Ok so I have had a idea. We in ham radio have no shortage of emergancy comunication groups. skywarm, races ext. but in a shtf or civil war situation they would be swamped and probley devoting most of their recorces to the government. So how about starting our own group. We could have a set calling freq. and regular nets. I guess my vision is for a survival group in california, to be able to pass a message to a group in kansas, or a freedome fighter comander can get a "we need help" message to his alies, ext. We allways talk about ham radio for survival, but do we actually put anything in place. We need a group!!