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What could this mean vis-a-vis the year 2012, the Mayan calendar and catastrophes, in general? Could this happen without any negative results?

National Geographic-North Magnetic Pole Moving East Due to Core Flux
Now, newly analyzed data suggest that there's a region of rapidly changing magnetism on the core's surface, possibly being created by a mysterious "plume" of magnetism arising from deeper in the core.

And it's this region that could be pulling the magnetic pole away from its long-time location in northern Canada, said Arnaud Chulliat, a geophysicist at the Institut de Physique du Globe de Paris in France.

The magnetic north pole had moved little from the time scientists first located it in 1831. Then in 1904, the pole began shifting northeastward at a steady pace of about 9 miles (15 kilometers) a year.

In 1989 it sped up again, and in 2007 scientists confirmed that the pole is now galloping toward Siberia at 34 to 37 miles (55 to 60 kilometers) a year.

 

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Yep, the magnetic pole is accelerating, which can mean only one thing.

Geomagnetic reversal, and all that goes along with it. It's happening in the sun too.

"Ulysses also finds that the sun's underlying magnetic field has weakened by more than 30% since the mid-1990s,"
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/23sep_solarwind.htm

But don't believe us conspiracy nuts, better to bury your head in the sand and pretend nothing is happening.
 

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Haven't the poles always been drifting a lot?

And wait... the magnetic pole is moving NORTH, closer to what we consider "true north?" I wouldn't cry overnight pole reversal yet.

An informative NASA article about magnetic pole shifting:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/Y2003/29dec_magneticfield.htm

NASA article said:
What they see mimics the real Earth: The magnetic field waxes and wanes, poles drift and, occasionally, flip. Change is normal, they've learned. And no wonder. The source of the field, the outer core, is itself seething, swirling, turbulent. "It's chaotic down there," notes Glatzmaier. The changes we detect on our planet's surface are a sign of that inner chaos.

They've also learned what happens during a magnetic flip. Reversals take a few thousand years to complete, and during that time--contrary to popular belief--the magnetic field does not vanish. "It just gets more complicated," says Glatzmaier. Magnetic lines of force near Earth's surface become twisted and tangled, and magnetic poles pop up in unaccustomed places. A south magnetic pole might emerge over Africa, for instance, or a north pole over Tahiti. Weird. But it's still a planetary magnetic field, and it still protects us from space radiation and solar storms.
I don't see the magnetic pole shifts as part of some prophecy or conspiracy... it's just what the planet has been doing for millions of years. I wouldn't be surprised if it caused environmental turbulance (especially for some migratory animals), but I hardly think it would be THE END OF THE EARTH AS WE KNOW IT!

Let's say the magnetic poles keep shifting at 40 km/year. The circumference of the earth is about 40075 km. At that rate, and presuming that the poles shift linearly the whole time (unlikely), it would take about 1000 years for the poles to flip. That is quite sudden on a geologic time scale, but not sudden by our timescale (like in the next two years.)
 

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Haven't the poles always been drifting a lot?

And wait... the magnetic pole is moving NORTH, closer to what we consider "true north?" I wouldn't cry overnight pole reversal yet.

An informative NASA article about magnetic pole shifting:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/Y2003/29dec_magneticfield.htm



I don't see the magnetic pole shifts as part of some prophecy or conspiracy... it's just what the planet has been doing for millions of years. I wouldn't be surprised if it caused environmental turbulance (especially for some migratory animals), but I hardly think it would be THE END OF THE EARTH AS WE KNOW IT!

Let's say the magnetic poles keep shifting at 40 km/year. The circumference of the earth is about 40075 km. At that rate, and presuming that the poles shift linearly the whole time (unlikely), it would take about 1000 years for the poles to flip. That is quite sudden on a geologic time scale, but not sudden by our timescale (like in the next two years.)
Actually if the acceleration is constant then 60km a year today is bad news. I remember reading in the 90's about it moving about 15feet in a year. It means 180km/yr tomorrow, 560 km/yr the day after that, 1680km/yr the day after that, until it does a complete flip-flop where north is south and south is north (not literally the day after tomorrow but close enough to it).


What that might do for solar radiation and weather during the more rapid movement is anyones guess but if a little movement produces the worst lightning storms we've ever seen, how much does a lot of movement produce?


