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by Bob Owens on November 13, 2014 at 1:28 pm

"Sorry Your Family Member Just Died. Give us your guns. Now!"

"“We recently started a program where we’re cross referencing all the pistol permit holders with the death records, and we’re sending people out to collect the guns whenever possible so that they don’t end up in the wrong hands,” said Police Commissioner Daniel Derrenda"

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http://bearingarms.com/buffalo-stampeded-sorry-family-member-just-died-give-us-guns-now/
 

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But this can't be right? Everyone keeps being told over and over that Registration never leads to Confiscation... Take this as a warning America if they get their way it will be coming to a State near you..no more family Heirlooms in NYS...glad I live in Georgia .we don't have no permits to own and their registration.
 

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by Bob Owens on November 13, 2014 at 1:28 pm

"Sorry Your Family Member Just Died. Give us your guns. Now!"

"“We recently started a program where we’re cross referencing all the pistol permit holders with the death records, and we’re sending people out to collect the guns whenever possible so that they don’t end up in the wrong hands,” said Police Commissioner Daniel Derrenda"

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http://bearingarms.com/buffalo-stampeded-sorry-family-member-just-died-give-us-guns-now/
YOUR guns, or the dead family member's guns?

the permit your family member had doesnt transfer to you upon their death.
 

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YOUR guns, or the dead family member's guns?

the permit your family member had doesn't transfer to you upon their death.
The permit doesn't transfer.

The firearm is property of the family accept in communism where everything is property of the state. Welcome to outright communism NY!
 

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YOUR guns, or the dead family member's guns?

the permit your family member had doesnt transfer to you upon their death.
You shouldn't have to have a permit in the 1st place :taped:

Are all firearms permitted or just handguns in NY? It would seem that they are coming after the pistol but going for everything perhaps...rifles, shotguns, etc. The article wasn't clear on that.
 

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The permit doesn't transfer.

The firearm is property of the family accept in communism where everything is property of the state. Welcome to outright communism NY!
from your article it sounds as though the cops are ASKING the relatives to turn over the weapons. thats not the same thing as confiscating them. not outright confiscation or even sorta confiscation.

and while the weapons may be the property of the family (more specifically, the estate), the family may not have the legal authority to posses them. this issue is no different than NFA weapons. you dont automatically get to keep them when someone dies.
 

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from your article it sounds as though the cops are ASKING the relatives to turn over the weapons. thats not the same thing as confiscating them. not outright confiscation or even sorta confiscation.

and while the weapons may be the property of the family, the family may not have the legal authority to posses them. this issue is no different than NFA weapons. you dont automatically get to keep them when someone dies.
They and everyone else absolutely has the authority and the right to keep and bear arms.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".
 

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Are you compensated if they take them? The legal term 'THEFT' comes to mind, with the worth of a good percentage of firearms maybe grand larceny.

According to New York Law.....

"Grand larceny consists of stealing property with a value exceeding $1000; or stealing a public record, secret scientific material, firearm, credit or debit card, ammonia, telephone with service, or motor vehicle or religious item with value exceeding $100"
 

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Are you compensated if they take them? The legal term 'THEFT' comes to mind, with the worth of a good percentage of firearms maybe grand larceny.

According to New York Law.....

"Grand larceny consists of stealing property with a value exceeding $1000; or stealing a public record, secret scientific material, firearm, credit or debit card, ammonia, telephone with service, or motor vehicle or religious item with value exceeding $100"
ammonia?
:confused::confused::confused:
 

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and while the weapons may be the property of the family (more specifically, the estate), the family may not have the legal authority to posses them.
On paper the family would have legal authority as part of the estate, but if they want them or need to sell them it will be harder to do when they are locked up at the police headquarters.



this issue is no different than NFA weapons. you don't automatically get to keep them when someone dies.
Correct, but if the NFA items are in a Trust or LLC/Corp the police won't know if their existence. That will give the family some time for disposition for the estate.


BTW I can't say it enough...I am so glad that I got out of that state twenty years ago.l
 

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f...the family may not have the legal authority to posses them. this issue is no different than NFA weapons. you dont automatically get to keep them when someone dies.
But you should! It's not only a human right, it's one of the human rights that is so important that it was one of the 10 chosen to be enumerated in the constitution. In fact....it's number 2!
 

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YOUR guns, or the dead family member's guns?

the permit your family member had doesnt transfer to you upon their death.
Why is it almost every time I read your posts all I hear is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz3eOb6Yl1s


Aside from being yet another violation of property rights. Permits, and taxes levied upon a right are illegal. The SCOTUS has already decided this.
 

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Ammonia can be manufactured into explosives...
ammonia is used to produce nitric acid through a process that most garage chemists would never attempt. nitric acid has pretty much always been a readily available chemical. at least since wwii that is. if you go that far back a would be malcontent who wanted to blow something up would just go to the local hardware store and buy a case of dynamite...
 
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