[hwing91]

I'm new to purchasing guns, and I don't mean to sound ignorant. Just looking around for what to get. m4A(2 or 3?), or a carbon 15 m 4.

Reason being is, I want to mount an Eotech 552 holo sight to it... I hear that certain carbon - 15 model 4 guns have a raised rail, which can mess with the "feel" of certain added sights.

I have a few friends who actually know their stuff, but for now I'm just starting out. I'm just looking for a solid starter rifle to practice shooting with. Up until now I've only shot light handguns.

Right now i'm looking at this,
http://www.impactguns.com/bushmaster-carbon-15-m4-carbine-16-inch-azc1516m4ft-604206076762.aspx
Because it is a flattop (it doesn't look like a raised rail correct?)

And I am thinking of attaching an Eotech 552 holo sight to it.

You think that's okay? I'm looking for used guns, but i can't find much around these lines. I've emailed users that are selling things for cheaper. But this new gun is 750, and most of the used M4A3's I can find are around 850.

Someone suggested an M4A2 or A3, or A4 because of the flattop.

Any comments? Thanks.

 

[American ME!]

I'm new to purchasing guns, and I don't mean to sound ignorant. Just looking around for what to get. m4A(2 or 3?), or a carbon 15 m 4.

Reason being is, I want to mount an Eotech 552 holo sight to it... I hear that certain carbon - 15 model 4 guns have a raised rail, which can mess with the "feel" of certain added sights.

I have a few friends who actually know their stuff, but for now I'm just starting out. I'm just looking for a solid starter rifle to practice shooting with. Up until now I've only shot light handguns.

Right now i'm looking at this,
http://www.impactguns.com/bushmaster-carbon-15-m4-carbine-16-inch-azc1516m4ft-604206076762.aspx
Because it is a flattop (it doesn't look like a raised rail correct?)

And I am thinking of attaching an Eotech 552 holo sight to it.

You think that's okay? I'm looking for used guns, but i can't find much around these lines. I've emailed users that are selling things for cheaper. But this new gun is 750, and most of the used M4A3's I can find are around 850.

Someone suggested an M4A2 or A3, or A4 because of the flattop.

Any comments? Thanks.

Welcome to the forum! Here's my M4. Re-configured M4 Carbine... Lower receiver by Sendra Arms, Daniel Defense Fire Control Kit, Blackhawk Storm Sling, and Bradley adjustable wirestock

Upper receiver by MI (Midwest Industries), 6 rail picatinny hand rail, 16" 1:9 chrome lined free floating match barrel, YHM (Yankee Hill Machinery) BUIS (back up iron sights), Horus Vision Talon 1000 1x4x24 illuminated tactical optic (not shown), Wolfeye 260 taclight, and FAB Defense Line grip pod.

Take it from there bro. It's called....personal preference.:thumb:

 

[Carne Frio]

Your Eotech will mount fine on an M4 spec flat top.
Any reason you want the carbon over the aluminum ?

 

[hwing91]

No, I think I just picked the carbon because it was cheaper on that site? Is there a better place I could shop at?

I wasn't sure if I were finding aluminum that were cheaper or around the same price, wouldn't a disadvantage of the aluminum be heating up faster, but I understand cooling faster as well?

What are the benefits of Aluminum over Carbon?

Also, just out of curiosity, would an AR-15 20" actually out shoot an M4 16" by a good amount? Or does the barrel length not play too much of a role in it?
Also there would be no real benefit in me purchasing this "sight ready" version other than me not having to do work? I don't understand why it's $60 more expensive? A different suppressor? Any opinions on this, which would you guys think would shoot better with an Eotech 552 holo sight, thanks ^^?

http://www.impactguns.com/bushmaste...carbine-16in-bcwvmf-16m4orc-604206086693.aspx

Thanks for the welcomes , and replies!

 

[boldimagery]

No, I think I just picked the carbon because it was cheaper on that site? Is there a better place I could shop at?

I wasn't sure if I were finding aluminum that were cheaper or around the same price, wouldn't a disadvantage of the aluminum be heating up faster, but I understand cooling faster as well?

What are the benefits of Aluminum over Carbon?

Also, just out of curiosity, would an AR-15 20" actually out shoot an M4 16" by a good amount? Or does the barrel length not play too much of a role in it?
Also there would be no real benefit in me purchasing this "sight ready" version other than me not having to do work? I don't understand why it's $60 more expensive?

http://www.impactguns.com/bushmaste...carbine-16in-bcwvmf-16m4orc-604206086693.aspx

Thanks for the welcomes , and replies!

If its price... don't go with carbon... go with this...

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/800/products_id/411545226

There is a velocity difference in the 20 inch barrel and 16 barrel rifles. It also understood that with a 20 inch barrel there is a longer sight radius on your iron sights which helps with accuracy. However that goes out the window with the eotech on it.

However, you mention this you would like to use this for home defense. Having the shorter barrel will help you turn corners and such easier. For the short range engagement of a house 16 inch will do the job very effectively.

 

[hwing91]

Yes, that is why I want a m4gery .

I'm not too sure on brands since I am new, and I guess as a first time rifle user, I wouldn't be able to tell a huge difference. I'll do research later but is there actually any virtual difference between a Bushmaster and a Stag Arms?

Should I worry about a suppressor?

 

[Stringer6]

the bushmaster looks good, looks like my double star, and the bushmaster is priced about what i paid. The 20 in barrel might be good for little for distance shooting, but if you have to remember the weight for lugging around, and worse in close quarter tacts.

