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Official NATO/Ukraine/Russia 2021-2022-2023

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Things are heating up again. Britain decided to cruise a destroyer along the coast of Crimea. Russia tried to run it off, Britain just ignored them. Russia even got to the point of firing warning shots and dropping bombs in front of the destroyer and they did nothing, eventually continuing on to the Black Sea. A reporter on the ship exposed things as a witness plus pictures and audio of the ship being buzzed and the crew at battle stations, the Royal Navy denied anything happened, The Russians posted all the video of them buzzing the ship, commercial satellite photos show the whole thing, Royal Navy still denied it.

Russia has now said that if the UK does it again the bombs will be on target. UK says fine, but they're going to do it again. China is jumping in as well saying that if Russia starts shooting they're going to join in and start shooting too.

We could be looking at anything from an international incident to WW3. Totally unknown, but everyone seems primed to pick a fight. It's also Taiwan invasion season still. They have until the end of July before the weather turns too bad. Might be a good time to check those major war preps and plans. We're thinking of breaking down and just getting a traditional large storm shelter put in to tide us over until we can eventually get the underground house built.
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Not nice, there's still some who do good work.
You're right, My apologies. Lumping all of them into a container and judging all of them based on the actions of the bad apples is the same crap that the left does. So to all who have served in the intelligence community, I apologize.
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a few of us believe he might have been Pakistani Intelligence
It wouldn't surprise me.

Actually---he still might be on this board. As witness the following link:


Don't know if that's actually a picture of him. Or if it's "our" Rigel. But it does have the Pakistani flag in his icon...
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I ran into him in a different forum. He's around.
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I ran into him in a different forum. He's around.
does he still look like this?

Daytime Cap Gesture Military person Headgear
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Actually he's posted a pic that I assume is him. He was a major ccp fanboy though. He bristled when I called him out on that before. Pretty smart dude so he may be Chinese, can't say those Folks aren't smart. Says he's part Greek too.:)
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Actually he's posted a pic that I assume is him. He was a major ccp fanboy though. He bristled when I called him out on that before. Pretty smart dude so he may be Chinese, can't say those Folks aren't smart. Says he's part Greek too.:)
yeah well I say im part Cherokee too so there is that
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ISW SITREP for 3/17

Click here to see ISW’s interactive map of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This map is updated daily alongside the static maps present in this report.

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here to access ISW’s archive of interactive time-lapse maps of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. These maps complement the static control-of-terrain maps that ISW produces daily by showing a dynamic frontline. ISW will update this time-lapse map archive monthly.

Chinese President Xi Jinping will meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin during a state visit to Russia from March 20 to 22 likely to discuss sanctions evasion schemes and Chinese interest in mediating a negotiated settlement to the war in Ukraine.
The Kremlin stated that Putin and Xi plan to sign unspecified bilateral documents and discuss topical issues in Russia’s and China’s comprehensive partnership.[1] Chinese companies have reportedly sold rifles, drone parts, and equipment to Russian entities that could be used for military purposes, and Western intelligence agencies have stated that Chinese leadership is considering the provision of lethal equipment to Russia.[2] Xi likely plans to discuss sanctions evasion schemes with Putin and Russian officials to support the sale and provision of Chinese equipment to Russia. ISW previously assessed that Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko and Xi signed a package of 16 agreements on March 1 that may facilitate Russian sanctions evasion by channeling Chinese products through Belarus.[3] Xi also likely aims to promote Chinese efforts aiming to position China as an impartial third-party mediator for negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. China released a broad 12-point peace plan for the war in Ukraine on February 24, although it remains unclear what more definitive Chinese proposals for a negotiated settlement to the war would encompass. Xi may seek to parlay his success in mediating the restoration of diplomatic ties between Iran and Saudi Arabia into a larger effort to mediate in this war.