Movement of North Magnetic Pole is accelerating
"After some 400 years of relative stability, Earth's North Magnetic Pole has moved nearly 1,100 kilometers out into the Arctic Ocean during the last century and at its present rate could move from northern Canada to Siberia within the next half-century. If that happens, Alaska may be in danger of losing one of its most stunning natural phenomena – the Northern Lights."
http://www.physorg.com/news8917.html

We know for sure it's happened before and we've survived it, the question is did it happen like the Bible, the Koran, Nostradamus, the Mayans, etc. said it did or is it going to be something else entirely?


Are we going to get hit by a meteorite during the magnetic reversal (which is entirely plausible given the way magnets work in space, the reversal could be just enough to pull a chunk of the asteroid belt towards us, setting us up for yet another extinction level collision with a rock in space)? And what is a geomagnetic reversal going to do to Apophis?

We already know Apophis has the potential to hit us, and to wipe out life on our planet. It will be close enough between 2029-2036 that it might do just that. But what about our magnetic field during all of this? Will it perhaps attract Apophis or another ELE sized asteroid towards us?

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/apophis/
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/oct/HQ_09-232_Apophis_Update.html


Movement Of Earth's North Magnetic Pole Accelerating Rapidly
"The bottom line is that geomagnetic changes can be a lot more abrupt than we ever thought."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051209113513.htm


If you want to know the exact measurements so far, here.

Greenland Symposium Determines Earth�s Magnetic Field Disappearing
"At the same time National Geographic magazine in the May 2007 issue reports that the North Pole has been moving toward Severnaya Zemlya, a Russian island off the Taymyr peninsula on the central Arctic coast of Siberia. It was located just inside the Arctic Circle south of Prince of Wales Island about 1831. It only moved about 10 feet between 1900 and 1960. Between 1960 and 1968 it moved 20 feet. It is now moving at the rate of 25 feet a year as it travels across the Arctic Ocean."
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/magnetic_field_disappearing.html

North Magnetic Pole Moving East Due to Core Flux
"In 1989 it sped up again, and in 2007 scientists confirmed that the pole is now galloping toward Siberia at 34 to 37 miles (55 to 60 kilometers) a year."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/12/091224-north-pole-magnetic-russia-earth-core.html



So if in 2007 it was moving 25feet a year and then suddenly jumped to about 60km/yr that same year, how long until the complete reversal? Not long I'm guessing, but thats given the data at hand. It could draw in Apophis and a collision between us would fit every prediction by every people in the ancient world, and wipe out a significant portion of life on earth.

Hurray for another proven yet useless fact. Useless because knowledge alone can't save you, but preparation can. Maybe I should stock up on TP. Maybe this is the thing to watch out for, you never know. Supposedly we'll see it for 7 days before impact. Assuming it makes the news I know where to be when it hits us.

You remember the movie Deep Impact? You might want to be ready for this just in case, you have about a week to get to the west coast, on your marks, get set,....

But then people have been predicting this for years, I'm just adding science and magnetism into the equation.

http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/2000PPaper.html

"Nostradamus has many quatrains about An Asteroid Impact to the sea. This parallels An Asteroid Strike to the ocean in Rev:8:8-10."
http://www.satansrapture.com/nostindex.htm
 

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Long Term Movement of the North Magnetic Pole


Spherical harmonic models can also be used to estimate the position of the North Magnetic Pole back to approximately 1600. Prior to that time there were too few observations from which reliable models can be produced. It appears that the North Magnetic Pole moved southeast a distance of approximately 860 km between 1760 to 1860. Prior to that is was located in a relatively confined area near 75° N, 110° W.
http://gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/nmp/long_mvt_nmp2_e.php

Since 1904 it has effectively moved double the previous movement distance and is accelerating.

Accelerating is the key word here.
 

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Yep, the magnetic pole is accelerating, which can mean only one thing.

Geomagnetic reversal, and all that goes along with it. It's happening in the sun too.

"Ulysses also finds that the sun's underlying magnetic field has weakened by more than 30% since the mid-1990s,"
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/23sep_solarwind.htm

But don't believe us conspiracy nuts, better to bury your head in the sand and pretend nothing is happening.
Well, right now Im feeling too lazy to show how much of a complete fool you are about all subjects relating to real life science and not voodoo magic. But so far Im pretty sure Im on a four and 0 againt you.

But since Im feeling too lazy to show how silly your assertions are,

1. It takes tens of thousands of years for a pole reversal, we are accelerating towards the point at which the process of a point reversal takes place, but the fact is that we are not in it. At the current rate as a matter of FACT as opposed to magic, the process will begin in 3000-4000 CE, that gives us a safe 1000 to 2000 years before it begins.

