k in the rural areas. Oh, and there's a shortage of new construction in the rural areas, homes usually sell within 0-2 days of going on the market out here.

Want to do a project? Lumber is available, around 2.5-3x what it was 2 years ago, but it's available. Good luck finding anyone to do the labor, they're all booked up. Want a pool? We'll have it done in 2023+. Want ammo? Don't bother going to WM, they only sell empty shelves where it used to be. Have to come out of that Dallas bubble, and you'll see it. Shop around? We are forced to out here, no single store carries everything on our list anymore.