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko confirmed that Belarusian industry is supplying Russia with electronic components, potentially supporting previous ISW assessments that Belarus may assist Russia in evading Western sanctions. Lukashenko stated on March 17 that Belarus and Russia signed an agreement on establishing a joint Belarusian-Russian center for the development and production of photomasks (an intermediate good used in the production of integrated circuits), that the two states have developed a list of critically important electronic components, and that Belarusian industry has already begun shipping unspecified microelectronics to Russian enterprises.[4] ISW previously assessed that Belarus might facilitate sanction evasion for Russia and that China might clandestinely transfer goods and/or equipment to Russia via Belarus.[5] The US State Department sanctioned several additional Belarusian defense entities and tightened existing export controls to Belarus as of February 24, 2023, but these sanctions may not be comprehensive enough to prevent Belarus from sending Russia electronic components used in weapon systems and other dual use technologies.[6] Lukashenko made this announcement at the Belarusian Planar Joint Stock Company technological enterprise, which the US does not appear to have sanctioned.[7]

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic’s rhetoric about Belgrade’s refusal to sanction Russia is softening. Vucic refused to promise that Serbia will not sanction Russia, acknowledged that Belgrade’s decision not to join European sanctions against Russia has brought Serbia “tough [economic] circumstances,” and stated that he will evaluate "when we are in a deadlock and when our policy has to change” on March 17.[8] Serbian Economy Minister Rade Basta called on the Serbian government to impose sanctions on Russia and stated that Serbia is paying a "high price" for not doing so on March 14.[9] Politico previously reported that Vucic is seemingly reconsidering Serbia’s close ties with Russia, spurred in part by ongoing Wagner Group recruitment and subversion efforts in Serbia and demonstrating the international economic and informational costs imposed on Putin by his invasion of Ukraine.[10]

The International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russian Commissioner on Children’s Rights Maria Lvova-Belova on March 17 for alleged war crimes involving the deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia.[11]

Russian outlet Nezavisimaya Gazeta reported that it did not submit a press request to Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin concerning a rumored plot by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev against him.
Nezavismaya Gazeta suggested that someone responsible for fabricating the request is actively engaged in fomenting conflict between different siloviki structures, which may support ISW’s March 16 assessment that Prigozhin likely promoted the alleged plot to support informational campaigns against the Russian military establishment.[12] ISW initially assessed on March 16 that Prigozhin might have fabricated the alleged plot to support these informational campaigns, but ISW failed to observe that a Russian milblogger had posted rumors about the alleged plot on March 13.[13] Prigozhin’s press service was involved in a fabrication of some kind given the Nezavisimaya Gazeta denial, but Prigozhin does not appear to have fabricated the rumor itself. Prigozhin’s press service may have received a fabricated press request or may have fabricated the press request itself. Prigozhin chose to give prominence to the rumored plot whoever fabricated the press request. ISW continues to assess that Prigozhin promoted the rumored plot to identify Patrushev and the Russian Security Council as enemies of the Wagner Group, set conditions to blame Patrushev for Wagner’s failures in Ukraine, and support ongoing informational campaigns against the traditional Russian military establishment.[14]

Key Takeaways

  • Chinese President Xi Jinping will meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin during a state visit to Russia from March 20 to 22 likely to discuss sanctions evasion schemes and Chinese interest in mediating a negotiated settlement to the war in Ukraine.
  • Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko confirmed that Belarusian industry is supplying Russia electronic components, potentially supporting previous ISW assessments that Belarus may assist Russia to evade Western sanctions.
  • Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic’s rhetoric about Belgrade’s refusal to sanction Russia is softening.
  • The International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russian Commissioner on Children’s Rights Maria Lvova-Belova on March 17 for alleged war crimes involving the deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia.
  • Russian outlet Nezavisimaya Gazeta reported that it did not submit a press request to Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin concerning a rumored plot by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev against him.
  • Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks across the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line.
  • Russian forces continued offensive operations in and around Bakhmut.
  • Russian forces continued offensive operations along the outskirts of Donetsk City.
  • Russian sources claimed that Russian forces repelled Ukrainian forces along the front line in southern Ukraine.
  • The Kremlin continues to call up reservists throughout Russia.
  • Russian authorities reportedly detained three Ukrainian partisans in occupied Zaporizhia Oblast.
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Russian Main Effort—Eastern Ukraine

Russian Subordinate Main Effort #1— Luhansk Oblast (Russian objective: Capture the remainder of Luhansk Oblast and continue offensive operations into eastern Kharkiv Oblast and northern Donetsk Oblast)


Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line on March 17. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian forces conducted unsuccessful offensive actions near Hryanykivka (17km northeast of Svatove), Kreminna, Kuzmyne (3km southwest of Kreminna), Verkhnokamianske (7km east of Siversk), and Spirne (11km southeast of Spirne).[15] A prominent Russian milblogger claimed that Russian forces drove Ukrainian forces near Hryanykivka across the Oskil River to the western (right) bank.[16] Former Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) People’s Militia Spokesperson Eduard Basurin claimed that positional battles continue northwest of Kreminna near the Zhuravka gully and south of Kreminna near the Serebrianska forest area.[17] A Russian source claimed that Russian forces conducted unsuccessful assaults near Makiivka (22km northwest of Kreminna), Nevske (18km northwest of Kreminna), Yampolivka (17km west of Kreminna), and Bilohorivka (10km south of Kreminna).[18] Another Russian source claimed that Russian forces gained territory along this line and near Chervonopopivka (6km north of Kreminna), however.[19]

Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted an unsuccessful ground attack near Chervonopopivka on an unspecified recent date and are accumulating forces for a future counteroffensive push.[20]

Russian Subordinate Main Effort #2—Donetsk Oblast (Russian objective: Capture the entirety of Donetsk Oblast, the claimed territory of Russia’s proxies in Donbas)

Russian forces continued offensive operations in and around Bakhmut on March 17. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces repelled Russian assaults near Bakhmut, within 11km northwest of Bakhmut near Orikhovo-Vasylivka and Hryhorivka, and within 6km southwest of Bakhmut near Ivanivske and Klishchiivka.[21] Russian mibloggers claimed that Wagner Group fighters attacked Ukrainian positions near Khromove (2km west of Bakhmut) and Bohdanivka (6km west of Bakhmut).[22] Geolocated footage published on March 17 indicates that Russian forces secured marginal gains in northern Bakhmut.[23] Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) head Denis Pushilin claimed that Russian forces advanced deeper into the AZOM complex in northern Bakhmut, although ISW has not observed visual confirmation that Russian forces are operating on the territory of the complex.[24] Ukrainian State Border Guards reported that Ukrainian forces engaged in combat with Wagner fighters in an industrial zone in Bakhmut but did not specify whether it was the AZOM complex.[25] Russian milbloggers claimed that Russian forces continued assaults in the southern parts of Bakhmut and that Wagner fighters reached the T0504 highway on Bakhmut’s southwestern outskirts and severed a Ukrainian supply line.[26] ISW has not observed visual confirmation that Wagner Group forces have interdicted the T0504 highway on the southern outskirts of Bakhmut as of this publication. Ukrainian forces in Bakhmut would still be able to access sections of the T0504 highway through country roads between Khromove and Ivanivske, even if the current Russian claims are true.


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Why would the Russians need rifles from ccp when they have izhvest, molot etc to draw from ?
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yeah well I say im part Cherokee too so there is that
Elizabeth Warren, is that you? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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Elizabeth Warren, is that you? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
You guys are tossing softballs to me tonight. :ROFLMAO:
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It's just sad when an air defense system can't detect a threat that is directly overhead.

This one only received a warning.

Too bad that munition missed the open turret hatch.

That would likely have had a greater effect on the outcome!
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I think shes wild..... I could see her show up in a leather trench coat wearing only black lace panties with a bottle of scotch and a bag of blow
Your forgot the hat. That Waffen SS looking thing with the high front, little deaths head, and the patent leather visor.

That would complete Naughtie Auntie's ensemble - it's the accessorizing that makes the scene! :p
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Too bad that munition missed the open turret hatch.

That would likely have had a greater effect on the outcome!
Or that it wasnt one of there little hollow charges that brings warmth and light to so many Russia tanks
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yeah well I say im part Cherokee too so there is that
I have a tiny bit of Spanish heritage, according to the genetics. Given the other stuff I know it can only have come from Legio IX Hispana. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
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Why would the Russians need rifles from ccp when they have izhvest, molot etc to draw from ?
Russian arms manufacturers most likely have not been delivering the numbers of units that they were contracted to supply although you can bet that the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation will be able to reconcile both orders and delivered units. ;)
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Why would the Russians need rifles from ccp when they have izhvest, molot etc to draw from ?
The guys that are forced into the Russian army keep dropping them.
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Or that it wasnt one of there little hollow charges that brings warmth and light to so many Russia tanks
Like these? :)

I'm not buying the claim that they were all destroyed in one night, though.

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Ukraine claims to have shot down 11/16 drones last night.

But a fuel depot near Dnipro was hit.

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