2.) The suns magnetic field reverses every 5 to 17 years, big deal, big woop, stop trying to use regular, unspecial events to relate to your Harry Potter magic.
 

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Actually if the acceleration is constant then 60km a year today is bad news. I remember reading in the 90's about it moving about 15feet in a year. It means 180km/yr tomorrow, 560 km/yr the day after that, 1680km/yr the day after that, until it does a complete flip-flop where north is south and south is north (not literally the day after tomorrow but close enough to it).


What that might do for solar radiation and weather during the more rapid movement is anyones guess but if a little movement produces the worst lightning storms we've ever seen, how much does a lot of movement produce?


Movement of North Magnetic Pole is accelerating
"After some 400 years of relative stability, Earth's North Magnetic Pole has moved nearly 1,100 kilometers out into the Arctic Ocean during the last century and at its present rate could move from northern Canada to Siberia within the next half-century. If that happens, Alaska may be in danger of losing one of its most stunning natural phenomena – the Northern Lights."
http://www.physorg.com/news8917.html

We know for sure it's happened before and we've survived it, the question is did it happen like the Bible, the Koran, Nostradamus, the Mayans, etc. said it did or is it going to be something else entirely?


Are we going to get hit by a meteorite during the magnetic reversal (which is entirely plausible given the way magnets work in space, the reversal could be just enough to pull a chunk of the asteroid belt towards us, setting us up for yet another extinction level collision with a rock in space)? And what is a geomagnetic reversal going to do to Apophis?

We already know Apophis has the potential to hit us, and to wipe out life on our planet. It will be close enough between 2029-2036 that it might do just that. But what about our magnetic field during all of this? Will it perhaps attract Apophis or another ELE sized asteroid towards us?

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/apophis/
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/oct/HQ_09-232_Apophis_Update.html


Movement Of Earth's North Magnetic Pole Accelerating Rapidly
"The bottom line is that geomagnetic changes can be a lot more abrupt than we ever thought."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051209113513.htm


If you want to know the exact measurements so far, here.

Greenland Symposium Determines Earth�s Magnetic Field Disappearing
"At the same time National Geographic magazine in the May 2007 issue reports that the North Pole has been moving toward Severnaya Zemlya, a Russian island off the Taymyr peninsula on the central Arctic coast of Siberia. It was located just inside the Arctic Circle south of Prince of Wales Island about 1831. It only moved about 10 feet between 1900 and 1960. Between 1960 and 1968 it moved 20 feet. It is now moving at the rate of 25 feet a year as it travels across the Arctic Ocean."
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/magnetic_field_disappearing.html

North Magnetic Pole Moving East Due to Core Flux
"In 1989 it sped up again, and in 2007 scientists confirmed that the pole is now galloping toward Siberia at 34 to 37 miles (55 to 60 kilometers) a year."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/12/091224-north-pole-magnetic-russia-earth-core.html



So if in 2007 it was moving 25feet a year and then suddenly jumped to about 60km/yr that same year, how long until the complete reversal? Not long I'm guessing, but thats given the data at hand. It could draw in Apophis and a collision between us would fit every prediction by every people in the ancient world, and wipe out a significant portion of life on earth.

Hurray for another proven yet useless fact. Useless because knowledge alone can't save you, but preparation can. Maybe I should stock up on TP. Maybe this is the thing to watch out for, you never know. Supposedly we'll see it for 7 days before impact. Assuming it makes the news I know where to be when it hits us.

You remember the movie Deep Impact? You might want to be ready for this just in case, you have about a week to get to the west coast, on your marks, get set,....

But then people have been predicting this for years, I'm just adding science and magnetism into the equation.

http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/2000PPaper.html

"Nostradamus has many quatrains about An Asteroid Impact to the sea. This parallels An Asteroid Strike to the ocean in Rev:8:8-10."
http://www.satansrapture.com/nostindex.htm
Im sorry, but i couldnt resist, your sources are such idiots they should be killed, and I do not exagerate that, they should be gased, stabbed, shot repeatedly, and fed to sharks, and than burn the sharks alive in glass solid tanks so that by the law of conservation of mass their sheer idiocy never reenters the cycle of nature ever again. And we should bury said tanks under Yucca mountain and pray to G-d that the tanks never crack.

