If you got the scratch go for it. I haven't read anything bad about them and as a lefty I love the way it ejects shells.

 

If you got the scratch go for it. I haven't read anything bad about them and as a lefty I love the way it ejects shells.

I fired one for the first time this past weekend and DAYAM! One hell of a rig if I may say so myself! No downside to this one....promise ya'll that!:thumb:

 

Get the RFB...pass on the EoTech...if you want a dot, go Aimpoint T1...smaller, lighter and battery life beats EoTech by a mile.

I personally wouldn't buy an RFB for $1,500 on GB, but that's just me. KT stated they will be producing more RFBs, so prices should start to stabilize.

I took my RFB out again yesterday...this time I wanted to test the hold over reticle of my 4x optic, so I went to the 200 yard (max range at my club)...and the hold over feature works very well. I am happy with the results considering my max magnification was only 4x. My groups were a little over 2MOA. I believe the RFB is a 1-2MOA rifle.

The ejecting chute is very friendly on brass for those that reload.

The more I shoot my RFB...the more I like this rifle.

 

If they ever produce a bullpup design with a decent trigger pull, I may buy one. I haven't tried this one yet, but all bullpup rifles I have ever tried had an insanely heavy trigger pull.

But I still want the Keltec KSG bullpup shotgun when it's available....

 

As far as I know, Kel-Tec is the only one to have solved the bullpup trigger pull issue. And they're supposedly going to offer a 5 way adjustable match grade trigger in the near future.

 

The RFB is the only semi-auto bullpup that has a good trigger. The RFB trigger is much better than my PS90 trigger.

 

what's not to like...308 power , fn mags, easy design, intimadating report.....us made....

 

Aren't they still having troubles with the trigger not resetting properly under some circumstances? Might want to check into it to see if that's cleared up or wait a while longer.

I had another KelTec product that I had a few problems with. Their customer care was top notch. It was aggravating because I had to send it back twice when it should have been fixed the first time, but again the customer care really was excellent.

 

Post up some links...I haven't seen this issue and from reading your comments below...it sounds like multiple folks are having this issue.

Aren't they still having troubles with the trigger not resetting properly under some circumstances? Might want to check into it to see if that's cleared up or wait a while longer.

 

If you're comfortable shelling out $15-1600 instead of waiting and picking one up for $1300, then go ahead.

 

I'm in no hurry, I've already been waiting a while. They try and get $1850 locally (gun shops need to stop smoking that stuff)

Problem: People run and buy it out at $1850, there by encouraging it.

I may give it a month or two, but the useful gun is the one you actually have (and practiced with)

 

At times, companies scramble to get a prototype for SHOT. If you know anything about KT, they don't always deliver a product as planned...kinda like Magpul. But anyway, I just talked to one of KT's engineers last week and we talked about the KSG. He said that they will be in production on time and will be released before the RMR get released.

I know I'm going to sound like a KT fanboy (which I am not at all), but I want the RMR along with the KSG as well.

I am going to be running my RFB hard very soon...I have 600 bullets that I'm going to load up and I will be using them to break in my rifle. I'll probably see if the RFB will run all 600rds without cleaning it during the process.

Grevlin, you know you want the RFB, so come over to the dark side.

 

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I sure do.

Its a .308 short bull-pup and uses common mags. Rail where you need it. Nothing there you don't want.

I friggin love the idea of it. I just wish it had more history/field experience behind it.

Please post back when you're done "playin' that piano." :thumb:

 

Mags for FAL come in either Metric or Inch depending on what country they came from i.e. Belguim Fal is metric, Australian L1A1 is Inch standard. I think metric mags are cheaper due to they are more common.

Ed

 

None of the FAL are "cheap" anymore. The supply has simply dried up...I remember when I could buy FAL mags for $3.

I have wanted the RFB for the last two+ years...I owned (2) FALs and sold all of the mags for them...so when I finally bought my RFB in December, I only had the (1) mag that came with the rifle. When I buy a firearm, I make sure I load up on ammo/mags...by the end of the week, I had nearly 100 FAL mags.

RRA has just introduced some new FAL patterned polymer mags since the FAL pattern is what is used on their 308 AR10 variant.

Just so you know...not all metric FAL mags will work in the RFB. You will want to test each metric FAL mag to ensure that it will fit in your RFB.