 

[hwing91]

Hmm okay, also, what would benefit me from having an aluminum M4 over a carbon?

I'm also tempted into looking for an A2 suppressor?
Also which bushmaster, would the optic rails not help for an Eotech in the sense that it would be close quarters, or since im using a holo sight, it won't matter?

 

[gobdav]

When choosing a weapon for home defense, one should build the gun around the enviornment. Consider not only your own safety, but your neighbor's as well. AR's are cool and fun to shoot and useful on a lot of land, but may be the wrong choice in a neighborhood. If you fire this thing, what will stop the bullet? Will you be able to hit your target on the first shot, in low light thirty seconds after waking up? How are you going to negotiate tight spaces?

Unless you are just wanting an AR, I would consider letting us know more of your environmental situation and I'm sure someone can give a better idea on what you need for home defense.

 

[Brettboat]

All AR's are more or less built the same. A Delton is on par with a Colt for what it's worth. Get yourself a cheap AR, like a delton, get a flat top or A2 style with a mount and your silly bartledo eotech that will last a week SHTF at best. lol

 

[Sulfur]

How are you going to negotiate tight spaces? .

This is WAY to often over looked! Take the over all lenght "OAL" of the weapon, then add the lenght of the can you want, and measure this off on a long stick. Then try and shoulder that stick and move around your house using door ways etc. as cover. If you got a big open house this may not be a problem, but in small tight spaces you may have one hell of a time shouldering this thing and still keeping some kind of cover.

+1 on getting a can. I can tell you first hand that firearms discharged in the confines of a home are loud as hell and your ears will ring, and it will hurt.

 

[FakeUser84]

If by 'home defense' you mean what I assume, being defense within the home, I'd reconsider.
If you want home defense, get a pistol and practice. long guns take two hands. Which means it is limiting you. You can't open doors, or use a phone to call the police and still maintain proper control over your weapon. Going into any room in your home with a long gun barrel sticking out also can make you vulnerable, someone grabs it and you are now in a hand to hand battle for the weapon and your life. With a pistol one hand can be used to break free and fight while still controling the weapon with the other.

Plus that holo sight relies on batteries. Gonna leave it on all the time? Bad guys don't wait for you to get ready. Pistol is also faster to deploy than any long gun. Look at the situation practically and reconsider.

On a more positive note, that rifle will stop a horde of zombies.

 

[skifast]

Nothing wrong with having a long gun for home defense. I also think having a handgun makes sense, in case someone is on top of you. The downside to a handgun is that they all suck at stopping an attack. Shotguns and rifles are much more deadly.

The Eotech is also a good idea. If possible, have it cowitnessed with your irons. That way, if the battery dies you can still aim. Practice shooting with both the Eotech and irons. Also practice shooting without using your sights. For close up encounters, you don't need sights and probably won't use them anyways, given the stress of the situation.

Also practice moving through your house with the rifle. Practice moving through doors, practice going from midgun to on target.

Last but not least, get an AK not an AR.:

 

[hwing91]

i plan on buying a pistol with my concealed carry license.

Right now, i just want a good rifle that will have range but not do poorly in close quarters. I guess anti zombie apocolaypse wouldn't be a downside.

right now, im curious to as the difference between a carbon ar15 and a regular AR 15? I hear carbon's a bit lighter and durable.

For those two m4's i linked, one with optics ready O.P.C, m4 and a birdcage a2 suppressor, for 60 more,
or the regular carbine 15 m4? Which one do you guys suggest for mounting my holo? Will the suppressor help muzzle flash that much? What would it cost to later get an extended A2 and pay a gunsmith to add it on?

thanks.

 

[michiganmuleguy]

birmingham pistol wholesale has carbon 15's w/red dot & hard case,NIB, $679

 

[hwing91]

I tried looking at the sight and it only has a scoped red dot.

I'm thinking about getting the carbon 15 on impact guns with a flip up rear sight and the fixed iron sight. I hear that the Eotech 552 can co-witness the fixed front sight well without having to buy a separate co-witness.

 

[michiganmuleguy]

Its just my oppinion,but,for room clearing I can see no use for optics. I have a 16" flat top w/irons for that,maybe or maybe not w/ a laser set for 50'.Keep it light and simple.The irons are good for 100yds even with my old failing eyesight, and the package can be carried easily with a tack sling or in a scabbard on the saddle. Buy as much quality rifle as you can and shoot it a lot. If it fails or you or you have to think about useing it when you really need it ,the whole point of haveing it is lost.

 

[CTPATRIOT]

I'd pass on the carbon fiber.Check out M4carbine.net for some good info!As for the EOTechs,check out the newer XPS series.

 

[hwing91]

I'm going to have it co-witnessed with a rear flip up sight and the fixed front sights.

I guess right now im debating aluminum vs carbon. So far I think I'm going to stick with the carbon due to the light weight...
I've tried looking all over the internet and I find no evidence that strongly says carbon fiber is worst material for guns.

I'm buying a used Eotech 552, well, it is new but not in box. It says it only comes with the Eotech 552 unit itself. I'm not sure if this means i'll have to find my own screws to mount it or what. I know I need a certain allen wrench, but does it easily attach to a picatinny rail?

 

[CTPATRIOT]

Do some more research,most will tell you to avoid the carbon fiber,and BM in general.Get a quality MIL-SPEC weapon and don't look back!Like they say "buy once,cry once" .As for the EOTech,go for a lower 1/3 cowhitness mount.