But since I dont have the time, I am only going to disprove one of your idiotic assertions

We know for sure it's happened before and we've survived it, the question is did it happen like the Bible, the Koran, Nostradamus, the Mayans, etc. said it did or is it going to be something else entirely?
The last time one happened was more than 700,000 years ago as I remember, considering the oldest human remains do not go beyond 150,000 years, and that civilization did not really emerge until 20,000-30,000 years ago, not even including the advent of writing or even writing historical records which probably took another couple of thousand years, You are so off on your estimate that the only explanation is you either being a ball of clay which is being played with by these liars, or you are just a liar yourself and are just trying to prank and scare people.

Get a life.
 

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Im sorry, but i couldnt resist, your sources are such idiots they should be killed, and I do not exagerate that, they should be gased, stabbed, shot repeatedly, and fed to sharks, and than burn the sharks alive in glass solid tanks so that by the law of conservation of mass their sheer idiocy never reenters the cycle of nature ever again. And we should bury said tanks under Yucca mountain and pray to G-d that the tanks never crack.

But since I dont have the time, I am only going to disprove one of your idiotic assertions

The last time one happened was more than 700,000 years ago as I remember, considering the oldest human remains do not go beyond 150,000 years, and that civilization did not really emerge until 20,000-30,000 years ago, not even including the advent of writing or even writing historical records which probably took another couple of thousand years, You are so off on your estimate that the only explanation is you either being a ball of clay which is being played with by these liars, or you are just a liar yourself and are just trying to prank and scare people.

Get a life.
Not even close. You couldn't prove your way out of a first grade debate.

Why Does Earth's Magnetic Field Flip?
Some scientists speculate the field is headed for a reversal.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0927_040927_field_flip_2.html

Really? You don't say.

Geomagnetic reversal
A geomagnetic reversal is a change in the orientation of Earth's magnetic field such that the positions of magnetic north and magnetic south become interchanged.

The Earth's magnetic north pole is drifting from northern Canada towards Siberia with a presently accelerating rate.

It is also unknown if this drift will continue to accelerate.

Present society with its reliance of electricity and electromagnetic effects (e.g. radio, satellite communications) may be vulnerable to technological diruptions in the event of a full field reversal.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/g/geomagnetic_reversal.htm

Really, you don't say.

Geomagnetic Pole Reversal and 2012
The paleomagnetic record, typically layers of ancient volcanic rock of varying magnetic orientation, shows that geomagnetic reversals occur on average every 300,000 years, but at times has been constant for tens of millions of years, and at other times has flipped twice within 50,000 years.

Will geomagnetic field changes be part of a 2012-year dynamic? Science cannot help us here. The brief experience of mankind on this planet does not allow us to predict how changes deep in geologic time, so removed from human history, might affect us, or predict with certainty when those changes might occur. We only know that they will occur again, whether or not we are here to experience them.
http://www.witzmountain.com/2012_Geomagnetic.html

Really, you don't say. Care to try and shove any more of you parroted consensual scientific garbage my way?

Get a life.
Same to you.
 

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Why Does Earth's Magnetic Field Flip?
Some scientists speculate the field is headed for a reversal.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0927_040927_field_flip_2.html

Really? You don't say.

Geomagnetic reversal
A geomagnetic reversal is a change in the orientation of Earth's magnetic field such that the positions of magnetic north and magnetic south become interchanged.

The Earth's magnetic north pole is drifting from northern Canada towards Siberia with a presently accelerating rate.
Thanks for all the great info you have shared!!
 

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Thanks for all the great info you have shared!!
harvest, in reality it is completely normal.

The fact is that the geomagnetic poles move like that all the time.

Even in between the cycles the poles move back and forth between those points all of the time.

Our field is not yet below 50% of its full capacity, I correct my statement from earlier stating that it needs to reach 0-1%, I believe that depending on how much our capaciter material (see the thread on solar flares) has charged up, it may be around 0%-10%.

But you see, in order to get a geomagnetic reversal the normal field HAS to fall below the magnetic potentiol field of the capaciter like material, once that happens our field collapses and flips, in between the period of time that there is none of our normal magnetic field, the capaciter like material attempts to give off as much of it's built up energy as it can, typically through the emission of a massive electro magnetic field practically identical to the normal one.

Think of it like a rechargeable battery, as the field is going on between reversals, the capaciter material slowly but surely, stores up static, and when the field fails, the capaciter material attempts to get rid of that static and the only way how is to create a magnetic field as a side effect, or even as a primary effect.