 

M14 Scout Squad

 

I voted no, only because I have a bud who has one, and magazines are a real problem for him. You have to use metric FAL magazines which vary from country to country, and there is no company who makes a magazine specifically for the RFB yet. So you have to keep buying magazines until you find one that works, and hope nothing happens to it. I have shot his gun a few times and even the mag that ships with the gun malfunctioned. If you want a 308 carbine get a M1a Socom II.

 

That's the first I've heard of that issue.

 

That things pretty cool. I've had my eye on this for a while now...

http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/mr762_general.asp

maybe ill reconsider

 

Please tell me that you bought it and that you have more info for us. Threads are full of people talking trash who have never touched, yet alone fired the fun. It's at the top of my wish list and it's mine as soon as somebody calls me, or my search comes up with one. Bad news is, it's up to 1800-2400 nowadays. I'll still pull the trigger on it. We might not have the chance to buy something like this in the years to come and the supply isn't getting any better. I'll probably hold out for the 24" because I want to reach out to 600 yards, the 18" might do that, but since it's so short anyways, I'd rather have the extra accuracy. I want to just hold one in my hands so bad I can taste it. It honestly seems like the perfect gun. Almost any other .308 is really heavy, especially when "tacticooled". With all of that weight so close to your body, and the design being so recoil pleasant (comparably), I don't think it would be a bipod only gun (for over ten shots or so), it would be a close quarters, long range, powerful, battle rifle you could run 1000 rounds out of without having to massage your arms with bengay. I love this rifle, but unfortunetly I have never touched one. Waiting waiting waiting.

 

I voted no because I already have a Kel Tec rifle that is a piece of crap. I have a SU16 which has a receiver that doesn't line up with the barrel. So, if I scope it I will have to buy expensive mounts. I sent it back to the factory and their idea of a fix was to tinker with the iron sights so they will barely zero. If other manufacturers can make 150 dollar 22s with the barrel and receiver are aligned, you would think that a rifle that cost $600 could be at least that good.

KEL TEC HAS A REPUTATION FOR BIG IDEAS AND POOR WORKMANSHIP.

 

That stinks, it seems like this is their flagship model, and most people admire the quality of the parts and components (other than some people saying they feel cheap due to all of the plastic). When I hear that, I think lightweight and with the weight so close to you when you hold it, I'm more than willing for the plastic to feel cheap in my hands as I hold a fully loaded 20 shot .308 short rifle that only weighs 11lb. I sure hope I don't regret these kinds of posts, because i'm currently taking out a 401k loan to buy a 24" RFB and a Saiga .308 and a small stock of ammo. Wish me luck.

 

I wouldn't get it, but that's not because it's not a good weapon. I have a friend on facebook that I went to highschool with who has one, and he loves it. I am just not into bullpups or .308 for a semi-auto weapon.

However, it sounds like a total luxury item to you, and so man, it's YOUR money. Spend it how you want. If you are asking "Is it what it looks like?" Then yes, it is. If what it looks like is what you want, then get it. It performs as advertised.

I voted no because I already have a Kel Tec rifle that is a piece of crap. I have a SU16 which has a receiver that doesn't line up with the barrel. So, if I scope it I will have to buy expensive mounts. I sent it back to the factory and their idea of a fix was to tinker with the iron sights so they will barely zero. If other manufacturers can make 150 dollar 22s with the barrel and receiver are aligned, you would think that a rifle that cost $600 could be at least that good.

KEL TEC HAS A REPUTATION FOR BIG IDEAS AND POOR WORKMANSHIP.

The RFB is one of the exceptions with KelTec. I agree with your assessment, but the RFB is "done right".

 

When the videos came out on this thing, I'm sure a lot of us laughed.

Without even considering the multiple malfunctions, if this weapon weapons worked perfectly, it is a joke tactically...so someone is shooting. the brass isn't forcefully ejected, it (usually) tumbles out, assuming you're shooting slighly downwards. If you're firing upwards at windows, you'll get a jam. You advance and the casings fall before your feet in front of you. You fire, manuever, and casings come spilling out. You've fired, maneuvered and are in a static position, perhaps waiting in ambush, and you dip your weapon, and casings fall out and hit rocks. In a static position, you'll have a pile of shiny brass right in front of your position.

Now I'm only an old combat arms green tabber. I'm sure that some of the tactical whiz kids who do the funny courses won't find any of those considerations important because it's cool looking...but that problem with reliability might kick in and cause them a concern.

 

Kel-Tec RFB Issues - YouTube


When the videos came out on this thing, I'm sure a lot of us laughed.

Without even considering the multiple malfunctions, if this weapon weapons worked perfectly, it is a joke tactically...so someone is shooting. the brass isn't forcefully ejected, it (usually) tumbles out, assuming you're shooting slighly downwards. If you're firing upwards at windows, you'll get a jam. You advance and the casings fall before your feet in front of you. You fire, manuever, and casings come spilling out. You've fired, maneuvered and are in a static position, perhaps waiting in ambush, and you dip your weapon, and casings fall out and hit rocks. In a static position, you'll have a pile of shiny brass right in front of your position.

Now I'm only an old combat arms green tabber. I'm sure that some of the tactical whiz kids who do the funny courses won't find any of those considerations important because it's cool looking...but that problem with reliability might kick in and cause them a concern.

I gathered that OP wanted this as a fun-gun. Total non-issues for square-range and plinking. Maybe I mis-understood OP's goals.

Further, I did not know that the ejection sucked that bad. Thanks for the heads up.

 

After 4 years and three failed pursuits I finally snagged one up this year. Spent $1400 on it but would part with it again in a heart beat. With this weapon buy the hype! BEST RIFLE I HAVE EVER HANDLED... PERIOD!

I don't believe that Kel Tec will catch up with the demand for this any where in the near future. If you find one sub 1600 jump on it. I've handled many many different platforms in my day but nothing seems to sort out all the features into one package.

An 8 pound, 27" long with an 18.5" barrel, ambidextrous, common magazine fed forward ejecting, control round fed, semi auto in 7.62X51 NATO, with a good trigger, and it is made in the USA. What is not to love

 

I agree that the jamming is an assumption. The case in the back is being forced out of the rifle, it will push the other rounds out, Do you honestly think somebody designed a gun and didn't take into account gravity? As for a round falling out and striking a rock, Did you just spend brass without the people you are ambushing realizing a .308 just shot? Hmm, sounds like really flawed theories.

 

Like you said above, the worst critics of the gun are folks who have never shot one and just don't like the platform. That's fine. There are a lot of guns out there that I don't care for either. But to invent problems that don't exist, in order to try to talk someone else out of buying one, makes absolutely no sense to me. But that's been an oddly common occurance.

 

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I am still running my RFB through the paces but as of now it is the best and most versatile rifle I have ever handled, PERIOD! This includes everything I have encountered in my LE Career, my Military experience, or as a civilian. The RFB nay Sayers run rampant on the Internet. Usually using hear say they read or YouTube they watch as their experience.

My serial # is T07XX (just so anyone can see what I am basing my experience on). Short, light, soft recoiling, accurate, fast handling, ambidextrous, control round fed, easy to recover brass ( and that brass is always immaculate), common magazine, and semi auto. These are the pros.

The RFB does have some negatives so if you are going to argue at least use some of these tangible faults. 3 of them as I see it.

1. Bullpup layout makes magazine exchanges slightly slower than a standard layout platform, given all other factors being equal.

2. Any corrective action beyond the immediate action drill Tap Rack Assess (or SPORTS for the military guys) requires you to remove the magazine, lock the bolt to the rear and flipping the weapon upside down to view the chamber, and to clear the malfunction you only can access the chamber through the mag well. I haven't had a malfunction yet but if I had a serious one this remedial action could take some time.

3. And this is just my personal belief, the fore end mounting area is too short. In order for me to mount a bipod I have to put it on the extended rail. This rail attaches to the barrel so when I utilize the bipod ( I really torque down on the bipod when shooting supported) in theory this torques the barrel which can shift the point of impact. I have not noticed yet as I have only wrong the rifle out to 150 meters.

But again every weapon platform has it's faults to invent new ones just because you do not approve of a particular platform really drives me nuts.

 

Sorry to run on but I figure my word may not be good enough. So I got sources too. In the book GunDigest Book of the Tactical Rifleby Patrick Sweeney who is a devote hater of bullpups in fact he goes on extensively about such in the book. But even he loves the RFB. Page 80 of the book closing statements on the RFB (to which he dedicated a whole chapter should tell you something) states and I quote.

"If you want a .308 rifle, this (The Kel-Tec RFB) bears consideration. If you want a bullpup this is certainly one to watch. If you have to have both, stop looking. Here it is! emphasis added.

Now if this weapon can even impress a devote anti- bullpup die hard like Sweeney what does that tell you.

 

Man I'm glad you like it. I pulled the trigger on a Socom 2 instead when the price on these hiked on gunbroker. Keep up the useful information. I'm saving back up for this to be my next rifle purchase if it will even be possible in the coming months or years. Let us know about the accuracy and reliability.