Said field is more than powerful enough to last us the period of time between when the geomagnetic field reverses and fails, to when it powers back up.

And the fact that we are several hundred thousand years overdue if we consider our last few field reversals should be further encouragment, it means that the capaciter material has had siginificantly more time to charge up it's energy levels than the previous ones.

And the beauty of the system is that we literally CANNOT go through a reversal without having enough energy in our capaciter like material to create a field to protect us during the pole reversal. Because the reversal only happens when the maing magnetic field falls below the levels of potentiol magnetic field as the outer capaciter material.
 

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I have thought abuot this for a long time.

It could set man kind back hundreds if not thousands of years.

If HARRP is real, the use of it could speed up the process of the earth plates shifing.

I do not think it will be a slow roll but a fast one.

As ice in water, it starts slowly and then bam it is turned over.

later
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I have thought abuot this for a long time.

It could set man kind back hundreds if not thousands of years.

If HARRP is real, the use of it could speed up the process of the earth plates shifing.

I do not think it will be a slow roll but a fast one.

As ice in water, it starts slowly and then bam it is turned over.

later
wayne
Harold, it would set us back for hundreds of years, for the space of maybe a week, in which it takes to reset the massive fuse boxes in the power grid which would be more of a pain in the ass to do all of them than an actual hidnrence.

Also, wayne this has happened hundreds, thousands of times. It has never sped up the movement of the plates at all.
 

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We can theorize in one hand and pee in the other and see which one gets full first.
Magnetic pole reversal has happened before and will happen again.

What exactly is the point in getting all worked up about a natural phenomenon that we can do zip about? Well?
 

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We can theorize in one hand and pee in the other and see which one gets full first.
Magnetic pole reversal has happened before and will happen again.

What exactly is the point in getting all worked up about a natural phenomenon that we can do zip about? Well?
Im not argueing that geomagnetic reversals don't happen, or that they happen on a regular predictable basis.

My arguement is that they happen on a seemingly random basis which no one can explain accurately. Well, people have their theories, you just read mine, but most if not all of them are in the level of hypothesis, not a proven theory.

My point is that there is no way the Mayans could have predicted the world would undergo a geomagnetic reversal (they didnt even have real compasses), so how could they have predicted it would happen in 2012?

And if they didnt predict it happening in 2012, than the chances of it happening could be anywhere from 1 in 780,000 to 1 in 25 million.
 

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My point is that there is no way the Mayans could have predicted the world would undergo a geomagnetic reversal (they didnt even have real compasses), so how could they have predicted it would happen in 2012?

And if they didnt predict it happening in 2012, than the chances of it happening could be anywhere from 1 in 780,000 to 1 in 25 million.
They didn't predict geomagnetic reversal.

So the Maya's Were Right After All
"But actually, the Maya's never predicted anything concrete about 2012. That may have something to do with our ill knowledge about Maya culture: when the Spanish ransacked the land, they burnt literally every Maya book they could find. Only a handful of scriptures survived. And in them, there's not a clue about what happens when the Maya calendar ends.

It certainly didn't stop the Spanish from butchering some 800,000 Maya's in the sixteenth century."
http://www.exitmundi.nl/Maya.htm
 

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Im not argueing that geomagnetic reversals don't happen, or that they happen on a regular predictable basis.

My arguement is that they happen on a seemingly random basis which no one can explain accurately. Well, people have their theories, you just read mine, but most if not all of them are in the level of hypothesis, not a proven theory.

My point is that there is no way the Mayans could have predicted the world would undergo a geomagnetic reversal (they didnt even have real compasses), so how could they have predicted it would happen in 2012?

And if they didnt predict it happening in 2012, than the chances of it happening could be anywhere from 1 in 780,000 to 1 in 25 million.
And I agree with you there, for what it's worth. :thumb:
 

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I solemnly swear, that, by living a completely green and politically correct lifestyle, eating nothing but sticks and twigs, and refraining from elimination or exhalation, I have had no part in causing this phenomenon and am thereby righteous and worthy in my own estimation.
 

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I solemnly swear, that, by living a completely green and politically correct lifestyle, eating nothing but sticks and twigs, and refraining from elimination or exhalation, I have had no part in causing this phenomenon and am thereby righteous and worthy in my own estimation.
If you want to take the road of, "I am worthy so I won't die" than it doesn't work.

Every human has done something dishonest, lied, or cheated. There is no such thing as a person with no "sin"
 
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